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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
15 Dec 11 UTC
The best diplomacy messages
I went over the messages sent by the best players i played and I found.
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☺ (1304 D)
15 Dec 11 UTC
An open letter to all of you
Dear all of you,

Can't we keep this bullshit confined to just one thread?
Thanks, Smiley.
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FatherSnitch (476 D(B))
15 Dec 11 UTC
Dan Wheldon accident report
http://www.indycar.com/news/show/55-izod-indycar-series/51041-accident-report-cites-and-39-perfect-stormand-39/
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MrcsAurelius (3051 D(B))
15 Dec 11 UTC
We need a replacement because of a ban - world game
Hey all! We need a replacement because of a CD, banned player (not a cheater) in a pretty awesome world game with very good players (not me ;) ). The country we need replaced is the USA and he is in a very good position, the game is in autumn 2002 retreat phase.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
15 Dec 11 UTC
10 Legends, 1 Future: If We Had To Repopulate The Human Race...
...and you could choose ANY 10 human beings to ever live to redo it...to pass on their intellect and genes and being--and yes, I know Einstein+Curie +/= Super Science Baby, just go with this "re-imagining" of how it works, it's all in fun--who would you choose?
And the ration of XX to XY MUST be 50/50 or 60/40...no 9 men-one-queen relationships! ;) So...who would you pick to create Humanity 2.0?
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
15 Dec 11 UTC
An Open Letter to Babak
In reply to his open letter 'Dear Sarg'.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
15 Dec 11 UTC
Why do all my friends get banned?
The mods banned another one of my friends : (

Does anyone want to take over for Germany (again)? He's in a really decent position. gameID=74265
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Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
07 Dec 11 UTC
An excuse to avoid studying
I'm in need of one, and finally have enough spare time to play on this site again. So time for a comeback game. Classic, WTA. Medium pot (for me, so between 50-150). Phase length can be decided but preferably between 1-2 days.
Anyone up for it?
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
15 Dec 11 UTC
Draugnar forgot his pills?
I see he has completely went bersek.

+1 the reason(s) that you think caused that.
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President Eden (2750 D)
15 Dec 11 UTC
Put all the bullshit here
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101009140748/uncyclopedia/images/3/34/Bullshit.jpg
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Darwyn (1601 D)
15 Dec 11 UTC
Troll Science
step 1 - wear bullet proof glove in left hand
step 2 - grab pistol with right hand
step 3 - shoot pistol into left hand
FLIGHT!
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basvanopheusden (2176 D)
15 Dec 11 UTC
Sitter needed! Please help me...
I'm unexpectedly going on a vacation, and I'm looknig for a sitter for my one game. The game is almost over, so it will not take a huge effort to finish. Can someone please help me?
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icepebble (109 D)
14 Dec 11 UTC
High replacement bets
Hi
Somewhat new to this site. I've helped put as a replacement elsewhere and would not be against doing so here but I get turned off with what seems to me to an inappropiately high bet for terrible positions. I assume there are difficulties making this better. Thoughts?
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Baskineli (100 D(B))
13 Dec 11 UTC
Capitalism and D's
I like the connection. The richer (and better Diplomacy players) get richer, while the poorer (and worse Diplomacy players) get poorer. Maybe, after all, D's IS the best ranking system?
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
15 Dec 11 UTC
Font
Story follows
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
15 Dec 11 UTC
H. Kissinger's Favorites
Following up on "H. Kissinger's Associates", I am going to open up "H. Kissinger's Associates"

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=74841
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Sicarius (673 D)
05 Dec 11 UTC
Free Society or Totalitarianism?
This latest law is really the straw that broke the camels back.
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Sicarius (673 D)
05 Dec 11 UTC
Put aside all other issues for a moment, and ignore the trivialities that dominate the airwaves and what passes for national debate in this country. The Senate this week ratified a defense authorization bill containing an amendment cosponsored by Democratic Sen. Carl Levin and Republican Sen. John McCain that would empower the military to detain American citizens captured on U.S. soil indefinitely without civil process, in addition to expanding the post-9/11 Authorization to Use Military Force and making it harder to transfer detainees out of Guantanamo.

