Fair comment :)

though if a tournament was to happen would you play for web diplomacy or V web diplomacy halt??

I've already volunteered to play for VDip. Mostly because I don't think it would be fair for me to qualify playing for webdip (being only in the top 15 percent, or 1500+/8000 players). While in VDip, I'm in the HoF "top 100" apparently. Still haven't figured out how the system reached that conclusion...

Fair enough buddy. I enjoying the challenge of the 2 varient games i am in but i think i will always prefer this site.

Danny - seeing that I said that comment, you misread it.

"If it get scaled too big, it won't be competitive - simply because of the size of the top tier of players on WebDip. I would say the top 400 all-time on WebDip are comparable to the top 40 here." is what you said and maybe i misread it and hope i did but it appeared to my eyes that the claim was made

just went to this website

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this is a load of crap. the eu cookie law does not apply when cookies that are just used in order for a site to function. so they are kind of violating the law already by claiming they are only using it for the proper functioning of the site yet still demanding consent.

and what is up with that forum? it is filled with discussions about the game diplomacy. what a waste.

Hey Gold finger i think maybe you have missed your calling as a politician. Thinking your head was above the parapet the new post on vweb is interesting nice political dont offend anyone answer lol :)

I think what he meant by his comment was pointed at the larger population of webdip. That is to say, while VDip might be able to gather 40 top players, the number of players who have the same or greater skill on webdip would be 400.

Therefore, if you brought in larger numbers, vdip would have a harder time fielding players of equal caliber, resulting in less participants from our side, and thus, more chances for webdip wins.

Although goldfinger could have phrased it better since its a bit misleading and had me confused for a few minutes trying to figure out what he meant.

Oh ok if thats the case then you have my gratitude Halt and my apologies Goldfinger for misunderstanding you.

It seems to me that you are misinterpreting Goldfinger's quote on purpose.

Considering "top level players", 400 can be found in this site rankings while about a tenth plays / played there. That's what I read...

whoops, already answered..

Does vDip have a rating system?

yep, they have a brand new one, go to their hall of fame page. No idea how to access it besides from there.

Yeah, I saw that, but what do those points mean? Are they just Dip points or a real rating system?

They aren't game points, but I don't know how they are calculated either.

huh

Well I know gantz is a pretty decent player, so we can use that as a basis of comparison.

The biggest difference is that here, everyone knows one, maybe two maps. Classic and then another. They're experts on classic. On Vdip, we play a lot of new and different maps... I think in classic WebDip would win, but vDip would win the variants.

RE: The VDip HOF rating system

That rating system was create by Oli (the owner and developer of WebDip). It's based on the Elo system, but uses an interesting heuristic to generalize it to n-player Diplomacy games (where n > 2).

There is a long forum discussion on VDip regarding the design of that system. He asked for input from the community and many people contributed to the discussion. More details can be found in that thread, the VDip wiki, and the code available on Github.

Is there a simple non mathy explanation on what it gives weight too?

You can click any player's name on that HoF screen to see how each game they played affects their score.

The players over there are better and take the game more seriously. The top 40 over there is miles ahead of the top 40 here and they don't have the same annoying egos.

So why do you play here? Just for the live games?

My opinion is that the classic map is the best far and away. I like playing classic map games more than variants and there are real no classic games over there. At least not many. There is also a larger player base here. I often cannot get games started on vdip.

judging on the number of people currently in games, the webdip site is only, at present, 3.6 times as large as vdip. So webdip isn't as large, compared to vdip, as people think.

Of course that 3.6 number is excluded the live on players from the count, a nonexistent profession over at vdip.

The non-mathy explanation is that it takes into account the ratings of the opponents that you beat, similar to GR (although I'm not certain how that works).

The highest ranked player who appears on both lists is Gantz.

Gantz is #17 in the current webdip ranking (GR), and #5 in the current vdip ranking (HOF). So that would suggest the top 4 players at vdip are like the top 16 here.

Which isn't that surprising, this site has approx 4 times as many players, so the # of elite players on this site should outnumber the # of elite players on vdip by about the same margin.

that's probably a pretty good comparison Fasces, a question about your ranking system though. Do people fall off the list after a given amount of time? And were you checking the all time GhostRating or the Monthly one?