All im saying is that even if you think its wrong, even if the bible says its wrong, doesn't mean you have the right to restrict other peoples right to commit wrong things.

@ILN: That is why we have civil leaders, to keep morality.

Funny how you choose to affiliate yourself with a religion of love and forgiveness, yet spew out hate, no wonder Christians have such a bad image nowadays, its because of you Protestants and Catholics.

@2ndWL: I am not filled with hate. All I am saying is that it is morally wrong. It looks like you're the one filled with hate.

@ILN: Yea, because the Orthodox church(es), with their Anti-Catholic propaganda, aren't creating more turmoil within Christianity.

We don't need civil leaders to "keep morality" lol

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. "
is in the old testament....

*church

Its funny how conservatives like sbyvl will argue for days about personal responsibility and removing regulation, but when it comes to sexuality, we should look to elected officials for "moral guidance" and remove personal preference from the matter entirely.

Im sorry, but tell me again who committed the crusades, who gave out indulgences, who is involved in sex scandals and who led to the rise of so many new churches. answer me that.

lol 2ndwhiteline is right on that.

@Socrates: yes it is. That punishment was done away with by the Church. Now we just let them they are in error, and will end up in Hell if they don't repent

@ILN:

Patriarchy of Constantinople
Finnish Orthodox Church
Estonian Apostolic Orthodox Church
Patriarchal Exarchate for Orthodox Parishes of Russian Tradition in Western Europe
Ukrainian Orthodox Church of Canada
Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the USA
Korean Orthodox Church
Patriarchy of Alexandria
Patriarchy of Antioch
Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America
Patriarchy of Jerusalem
Saint Catherine's Monastery, Mount Sinai
Patriarchy of Moscow and all Russia
Estonian Orthodox Church of Moscow Patriarchate
Latvian Orthodox Church
Moldovan Orthodox Church
Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate)
Japanese Orthodox Church
Chinese Orthodox Church
Orthodox Church in America
Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia
Patriarchy of Peć and the Serbian Lands
Orthodox Ohrid Archbishopric
Patriarchy of Romania
Metropolis of Bessarabia
Patriarchy of Bulgaria
Patriarchy of Georgia
Cypriot Orthodox Church
Orthodox Church of Greece
Polish Orthodox Church
Albanian Orthodox Church
Czech and Slovak Orthodox Church
Orthodox Church in America
Greek Old Calendarists Matthewites
Greek Old Calendarists Florinites
Smyrnaean Orthodox Church
Holy Orthodox Church in North America
Orthodox Church of Greece (Holy Synod in Resistance)
Old Calendar Romanian Orthodox Church
Old Calendar Bulgarian Orthodox Church
Churches of the Old Believers movement:
Russian Orthodox Old-Rite Church
Lipovan Orthodox Old-Rite Church
Russian Old-Orthodox Church
Pomorian Old-Orthodox Church
Abkhazian Orthodox Church
Belarusian Autocephalous Orthodox Church
Bulgarian Orthodox Church - Alternative synod
Croatian Orthodox Church
Macedonian Orthodox Church – Ohrid Archbishopric
Montenegrin Orthodox Church
Orthodox Church of France
Orthodox Church in Italy
Russian Orthodox Church in America
Russian True Orthodox Church
Autocephalous Turkish Orthodox Patriarchate
Ukrainian Orthodox Church - Kiev Patriarchate
Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church
Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church - Canonical
Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church of N.S.America 1921-Synod
Armenian Apostolic Church
Armenian Patriarch of Constantinople
Armenian Patriarchate of Jerusalem
Catholicossate of the Great House of Cilicia
Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria
British Orthodox Church
French Coptic Orthodox Church
Syriac Orthodox Church of Antioch
Malankara Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church
Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church
Brahmavar (Goan) Orthodox Church
Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church
Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church
Oriental Orthodox Church (not in communion)
Malabar Independent Syrian Church of India

Not to mention the Catholic Church is hardly an example of modern morality. You made a saint of a man who turned a blind eye to child abuse within the church, but he is held up as the pinnacle of your religion?

@ILN:
"Im sorry, but tell me again who committed the crusades, who gave out indulgences, who is involved in sex scandals and who led to the rise of so many new churches. answer me that."

The Crusades were in response to constant jihad by the Muslims. Except the fourth one, which we all detest.

Matthew 16:16-19 gives us the right to give out indulgences.

It isn't our fault that Martin Luther, while on his toilet (look it up), decided to bring 9 million people out of the church. However, we compensated for that by getting 11 million converts in the Americas during the same period.

lol, calm down, could have given me the link from where you copy pasted that from instead, and those are just administrative regions lmao, your confusing the church with administrative regions lmao.

@2WL: That is an ignorant response. The Pope is not in charge of dealing with priests, the Curia and the Bishop's conference of that particular country are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Orthodox_churches

It didn't keep the bullets with the subdivisions in tact.

Give me a break. That's equivalent to the President not being in charge of dealing with governors. He sets the precedents for the entire faith, and to not speak on the biggest scandal in church history is no example of morality.

So sbyvl, why do you want to deregulate businesses but regulate the bedroom?

@2WL: Coming from an atheist with no understanding of the church.

@ILN: Out of curiosity, do your churches have a Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, or are all decisions made by the Patriarchs?

funny how on that link you gave me, it wrote : "Eastern Orthodox Churches (in full communion)"

Full communion description: "full communion exists only between Christians who form a single church"

lol get owned

You cannot possibly say, with all the national churches that you have, that there is really a single Orthodox church.

I do have an understanding, and that's why I'm atheist. Stop dodging the question.

Why do you want to deregulate business but regulate the bedroom?

because hes a power hungry lunatic

referring to:
"Give me a break. That's equivalent to the President not being in charge of dealing with governors. He sets the precedents for the entire faith, and to not speak on the biggest scandal in church history is no example of morality."

You don't understand Church Hierarchy at all, do you?

he thinks hes such a gangsta ass nigga
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IJCFc_qkHw

So does that imply that priests have no authority to which they answer? God certainly isn't handing down any anti-molestation edicts.

I guess since "don't molest young boys" isn't in the Ten Commandments, its fair game?

That would fall under homosexuality. Besides, most of the problem has been dealt with. These atrocities happened in the 70's and 80's, and are, for the most part, done with now.