Ten years of the war on terror, decades of the war on drugs, and a century of growing government power in general, particularly in the presidency and various police authorities, have perhaps desensitized Americans to what is at stake here. As the proverbial frogs in the pot of water, we are accustomed to rising temperatures and so do not notice when our flesh begins to boil. Yet when the Senate overwhelmingly accepts the principle that the military should displace civilian courts even for citizens captured on American soil, it has adopted a standard of justice remarkably tyrannical even compared to America’s very rocky history.

In the Civil War, the Lincoln administration detained American citizens without trial. Parts of the country constituting the United States were actually battlegrounds, littered by many thousands of bodies. Congress formally suspended habeas corpus. This was a dramatic move that has been criticized to this day. Yet the Supreme Court ruled in Ex parte Milligan (1866) that even the suspension of habeas corpus did not preclude the federal court system from intervening in the military trial of U.S. citizens, and that such military commissions of U.S. citizens on U.S. soil were unconstitutional so long as the civil courts were operating. Neither Congress nor the president could overturn this constitutional protection, the Court found.

Ah, but those were quaint times. Defenders of the kind of despotic military law being proposed today often say that even citizens do not deserve due process if they are at war with their own country. This is 100% false, at least as far as the Constitution is concerned. Indeed, the founding document of this government requires additional due process to try someone for treason:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court

But this kind of talk seems awfully soft on terrorists, doesn’t it? It is not as though the framers of the Constitution had ever confronted a formidable foreign enemy. It’s only been ten years since 9/11. Of course, by the time the Constitution was ratified, the American Revolution had been over just six years, and in that war about one percent of the American population perished--the proportional equivalent of three million Americans today, or one thousand 9/11s.

Still, this is a new kind of war, as the majority of Senators clearly believe, including almost everyone from the supposed opposition party. An amendment to remove the Levin/McCain language was rejected 61 to 37. Only two Republicans--two!--Rand Paul and Mark Kirk--voted against this blatantly unconstitutional measure for military dictatorship. If anything demonstrates that the leaders of this party claiming to stand for liberty and the rule of law are in fact almost unanimously and adamantly opposed to these principles in the most important imaginable areas, this demonstrates it beyond a reasonable doubt. Indeed, the fact that John McCain, characterized in the 2008 presidential election as a “moderate” among Republicans on questions like torture, backed this bill, should reveal beyond question that had things gone differently in that election, we would not have likely gotten any sort of reprieve from the steady descent toward total tyranny that has characterized the Obama years.

And indeed Obama, for his part, offers no true alternative to the McCain-Republican line of the war on terror. The substance of this bill is essentially in line with everything Obama has done, and, for that matter, what Bush did for eight years, although without formal Congressional codification. Glenn Greenwald notes that the horrifying reality portended in this legislation “more or less describes the status quo. Military custody for accused Terrorists is already a staple of the Obama administration.” Greenwald also helpfully explains that the media’s coverage of the Obama White House’s indications that it might veto this legislation has tended to mischaracterize the situation:

[W]ith a few exceptions, the objections raised by the White House are not grounded in substantive problems with these powers, but rather in the argument that such matters are for the Executive Branch, not the Congress, to decide. In other words, the White House's objections are grounded in broad theories of Executive Power. They are not arguing: it is wrong to deny accused Terrorists a trial. Instead they insist: whether an accused Terrorist is put in military detention rather than civilian custody is for the President alone to decide.

The United States is not a free country, not even close. There are plenty of worse places in the world, for sure, but a key characteristic of something resembling a free society that adheres to something resembling a rule of law is that the executive branch cannot use the military to indefinitely detain people, regardless of citizenship or location, indefinitely without ever explaining itself to a court or affording the detainee some process to challenge his detention. Even with such protections, a free country requires more--a functioning legal system that respects property rights and free exchange; civil liberties including free speech and freedom from lawless search and seizure; the freedom of people to control their own bodies, homes, and businesses; protections against involuntary servitude; and a general respect for freedom of association. In all of these areas, America has lost some of its liberties, and they all must be restored if the country is ever going to deserve the label of a “free country.”

