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12 May 14 UTC
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My first publication
Might not be much to you, but its a lot to me.
https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10372098_10153140092046686_8193868368630207145_n.jpg
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
15 May 14 UTC
Name some 'regular' activities you enjoy doing on a daily basis.
I'm going through a lifestyle change (which is going well, by the way) and although I haven't been particularly bored so far, that's probably because I'm still 'recovering' from my old lifestyle. Since I'm sort of coincidentally 'cutting down' on things I enjoy with this change as well, I need some replacement and at the same time I'd love to hear what webdippers do to enjoy themselves.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
16 May 14 UTC
In Case You're Curious...
These are the fires in California right now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYril_YyaQM

Ignore the terrible camera work and the god-awful narration...
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
15 May 14 UTC
Quality Known World 906 Game
Hi all, I am trying to put together a high-quality WTA press game on the above map over on vdip. I want to play against experienced people with a known track record. Please PM me if this is of interest. Thanks.
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
14 May 14 UTC
The games people play......
......24-hour gunboats 111 D buy-in
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14 May 14 UTC
Mental disorder diagnosis thread
Here we ago again
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yebellz (729 D(G))
21 Mar 14 UTC
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2048
Are you playing this game? Anyone hit 2048 yet? I've only gotten to 1024
http://gabrielecirulli.github.io/2048/

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WardenDresden (239 D(B))
14 May 14 UTC
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So I starred this thread and I can't unstar it...
I think this is a major problem. There needs to be a way to unstar threads you decide you don't like anymore without muting them.
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SandgooseXXI (113 D)
09 May 14 UTC
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Oh hey, the lights are back on!
The moment you've all been waiting for, my old buddies! :D
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TheMinisterOfWar (553 D)
14 May 14 UTC
Oldest still active UserID?
So now that abge is our webdip superstar, I noticed his UserID is 4946. I think besides kestas, that's the lowest number I've seen. Who can go lower?
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2fleets (100 D)
14 May 14 UTC
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how do playI ? !?!
aho wm am plai>> i se thing and to dao chatack :))) how?
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yebellz (729 D(G))
12 May 14 UTC
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Testing
Just testing some go boards
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
14 May 14 UTC
Russia Makes Cure for Gay
The gayness is over! Woooo!

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/russian-scientists-discover-cure-to-homosexuality/
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Theodosius (232 D(S))
14 May 14 UTC
The Favorite Author Tournament: The Round of Thirty-Three
Round 2, Thirty-three authors, down from the top one hundred.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
10 Apr 14 UTC
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The Favorite Author Tournament: The Round of 64
So after an, um, interesting first match that became a friendly because 1. Neither Shakespeare nor Vergil should be pitted against top foes in the first round and 2. Stephenie Meyer was an embarrassment and was going to get her butt kicked by Virginia Woolf anyway, we start the Round of 64 in proper here. All the matches will be posted in here, we'll move on every 24 hours, assuming my computer doesn't die (anyone know how to fix "'Documents.library-ms' is no longer working?) Anyway!
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2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
03 May 14 UTC
Moving on to the next round I guess?
Fishstudios (245 D)
03 May 14 UTC
Obviously Poe. The Raven has got to be in the top ten best English language poems ever written, and his prose is great as well.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
03 May 14 UTC
Poe: 6
Ruherfurd: 0

Looking like we may just have our first shutout on our hands...

And much as I like it...nah...wouldn't say "The Raven" is a Top 10 English language poem. Not that it isn't great, it just has incredibly-stiff competition:

She Walks in Beauty...
The Tyger...
Ode on a Grecian Urn...
The Lady of Shalott...
Ulysses...
The Waste Land...
The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock...
Howl or Song of Myself (for America sans T.S. Eliot)...

That's not even getting to our good friend Shakespeare and his sonnets...

18, 30, 116, 130 and 138, for a start, could all contend for that honor...

And all of that's leaving out longer poems, like Rime of the Ancient Mariner, Paradise Lost and Chaucer's works.

A Top 20 English-language poem?
I think you could make the case for that.
A Top 10 in America?
Absolutely, likely Top 5 at least.

Top 10 all-time in the English language?

No fault of Poe's but I don't think so.
WardenDresden (239 D(B))
03 May 14 UTC
Poe. No question.

