I think you meant "versus" not "verse"

They also had Neil Smith and Derrick Thomas in the Pro Bowl, with Neil Smith being the only first team All-Pro on the roster. And Nick Lowery, who was a fantastic kicker. Plus, Dave Krieg won 3 of their 11 wins that year, meaning that Montana might not have been as important a piece of the puzzle as you're making him out to be.

"As I said, he doesn't need one iconic moment since he played well every game. All his moments are golden, he doesn't need just one."

Easy way out when you can't give me a truly memorable moment...

Montana was just about always golden as well, and somehow, we remember HIS big moments...The Catch...the 80+ YD Drive and pass the John Taylor with 33 seconds left to win SB XXIII...5 TDs in SB XXIV, showing up the OTHER contender for best QB ever, John Elway (again, Montana faced better QBs--Elway, Marino, Kenny Anderson, Boomer Esiason...Brady faced Kurt Warner...but then Jake Delhomme and Donovan McNabb? And he LOST to a future HOFer, Eli, so, in terms of face-to-face matchups, Montana's the QB King...in terms of winning on the road, king...not getting intercepted--that wasn't gronk's fault, it was a pass that ran out of steam, bad throw, and what's more, Brady's been intercepted OTHER times in the SB, he's still not Montana-clutch-accurate, 11 TDs/0INTs/128 QB rating.)

"300 TDs and a 96 pass rating, I would rather those. On top of that Montana has 139 interceptions to Brady's 115. Again Brady has better stats."

Brady's also passed more, and has played in an all-pass era.
Also--again, 4-and-0 in SBs is the best stat you cna have...I'm sure Brady would trade those lovely 20+ extra regular season TDs he has more than Montana for 4-and-0...

After all, we're talking about winning when it MATTERED.

Dan Marino, Brett Favre, and Peyton are the best statistical QBs of all time in the regular season, putting up huge numbers:

SB record between them: 2-and-3.

It's the SB that matters.

Give as many stats that you want...

19 consecutive playoff road wins...Montana refused to lose on the road when it mattered (again, next closest--Eli with 10, so he has to go AT LEAST 3 seasons STRAIGHT winning all his games on the ROAD to have a SHOT at topping Montana.)

11 TDs, 0 INTs, 3 SB MVPS, 128 QB rating, and 4-and-0 in the SB.

When it comes to crunch-time, Montana (and Elway) are King...

And with 4-and-0 as his record, Elway's a strong #2, and Brady #3, but Montana is STILL #1.

Montana was in an era where there was less passing, true, but he also always had a reliable running game. I mean, Roger Craig beats the snot out of any RB Brady has ever had. When the Patriots come to town, you know the main threat is Brady.

As someone who was alive during Montana's heyday, Steve Young was a better QB.

" 4-and-0"
I would rather 4-1 (which granted Brady doesn't have) cause at least you got to the superbowl again.

"After all, we're talking about winning when it MATTERED."
You forget that you have to win elsewhere to get there, Brady does that, Montana, not so much.

"Dan Marino, Brett Favre, and Peyton are the best statistical QBs of all time in the regular season, putting up huge numbers:"
Marino: 86.4
Favre: 86.0
Peyton: 94.9
Brady: 96.4
try again

"19 consecutive playoff road wins...Montana refused to lose on the road when it mattered (again, next closest--Eli with 10, so he has to go AT LEAST 3 seasons STRAIGHT winning all his games on the ROAD to have a SHOT at topping Montana.)"
Also Obi, where did you get that 19 number from? I just googled it:
Here is his playoff record:
(home game) 49ers 38, Giants 24
(home game) 49ers 28, Cowboys 27
(road game/superbowl) 49ers 26, Bengals 21
(home game) 49ers 24, Lions 23
(road game) 49ers 21, Redskins 24

Just to cap so far:
Home record: 3-0
Road record: 1-1

(home game) 49ers 21, Giants 10
(home game) 49ers 23, Bears 0
(road game/superbowl) 49ers 38, Dolphins 16
(road game) 49ers 3, Giants 17
(road game) 49ers 3, Giants 49
So again recap:
Home record: 5-0
Road record: 2-3

(home game) 49ers 24, Vikings 36
(home game) 49ers 34, Vikings 9
(road game) 49ers 28, Bears 3
(road game/superbowl) 49ers 20, Bengals 16
(home game) 49ers 41, Vikings 13
(home game) 49ers 30, Rams 3
(road game/superbowl) 49ers 55, Broncos 10
Current record:
Home: 8-1
Road: 5-3

(home game) 49ers 28, Redskins 10
(home game) Giants 15 49ers 13
(home game) 49ers 20, Redskins 13
(home game) Cowboys 30, 49ers 20
and so ends his career with the 49ers his final record:
Home: 10-3
Road: 5-3

So far he has only won 15 play off games, yet along 19 straight... Hes won 3 straight on the road now, so lets see if his final 16 wins are during his time in Kansas:
(home game) Chiefs 27, Steelers 24
(road game) Chiefs 28, Oilers 20
(road game) Bills 30, Chiefs 13
And so ends his win streak at a lone 5 games.
(road game) Dolphins 27, Chiefs 17

His final stats:
Home: 11-3
Road: 7-5

So not only did he not win 19 straight, he never won 19 games...

All I have to say is that if Gronkowski hadn't been injured, it would have been a completely different game. As it is, I move we should ban the Giants from ever playing again.

Lets not forget to count the punters of each team, they matter too!......somehow.

But in all seriousness, It is almost impossible to compare these two great quaterbacks. They played in two different eras.
Montana played in a more defensive league with less rules protecting the quaterback and more vicious hits.
Brady plays in a more offensive and quaterback friendly league with more rules protecting recievers and quaterbacks from vicious hits such as "driving the Qb into the ground" How many times have you seen Brady literally stand in the pocket and decide which reciever is more wide open
Montana is the better Qb based on his stats when he played

"All I have to say is that if Gronkowski hadn't been injured, it would have been a completely different game. As it is, I move we should ban the Giants from ever playing again."

And if the Giants hadn't been hurt most of the year, they would have had a better record. Blah, blah, blah excuses.

Frankly, I put Warren Moon above Joe Montana. Played with little to no talent, had a cannon and could run. Better than the dink and duck hacks like Montana & Brady.

*dunk

I love how Obi abbandoned this thread...

I mean, I despise Brady, being a fan of a different AFC East team, and doubly so living in Ann Arbor when I'm a fan of a different Big Ten team. But. I like to have sports comparisons have some footing in truth, and wow. He eventually had to cut and run, he had too many things that he had completely misstated to address.

which team?

Woo NYGiants!

I'm a Bills fan. And Lions.

Bills are cool, they're the only team I have seen live...

They can't be, unless you watched a practice.

He likely watched the Dolphins as well.

"They can't be, unless you watched a practice."
"He likely watched the Dolphins as well"
Actually it was the Jets in 2009, but yeah. lol

just for interest about the record for consecutive road play off wins. In case anyone is interested the current record holder is none other then Eli Manning who took the title after defeating the 49ers @ Candle Stick Park a few weeks ago.