Yet one freedom without which the whole concept of liberty is a total mirage, befitting of a black comedy and best affirmed only in Orwellian doublespeak, is the freedom from unjust, lawless, indefinite imprisonment. Since 9/11, the United States has abandoned this principle in many respects. Predictably, it was war--threat of a foreign enemy--that allowed this fundamental freedom to be destroyed, initially in large part for foreigners whose rights and dignity were never even given a significant consideration as thousands were rounded up, many tortured, many killed, many detained to this day for no crime at all but being in the wrong place at the wrong time, whether seized by Pakistani war lords in exchange for American dollars or declared terrorists by a presidential military legal system several of whose own military prosecutors have resigned in disgust with the blatant injustice of the whole enterprise.

American citizenship doesn’t guarantee due process either, of course--it did not for Jose Padilla for almost four years of detention, nor for the citizens currently targeted for assassination by the Nobel Prize-winning Constitutional law professor sitting in the Oval Office. Today we are on the verge of seeing the last bits of this retreat from civilized standards of justice codified into law. Our political culture has degenerated so much that should the courts strike down these developments, I would not be surprised to see the court decisions ignored altogether or, alternatively, a successful effort to amend the Constitution and finally give the president and his military full dictatorial power over the United States.

And for what, may I ask, did Americans finally relinquish this last claim to living under a qualitatively different kind of government from the absolutist monarchies or third-rate communist despotisms that now dot our history books as artifacts of political failure and vast human misery? Oh, that’s right. Because the terrorists hate us for our freedom.
joshbeaudette (1835 D)
05 Dec 11 UTC
Sic, I thought that the amendment was defeated.... either way, very troubling.
http://paul.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=399
Mafialligator (239 D)
05 Dec 11 UTC
I saw an article about this in the papers the other day and I thought "Sic will probably post a thread about this at some point." Though I have to say, this time I agree with you almost completely. The one thing I do have to say is that I don't think that legislation like this was the only thing standing in the way of the US just basically rounding up citizens wholesale. Appearances still matter and a large number of arrests and detentions without trial would be politically imprudent. Which isn't to say this legislation doesn't matter, or isn't a big problem (because it is). All I'm saying is, don't expect mass arrests and an outraged cry to freedom to follow. This will probably fly under the radar, like so many other things which eroded basic freedoms in the US.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
05 Dec 11 UTC
As i understood it, the amendment, to REMOVE THIS CLAUSE FROM THE BILL, was defeated.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
05 Dec 11 UTC
Given abstract choice: total anarchy or total dictatorship, I choose latter, on off chance dictator is benevolent. Anarchy is hell however you slice it.

You know what it is, Sic, you believe too much in human nature. The question, between total anarchy and total totalitarianism, then, can be re-posed thus:

Good anarchy: likelihood every human being will be a good person
Good totalitarianism: likelihood a single person can be a good person

Which one is the likelier one?

Now of course the person who rules the world being a good person is not the same as the likelihood of a single joe smoe being good, which is why totalitarianism is not something we generally want, but in the question you posed, it is.
Mafialligator (239 D)
05 Dec 11 UTC
@ Thucy - an interesting way of looking at it, but I don't really think there's such a thing as a good person or a bad person, just a person who tends to do good things, and a person who tends to do bad things, and that can change over time. And I think being in the position of being a total dictator over everyone, will make you into the kind of person who tends to do whatever it takes to maintain your own power, ie. a person who tends to do bad things. I don't believe there is such a thing as a fundamentally good core that can override circumstances like that.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
05 Dec 11 UTC
" just a person who tends to do good things, and a person who tends to do bad things, "

agreed, i was using the shorthand for that. sorry. for good person read "person who tends to do good things throughout life"

also there is nothing wrong with doing whatever it takes to maintain power if the alternatives to your rule are actually worse
Mafialligator (239 D)
05 Dec 11 UTC
But you miss the point, a person who tends to do good things is not that way because of any quality essential to themselves, it's circumstances that do that. And the circumstances of becoming a totalitarian dictator will probably make someone into "a person who tends to do bad things" You can't just change the phrase "bad person" into "person who tends to do bad things" without fundamentally altering the substance of what you're saying, and if you do change "good/bad person" with "person who tends to do good/bad things" in your original post you end up with something that doesn't really make a lot of sense.
I agree with Sic. I don't usually agree with Sic, but I agree with him.