In the area of long-form/epic English poems, though, I'd suggest you look at the works of William Morris. The Volsung saga is based on an Icelandic translation, but many scenes and themes were complete inventions of Morris. And his "Life and Death of Jason" I wouldn't rank him as an absolute best, but it's absolutely worth looking at.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
03 May 14 UTC
lol obi why the fuck do you hate american authors so much


lots of them are good and world class, just get on with it and agree
Thucydides (864 D(B))
03 May 14 UTC
oh and also,

thoreau
Fishstudios (245 D)
03 May 14 UTC
Obiwanobiwan, I definitely think The Raven deserves to be in the top ten at least, if not the top five. I'm partial to narrative poetry, and would definitely rate The Raven before several of the poems that you mentioned.

Also note that I'm not including epics and verse dramas in my list, because it's really hard to compare, say, Don Juan to Fire and Ice. They're just way too different.
Theodosius (232 D(S))
03 May 14 UTC
Poe.

William Morris's translation of Beowulf was impressive, too.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
04 May 14 UTC
I don't hate American authors at all, Thucy--

One of my Top 6 was born in America (though I'd still count T.S. Eliot as English), and besides him:

I like Fitzgerald quite a bit...
Hemingway I like as well, though not nearly as much as some do...
Steinbeck is fantastic, and both "The Grapes of Wrath" and "Of Mice and Men" are absolute masterpieces, the former ESPECIALLY being on par with so many of the great British novels, so as we teach theirs, I hope they find the time to teach "The Grapes of Wrath" every once in a while, it deserves it...
Twain, Kurt Vonnegut, Emily Dickinson has some good poetry, ditto Walt Whitman--

It's just that, as I said, the British roster is older, and so FAR deeper.

It has a ridiculous wealth of riches author-wise--

Chaucer, Marlowe, Shakespeare, Milton, Swift, Blake, Austen, the Brontes, Byron, Keats, the Shelleys, Dickens, George Eliot, Hardy, Wilde, Shaw, Woolf, Lawrence, Yeats, Joyce, T.S. Eliot, Forster, Orwell, Beckett, and on and on and on...

I could go back and fill in more for each era (except Chaucer's, though that's just due to how long ago it was, the identity of the Pearl Poet being lost to us...and I could include others, but they wouldn't be on Chaucer's level) or I could go forward in time and give the Evelyn Waughs and Zadie Smiths and Pat Barkers attention.

I lumped in some Irish writers, as college courses here do, but even if you wanted to consider them their own entity, you STILL have a ton of top-shelf authors.

Maybe even more impressively--you can dislike or even HATE a good amount of those A-list British authors (I'm looking at YOU, Charlotte Bronte...and to a lesser extent Emily and Anne Bronte...you're hit and miss, George Eliot...so it's a good thing I have made my peace with Austen, gossipy passages aside, and have Woolf in my Top 6 Favorites, or I'd get the reputation of hating great British female writers, lol) and you're STILL left with so many great authors that you can accurately say that you really love British literature on the whole, the roster is THAT deep.

The plain truth is the American roster isn't yet.

You have Poe and a few others before you get to Twain, if you don't like Twain, you have to wait for either Henry James (and given his shuttling across the Atlantic, and the fact his books are so often about English and American societies interacting, I don't know how quintessentially "American" he really is) or, more likely, the 20th century to enjoy good literature--

And while the American 20th century lineup is fantastic, one of the better century lineups for national literature out there, and you could maybe even make the argument that it rivals the British output that century (I'd give a slight edge to the British in the first half of the century, and then to us in the second half, but it's great all-around, it's a huge reason why, after Shakespeare, the Modernist period's my favorite in all of literature) you're still more limited.

Don't like Hemingway, Fitzgerald or Steinbeck?
You've already lost a huge chunk of the first 40% or so of the century for us.
Don't like The Great Gatsby, The Grapes of Wrath, The Catcher in the Rye or To Kill a Mockingbird?
Those are the four "Great American Novel" candidates from that century, so you're left without an all-star.
Don't like T.S. Eliot, Allen Ginsberg, Sylvia Plath and their styles of poetry?
Aside from Robert Frost, there goes the century for white poets.
Speaking of, African-American literature is VERY rich and the lineup's impressive...
But if you don't like it...well, I'd ask WHY you somehow don't like their literature, but that aside, if for whatever reason it's not your thing, you've lost a lot again.

That's the great thing about British Lit--in almost any post-Shakespeare time period, and especially once you get past Austen, the depth is incredible. You have a ton of options. It's extremely deep and versatile, almost to the point of resiliency...you can keep ripping out author after author from your bookshelf if you're really that infuriated with Shakespeare or Austen or whomever, and you're still left with very few holes chronologically, because as soon as you throw a hallowed Brit Lit book or three away, four more pop up in their place that are just as deserving.

