http://www.vdiplomacy.com/variants.php#Empire4

Include S. America you could have Portugal involved too.

South america was a consideration, but then spain and port would have alot more places to conquor, but if they don't have SCs it doesn't matter

The Native Americans wouldn't realistically be able to compete. It might make more sense to have Native territories be the supply centers and extra spaces, kinda like how the smaller European countries were such on the standard map.

well it was just an idea to add more players per map

It would also be hard to place NAs on a map. If you gave Russia the Pacific NW (not realistic, because Britain owned it), France the Great Lakes/eastern midwest, Spain Florida/deep South, and England in New England, that doesn't leave a lot of strategically desireable positions for a hypothetical NA "country"

Just my two cents.

Russia owned Alaska untill the 1900's when they sold it to the US

"The Native Americans wouldn't realistically be able to compete. It might make more sense to have Native territories be the supply centers and extra spaces, kinda like how the smaller European countries were such on the standard map."

yeah well the ottoman empire couldnt realistically compete either

i think you could throw in the iroquois and the apaches or something. it would be legit.


plains indians could be at the center.

also TMW the Russians had a fort as far south as san francisco

Yeah TMW, the Russians were in the NW in the early 18th century. And the Ottomans could compete enough that they held their own at Gallipoli. If you count the Ottomans out, you might as well count the Austrians out, because they didn't do much of anything.

God, I wouldn't want to be in the centre of a North America map - you'd be slaughtered.

@ Thuc --

Sorry. My pre-20th Century North American history is a little fuzzy.

But figlesquidge is right. Whoever is in the middle is toast from the start.

Rule 1: Spain starts the game occupying 17 of America's 34 SC's. Portugal starts with 1, France starts with 1, Great Britain starts with 1, the Netherlands start with 1 and Sweden starts with 1. Like in the original game, there are 12 neutral supply centers. Also like in the original game, the first player to occupy 18 supply centers is declared the winner. . . .

iroquois and the apaches sioux are optional, sioux would get killed though so the middle might just be nuetral. every1 would start with 3, spain with 5. maby lots of SC's.
1) No ottomans
2) No Nations in the middle
3) Inca in South America (so that spain and Portugal don't have it to themselves)
4) Spain's starting SC's would be kinda spread out (makes it harder)

or just have North America

@ Catch 23

If you did one of North and South America, you might as well just cut up the World Diplomacy map.

if it had a lot of players though, it would be bigger, with more trerritories

You could also just use the Fall of the American Empire map linked above, but change to using only Native American tribes as the players fighting over the continent.

Perhaps with a back story of a horrible plague sending Europe back to the dark ages, allowing the American tribes time to progress and develop technology that would lead to wanting to control the rest of the lands.

or just have the Black Death do alot more damage. Or Christopher Colombus was denied by the Queen of Spain

I didn't think of that. But how would NAs have navies/fleets?

have them get advanced, or just canoes (idk how to spell it)

Yeah, this is definitely something that could work. It might be worth it to try to put something together.

IDK how to

i studied early american history if it might help, youd prob want spain to start with an advantage, 4 huge territories sorta like russia, England with VA Mass Jamaica, Ned with NY, curacau, and antgua, France withupper canada lower canada and haiti, The map, portugal with brazil and peru. Would lead to an interesting situation in the caribbean, as well as a situation where players initially try to stave off spain ALA rel life. probaby shouldnt include the west coast for best game play

yeah. that's how it worked

yes I would agree with not including the west coast

@Santa, I like your idea ;)

santa's ideas are based on history, which i think The Tzar was going for

well sorta history, Netherlands never really had any military power in the new world so to speak, but this is a war game after all