But I also will take the side of Thucy in saying if I had to choose between anarchy and totalitarianism, I would choose totalitarianism. But this case is not such an abstract choice
Thucydides (864 D(B))
05 Dec 11 UTC
if the dictator had a strong enough moral conviction, he could still be a "good" dictator.

the chances of this happening versus all human beings being good is i think still higher, dont you
Mafialligator (239 D)
05 Dec 11 UTC
@ Thucy - No I don't. I mean I see what you're getting at, but I still feel like you're making a simplistic probabilistic argument rather than actually looking at what causes people to behave in certain ways. What makes people into "bad people" is not just some inner core of goodness or badness. It's circumstances. Having power to lord over other people makes you a bad person whatever your intentions. I don't think there is such a thing as strong moral conviction and certainly no moral convictions strong enough to actually prevent the kind of moral corruption that that kind of power would bring. There's also a certain kind of selective pressure here. To rise to the top of such a dictatorship you'd have to be pretty ruthless and unscrupulous. Not typically qualities of a person with strong moral convictions.

Whereas in anarchy, at least in theory everyone else exists to keep everyone in check, no on can, theoretically amass too much power, without being stopped by anyone else. I don't really believe this is realistically true of course. I don't think one option is any better than the other, I just can't get behind your argument either.
jpgredsox (104 D)
05 Dec 11 UTC
I would take anarchy over totalitarianism any day. Totalitarianism inherently implies no rights/enforcement of rights at all, while in anarchy defense organizations based on protecting rights would inevitably rise about.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
05 Dec 11 UTC
I think some of this is being argued the wrong way around.

it's not just absolute power which corrupts absolutely, the things you have to do to become a totalitarian ruler are likely to influence you along the way. Given that people are not just going to give up their rights without a fight (at which point they will be declared terrorists and detained indefinitely) I suppose in this day and age it is possible to insulate your dictator from the actual personal consequences of their actions, maybe that will make turning them into a 'bad' leader even easier...

I think the process of becoming a dictator necessarily changes the dictator, and thus the chances that any dictator will be 'good'

Meanwhile, in an anarchy, What is 'good'? If it means looking out for yourself and your family, then everyone will be 'good' almost without exception - except psychopaths who will find it much harder to find trusting people to take advantage of, mostly because nobody is wiling to trust those outside their immediate family...

at least in theory.
Mafialligator (239 D)
05 Dec 11 UTC
@ orathaic - I did introduce that argument as well. And it is a very strong argument. either way this argument is completely academic. A total dictatorship and total anarchy are both unsustainable if not outright impossible to achieve in the first place.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
05 Dec 11 UTC
@mafia, you said 'I did introduce that argument as well.'

sorry, i must have missed it, i only saw the arguement being made that when being total dictator one becomes evil, rather than as a requirement to become total dictator (which i think influences the probability quite a bit)
jpgredsox (104 D)
05 Dec 11 UTC
I'm not sure if dictatorship is being defined specifically as rule by a single person, a tyrant, but I would say north korea is at least pretty close to "total dictatorship"
Adam Bomb (100 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
An interesting thread overall. I can't be content with a government that is able to take me off indefinitely without trial.
The Rand Paul link seems to point to the fact that the bill was defeated, and I would appreciate it if anyone could get me a link to a site that shows otherwise...
I support the Constitution entirely, I don't think the law is sound in that regard.

Sic you are right when you say we are not a free country, but we probably differ in views to some degree about how we lose that freedom.
Capitalism is magnificent in the way that no company can oppress you. No business gets what you don't want to give them. Putin is totally wrong in saying any company is a "bully". Having been in a public school I've found that no actual bully gets anything you don't want to give them, and I've been almost entirely left alone because I take their remarks with a straight face and the knowledge that they don't have anything I can't live without. I set myself on course to out do any of them, and I did what I had to to stay above them, going to the extent of working out every night an hour for 5 months so I could beat one of the more annoying would-be bullies in an arm wrestle (I watched Rocky 1-3 for motivation).
In the same way, business gets nothing you don't give them. If a customer finds something wrong with what he is currently getting, he can break off what he is currently using etc. and work to make something bigger and better that doesn't have that flaw. Loss usually is a factor, but loss can trigger more determination.
That is freedom: knowing no one gets anything you don't give them.
urallLESBlANS (0 DX)
06 Dec 11 UTC
I don't have the patience to read this thread completely and find out if this has been discussed, but I'm fairly certain that Obama has said he will veto it, correct? My worry is what happens when we have a Republican congress/president that will pass it (if I'm wrong). Then 10 years, 20 years, or a 100 years later we have a government that is willing to do exactly what we fear and has the means to hide it.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
06 Dec 11 UTC
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2068954/US-Senators-defy-Obama-veto-threat-approve-662bn-defence-bill.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

one link as requested by Adam.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
06 Dec 11 UTC
@Urall, yes, Obama said he'd veto it, but on what grounds?