I hope someday they say that about American Lit. I WANT them to say that.

But we're simply not there yet. Pre-1910 or so it's very porous, with only a few all-stars, and if you dislike one or more of them you diminish the literary prestige of America in that time period by a lot, because so much rides on those few shining authors...and then even once you get to the 20th century, well, you can't beat Brit Lit still, because they had a thousand or so year head-start (and 1000 years is probably the wrong amount to pick, but it sounded nice, and if you want an exact date you're screwed, lol) so the tradition's a lot stronger.

One of my favorite essays is "Tradition and the Individual Talent" by good old T.S. "I Read Everything Ever and Shall Now Foist My Snobbery Onto You" Eliot. :)

Maybe we'll catch up, I hope so, but for now, it's like being a Mets fan--

I root for the team with far less success and prestige, sure, but there's no getting around the fact that the Yankees' 27 World Series bests my Mets' 2.

Those two are great, and I'd argue the Miracle Mets of '69 and 1986 Mets (sorry, bo_sox) are far more memorable than a host of Yankees teams...the same way Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Twain and Steinbeck all make our presence felt and can dwarf some of the British authors (I like Forster, but I'd take all four of these guys over him, and over the Brontes as well)...

But it's still 27 to 2.

So, what I'm trying to say, Thucy, is that the British are those Damn Yankees. ;)
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
04 May 14 UTC
And for those who don't care to read the Obi Rant, I post this separately... :)

Edward Rutherfurd becomes the victim of the first shutout of the tournament (thus securing 64th place, I guess?) as Poe leaves him deader than Fortunato and Annabel Lee combined, 8-0.

(And I REALLY love Annabel Lee and The Cask of Amontillado.) :)

Today...I don't think we'll be seeing a shutout...

In this corner, Irish-born and writing in France, master of the Absurd...
Samuel Beckett!
In this corner, French-born, writing in Paris, master of the Brick-Thick Novel...
Victor Hugo!

As much as I like Beckett, Hugo means a lot to France, and Les Mis is amazing...

When it's not being adapted into a film killed by the crowing of Russel Crowe (he looks the part, yes, but why oh why did no one think to dub him...I know the idea was to sing live--that was hit and miss--but COME ON, who heard what he sounded like and thought "Yeah, that'll fit for our grandiose operatic epic?")

So:

Hugo: 1
Beckett: 0
mendax (321 D)
04 May 14 UTC
Hugo.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
04 May 14 UTC
Limey pawn
kasimax (243 D)
04 May 14 UTC
beckett, beckett, beckett!

i haven't read a single dialogue as much to the point as:

estragon: let's go.
vladimir: we can't.
estragon: why not?
vladimir: we're waiting for Godot.
estragon: ah!

his influence on any type of modern theater is undeniable, along with jarry, brecht, artaud and ionesco.
kasimax (243 D)
04 May 14 UTC
just look at this monologue, even obi can't rival that!