I believe from other thing's i've read (but can't find) that the executive is of the opinion that they are entitled to hold US citizens without charge if they are terrorist suspects. And that it is none of the senates business passing legislation on the issue...

although i think i've also seen the suggestion made that this will prevent intelligence, military and police from working together as easily as the military HAVE to hold terror suspects. (so the intelligence agencies may have more trouble interrogating the suspects...)

i don't know how much of this is accurate.
dubmdell (556 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
Yeah, what's been said above. The balance of power of the three branches of government will stop this from being enacted law. The supreme court ruling you cited gives precedent to shoot it down in the judicial branch, and I believe ural is correct in saying the executive branch promised to veto it. This bill is worth noting who submitted it and how each man or woman votes on it, facts to be put quietly in the back of the mind and saved for the polls.
Tolstoy (1962 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
The proposed amendment in question was merely an effort to put a nice fresh coat of legality on what has already become accepted practice, alongside warrantless wiretaps, installing GPS trackers on peoples' cars without their knowledge (again without a warrant), ISP taps (to spy on everything you do on the Interwebs - yes, no warrant required here, either), mandatory reporting of all bank transactions over $5,000, the effective criminalization of having "large" amounts of cash in your possession ("large" never being precisely defined, of course), the nearly de facto right of government police to murder with impunity, special surveillance, infiltration, disruption, and provocateuring of political dissident groups and unpopular religious communities, et cetera ad infinitum.

In the grand scheme of things, whether detaining and imprisoning someone indefinitely without trial is 'entirely legal' or 'technically illegal, but standard operating procedure' - the perpetrators enjoying the sanction of our rulers and being free from any threat of prosecution for their criminality - really doesn't make that big a difference. We are already a police state. We differ from most throughout history only in that we re-shuffle the public face of the ruling elite every few years, and our masters frequently use words like "freedom", "liberty", "rule of law" and the like in their speeches intended for public consumption. But we as a people seem to have forgotten the meaning of these words, and apparently can't decide if they're worth fighting for - since we collectively shrug off each and every daily encroachment on our liberties by the same government that claims to protect them for us. John Hancock, Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and Sam Adams would be ashamed of us. Perhaps we do not deserve to be free.
Sicarius (673 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
"no company can oppress you"

lolz
Thucydides (864 D(B))
06 Dec 11 UTC
it still say totalitarianism,

in anarchy is really is

"the strong do what they may while the weak suffer what they must"

in totalitarianism the single strong person could, yes it may not happen, but at least COULD protect the weak.

so either the weak are not protecting or they maybe are.
Sicarius (673 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
Thucy

I have repeatedly stated, that anarchism does not necessitate that everyone be 'good' neither do I personally think that most people are 'good'. I think most people are rational, but that is quite different from saying they are inherently good natured or altruistic. why are you so hung up on this?
Now dont confuse me with anyone else who may use the phrase 'rational self interest', but if it is in peoples interest to help each other then they will. Helping yourself via helping others. Like for example we can probably all agree that clean drinking water is objectively 'good'. You think in an anarchist society that wouldnt exist? Not one single person would take it upon themselves to keep say, sewage treatment running? No one would drive the buses? You see, you always say ('you' being the forum in general) How will you deal with killers etc. That is a small section of society. Most are crimes of passion which the current system and or police cannot stop anyway. I have been looking, recently, at all sorts of ways different cultures deal with them. The sioux for example have the victims family choose to either take vengence upon the murderer by killing them also, or they can choose to adopt them. I was reading one story where a man had adopted his sons killer, but the victims brothers killed the killer with a rock and no one could say anything about it because that was within their 'rights'. Most people are rational and wouldnt want to live a life consisting of a bunch of people refusing to work together hacking each other apart or whatever. Many cattle cultures of BCE sub-saharan africa would have a killer give his best cows to the victims family, and if they did not do this they would be banished, all their herd taken. Now I'm not really suggesting we do either of those things, my point is just that people find a way to deal with these things.
I read a fiction book recently, and the main premise, essentially, was that anarchists all went to the (a) moon and started an anarchist society, the book starts 200 or so years after the formation of that society. The book is called the disspossessed (sp) by ursula k leguin. I enjoyed it, it gives what I feel is a fairly good guess at how an anarchist society could look like. It even deals with threats t that, like people who... are capitalists at heart or something. I recommend it just because its light reading (fiction, about a physicist) that gives a day to day kind of example.
Sicarius (673 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
oh also, its interesting to think about when 'what to do with the killer' ceases to be a cultural, social more (taboo) and when it starts to be 'institutionalized' or more or less, when it becomes a law. When something is cultural, you just 'know' like how we all 'know' snot is gross, because our cultural taboos say it is.
damian (675 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
Clearly everyone who voted for this bill should be suspected for treason for declaring war against their own people, and be held indefinitely by the military. ;)

It would be beautifully poetic.

(Laws like this just prove why I should NEVER go stateside.)
Thucydides (864 D(B))
06 Dec 11 UTC
"I think most people are rational, "

you are also wrong about that, even rational people are just posing as reasonable.

examine yourself long enough, your behavior and not your words, and i believe you will come to agree
Sicarius (673 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
Ok thucy if you're premise is that 'everyone is crazy' you'll have to give me a little more than that.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
06 Dec 11 UTC
@sic you said 'I think most people are rational, but that is quite different from saying they are inherently good natured or altruistic.'

I think most people are emotional, as opposed to being rational. They do not respect law and order because of the rational understanding that crime will result in punishment, the feel the need to obey the law because they fear punishment, or the feel allegiance to their country/state/county/community* and thus feel bad about breaking it's rules.

How people would feel in an anarchy is an open question because it would mainly depend on how you came to be living in an anarchy....


*note: when your community is not one which respects the rule of law and order of your state then there will be increased crime rates, no surprise there.

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taos (281 D)
15 Dec 11 UTC
i want to show you something
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=E7DKUC2WkmI
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
15 Dec 11 UTC
OK. Everybody take care.
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BosephJennett (866 D)
15 Dec 11 UTC
Retreat rules clarification
Can someone retreat to the spot from which you attacked them?
Example: Austrian A Vie attacks Italian A Tri (A Vie supported by A Bud). A Tri forced to retreat. Can they retreat into the now vacant Vie SC?
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King Atom (100 D)
14 Dec 11 UTC
In Case You Missed My Last Three Threads...
Yes, I am back...but only until Christmas Break is over.
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Tom Bombadil (4023 D(G))
15 Dec 11 UTC
I think the forum needs to lighten up a bit...
Post some good videos to make me, and the rest of the high-strung Dippers, laugh.
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Babak (26982 D(B))
15 Dec 11 UTC
MODS
Can one of the Mods please check the mod Email account. I have a request that may need to be resolved in under 2 hours.

Apologies for taking up forum space to make this request.
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basvanopheusden (2176 D)
14 Dec 11 UTC
Turns out, world smartest people are Asians. Why would that be?
In one the numerous "political debate" threads haunting this forum, Fasces posted a list of countries by average IQ. The entire top 7 is Asian, and on 10 there is Mongolia (which is weird, because you never hear anything about Mongolia). Why do they score so well?
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
14 Dec 11 UTC
New game.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=74801
The game is for trolls and semi-trolls. It is anon and global chat so will be focused on humorously trolling on one another anonymously. Then in the end we find out who's whom.
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
11 Dec 11 UTC
Conservalationalist
This series of games has been paused without me voting pause.

What the hell?
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Frank (100 D)
12 Dec 11 UTC
TEBOW
I have never started a religion thread on here before.
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
14 Dec 11 UTC
Chine has a military base in Texas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKfuS6gfxPY


Get them out! Stop the war effort!
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Darwyn (1601 D)
14 Dec 11 UTC
I may have to try these...
http://www.gametrailers.com/users/whutthephuck/gamepad

Discuss these possibilities...lol
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Victorious (768 D)
13 Dec 11 UTC
Fox bashing
Fox and statistics isnt a good combination
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