"Lucky: Given the existence as uttered forth in the public works of Puncher and Wattmann of a personal God quaquaquaqua with white beard quaquaquaqua outside time without extension who from the heights of divine apathia divine athambia divine aphasia loves us dearly with some exceptions for reasons unknown but time will tell and suffers like the divine Miranda with those who for reasons unknown but time will tell are plunged in torment plunged in fire whose fire flames if that continues and who can doubt it will fire the firmament that is to say blast heaven to hell so blue still and calm so calm with a calm which even though intermittent is better than nothing but not so fast and considering what is more that as a result of the labours left unfinished crowned by the Acacacacademy of Anthropopopometry of Essy-in-Possy of Testew and Cunard it is established beyond all doubt all other doubt than that which clings to the labours of men that as a result of the labours unfinished of Testew and Cunard it is established as hereinafter but not so fast for reasons unknown that as a result of the public works of Puncher and Wattmann it is established beyond all doubt that in view of the labours of Fartov and Belcher left unfinished for reasons unknown of Testew and Cunard left unfinished it is established what many deny that man in Possy of Testew and Cunard that man in Essy that man in short that man in brief in spite of the strides of alimentation and defecation is seen to waste and pine waste and pine and concurrently simultaneously what is more for reasons unknown in spite of the strides of physical culture the practice of sports such as tennis football running cycling swimming flying floating riding gliding conating camogie skating tennis of all kinds dying flying sports of all sorts autumn summer winter winter tennis of all kinds hockey of all sorts penicilline and succedanea in a word I resume and concurrently simultaneously for reasons unknown to shrink and dwindle in spite of the tennis I resume flying gliding golf over nine and eighteen holes tennis of all sorts in a word for reasons unknown in Feckham Peckham Fulham Clapham namely concurrently simultaneously what is more for reasons unknown but time will tell to shrink and dwindle I resume Fulham Clapham in a word the dead loss per caput since the death of Bishop Berkeley being to the tune of one inch four ounce per caput approximately by and large more or less to the nearest decimal good measure round figures stark naked in the stockinged feet in Connemara in a word for reasons unknown no matter what matter the facts are there and considering what is more much more grave that in the light of the labours lost of Steinweg and Peterman it appears what is more much more grave that in the light the light the light of the labours lost of Steinweg and Peterman that in the plains in the mountains by the seas by the rivers running water running fire the air is the same and than the earth namely the air and then the earth in the great cold the great dark the air and the earth abode of stones in the great cold alas alas in the year of their Lord six hundred and something the air the earth the sea the earth abode of stones in the great deeps the great cold an sea on land and in the air I resume for reasons unknown in spite of the tennis the facts are there but time will tell I resume alas alas on on in short in fine on on abode of stones who can doubt it I resume but not so fast I resume the skull to shrink and waste and concurrently simultaneously what is more for reasons unknown in spite of the tennis on on the beard the flames the tears the stones so blue so calm alas alas on on the skull the skull the skull the skull in Connemara in spite of the tennis the labours abandoned left unfinished graver still abode of stones in a word I resume alas alas abandoned unfinished the skull the skull in Connemara in spite of the tennis the skull alas the stones Cunard (mêlée, final vociferations) tennis... the stones... so calm... Cunard... unfinished..."
Mr. Green (335 D)
04 May 14 UTC
Beckett all the way
Theodosius (232 D(S))
04 May 14 UTC
Hugo.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
04 May 14 UTC
Hugo: 2
Beckett: 2

And don't tempt me to try, kasimax! ;)

Though I love Lucky's monologue...while I voted for Hugo due to...well, his being Hugo, and the fact I love Les Miserables, I really do like Beckett as well, and "Waiting for Godot" has always been one of my primary examples (the other of course being Shakespeare) when I tell tutoring clients that they need to SEE plays rather than just read them.

Read that monologue, and it looks like an Obi Rant...if Obi was known for using too little punctuation instead, of...too...many...commas...(parentheses)...and EXCLAMATION POINTS AT THE END OF CAPS! :p

See that monologue performed, and it's arguably one of if not the definitive 20th century moment in Anglo-American theatre.

And given that that set include Arthur Miller, Tennessee Williams, George Bernard Shaw, Thornton Wilder and Tom Stoppard, that's pretty damn impressive.

If I were to play devil's advocate, I think either "STELLA!" or the ending of "A Streetcar Named Desire" ("I've always depended on the kindness of strangers," as she gets taken away to an asylum...Blanche DuBois, a fantastic character, even if I like Maggie and "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof" more) or to go earlier in the decade, a whole host of "Pygmalion" scenes could vie for that title--the opening, her pronouncing things correctly, and especially her entering the ballroom.

But all in all, Lucky might well have them beat.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
04 May 14 UTC
*
Hugo: 3
Beckett: 2
WardenDresden (239 D(B))
04 May 14 UTC
Also going to toss my vote at Beckett.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
04 May 14 UTC
Hugo: 3
Beckett: 3
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
05 May 14 UTC
Vic for sure...
semck83 (229 D(B))
05 May 14 UTC
Hugo.
semck83 (229 D(B))
05 May 14 UTC

Hugo: 5
Beckett: 3
Thucydides (864 D(B))
05 May 14 UTC
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hugo: 5
beckett: 3
laozi: 道
ghug (5068 D(B))
05 May 14 UTC
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#fuckthucy
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
05 May 14 UTC
So Victor Hugo lives to fight at the barricade another day, bringing about Beckett's Endgame in a 5-3 win. :)

Today...we stick with theatre and...shock of shocks...a Sci Fi writer!

And while I've never heard of her, a quick Wikipedia search has filled me with...um...whatever sense of hilarity or schadenfreude you get when reading through krellin's rants. Or maybe I'm just a sadist like that. :p

In this corner, trying to avenge the Absurdist cause, Eugène Ionesco.

In the other, a woman whose name I reading as "Katniss" for some reason, Karen Traviss.

And before the vote, we need to share a little quote from Ms. Traviss...

From good old Wikipedia:

"Those who supported her views, she called the "fandalorians" while any that questioned her, were termed "talifans." She went so far as to note that people that were fans of the Jedi, were no different than Nazi sympathizers. Saying quote "It's slave-owner-think: it's Nazi-think. And yes, I bloody well hate it, and all those who think it. It's not about Jedi - who don't even exist. It's about you. " Shortly after these statements were made by her, Traviss first denied ever making the statements, then deleted the entirety of her Author's blog, before cutting all ties with the Star Wars universe, leaving many to question why."

WHY INDEED...HM...THE FORCE (and butthurt?) IS STRONG WITH THIS ONE!

Anyway, unsurprisingly:

Ionesco: 1
Traviss: 0
kasimax (243 D)
05 May 14 UTC
at least one of the absurdists has to make it through round one. you can't be so damn naturalistic, webdip.

ionesco: 2
traviss: 0
Theodosius (232 D(S))
05 May 14 UTC
Eugène Ionesco. I've actually read some of his work, a long, long time ago. And because of his last name.

Traviss looks like she crossed that thin line between reality and fiction.
2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
05 May 14 UTC
Good point Thucy. I mean Theo. Damn it.
ghug (5068 D(B))
05 May 14 UTC
I'm gonna vote Traviss because I want to be reminded she exists.

Who even picked her?

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mdrltc (1818 D(G))
09 May 14 UTC
In which we compete for best new puns...........
I'll never strike my colors, said the tanner. I'd rather dye!
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Mapu (362 D)
08 May 14 UTC
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Who are the craziest people on webdip?
Let's compile a list of players who are angry, crazy, or otherwise far-reaching in their psychopathology. This will serve as a helpful reference for newer members.
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
13 May 14 UTC
Hiring Kissinger
a.p. below

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Lhikevikk (124 D)
13 May 14 UTC
Fleet at Poland retreat to Ukraine?
gameID=138998

Okay, how on earth did Quebec's fleet at Poland manage to retreat to Ukraine despite not sharing a coastal border? Is this a bug or an obscure quirk of the World map? The variant homepage says nothing about any Pol-Ukr canal.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
10 May 14 UTC
...
http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/05/roy_moores_twisted_hisotry_isl.html

............
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
10 May 14 UTC
The most racist forum member.......
.......this might be interesting, OUT the racist scumbags !!
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dirge (768 D(B))
10 May 14 UTC
reliability
So, does moves received versus not received have any impact on the reliability percentage? It does not appear to.
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12 May 14 UTC
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Things I would do for a +1
I'd threaten to leave the site, then come back 2 hours later and say this is the final warning for the mods
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cardag (100 D)
12 May 14 UTC
Boots N Pants N Boots N Pants: No in-game messaging
Can someone Check this game. It seems that there are players working together. When they shouldn't.
Thanks.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
12 May 14 UTC
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As With Crimea, So Too with Eastern Ukraine...
http://news.yahoo.com/rebels-declare-victory-east-ukraine-vote-self-rule-012033097.html "Organizers in the main region holding the makeshift vote on Sunday said nearly 90 percent had voted in favor." Yes...because when I think "legitimate democratic proceedings," the first thing *I* think of is a "makeshift vote"...and nearly 90% in favor, on such a divisive issue? You couldn't get 90% of people to agree what color the sky is! Will the West act NOW? (No. But let's chat, shall we?)
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rs2excelsior (600 D)
11 May 14 UTC
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Ancient Med in Latin?
So, inspired by the currently-running "Languages" game, I thought it would be fun to do an Ancient Med game in Latin.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
12 May 14 UTC
Boko Haram Declares War on Abraham Lincoln
...Seems the lack of western education has in fact not hurt them one bit.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/06/boko-haram-video_n_5273563.html?utm_hp_ref=tw
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Pete U (293 D)
11 May 14 UTC
Time for a holiday
I'm taking a break from webDip. I will return at some point I'm sure

Have fun
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SYnapse (0 DX)
11 May 14 UTC
The quiet train to depression-ville
So I've been watching liveleak videos featuring violence and death and then went onto Omegle to talk about it and kept getting "16m u?" and now I'm depressed. Sam Cooke tells me it's been a long time coming but a change is gonna come? I am skeptical.
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thibaud1 (176 D)
11 May 14 UTC
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Statistics
I've been thinking of modifications to the ghostrating system, is there anywhere with a vast amount of diplomacy game data I can mine to test out the modifications? It doen't need to be from this site but I would prefer if it had data on individual turns and not just win/lose/draw/survive.
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