Sure. But it probably won't work

centurion +1

Two things occur to me:

1. Point ante would have to be decide, obviously...what do you guys want to do there?

2. Obviously as it's live-play the players in each game would have to be able to all be on at the same time, so maybe, using that Group idea, we can use what the hockey and I guess soccer uses and make wins worth 2 in the standings, a draw a point for all involved, and a loss obviously zero, and after a few games those with enough points would move on to a knockout round...?)

Well, instead of just saying it won't work, let's try and make it work first at least.

So first let's see how many are interested, and they'll likely have some ideas, and we can find a way to make this work...might as well try, it'd be a quick and fun tournament and potentially a large one, live-play goes fast so maybe more will be willing to join...

if you figure out the details, I'll participate

look its impossible because no one can coordinate times like that. i cant just set aside three hours of my day and eventually someones going to have to play a game at 3am

then there are the cds inherent to a live game.

then really we need a large group of dedicated players, that will make it more likely to get games started up. Also we may be able to create groups based on location and timezones.

what hasppens when we are in the finals and we have a japanese kid playing someone from east coast us.

better hope that Japanese kid likes coffee :)

but yeah, that is the huge inherent problem to this tournament Idea. but you don't have to be so pessimistic do you?

i guess but it is being realistic

@tt612:

Yes, exactly, that's what I ment by regional divisions.

I mean, in baseball, most games start at either 4:00pm or 7:00pm in that timezome, so of course when the New York Mets play, they'll play mostly with the Philadelphia Phillies or Atlanta Braves or others in the National League East, so while their games are so often 7:00pm for me, it's really 4:00pm NYC-time when they play their games, so it's not late for them.

Point being that we won't have a Londoner play a Californian like me unless that was the final match or something, start with regions and work your way up.

My Regional Plan:

Western and Eastern Conferences, the dividing line being, say, Chicago and the Central Time Zone. West of that is the Western Conference, and East of that, so mostly the Eastern Seaboard and England, would be the Eastern Conference.

Each Conference would then have divisions, seven players per division (hence a game):

Western Conference Divisions:

California
Los Angeles County (since there are so many Californian players)
Arizona
Pacific Northwest

That allows for 4 divisional winners and then 3 wild cards, those with the highest point totals who didn't win the division.

Eastern Conference:

Middle America
Eastern Seaboard
England
London (since, same as California/LA, so many players)

Those are just rough ideas for divisions and the like, I don't know the full layout of who's from where here aside from a lot of Londoners, Englishmen, Californians, a collection across the States, and then around the world...

So better divison alignments are probably likely, let me hear them...

But the point being a Japanese kid won't have to play a Londoner unless they make it to the Big Game, and if they do...well, the Japanese kid played so well I guess he has to live with it now, put on some coffee or tea... ;)

I'm in...

I thinkt he best thing is to set aside a weekend. you'll mostly end up with students but oh well. the regional idea wont work as well I dont think.

but I do have one idea tht might cut the games down from 7 hrs to 3-4 hrs... but requires a Mod.

in regular ftf dip (and judges and pbem), there is a mechanism for proposing a draw that does NOT include all surviving players. so for example if there are still 6 players alive, but its pretty obvious that the 3 big ones will eventually eliminate the 3 smaller players and draw, then you can save yourself 2,3, or 4 game-years by proposing the 3way draw... and if ALL 6 vote YES (anonymous voting) then it passes and game is finished.

in the other formats, the mechanism is simple enough... on here a bit tougher. would need mod powers to force-draw (or force to 24 hr games so its no longer time sensetive to the tournament) and would need a moderator of some sort to take anonymous votes and announce the results.

if we could find a solution for THAT - the time it takes to finish a live game is cut in almost half...


also for points, the best ftf tournament point system I've seen is this... 700 for solo, 600 for 2-way draw, 500 for 3 way draw etc... + number of dots held at time of draw. similar to the WorldCup point rules. and most ftf tournaments i've seen have 3 game sessions with players divvied up randomly - so you simply add up the points to see who won at the end of the 3rd session.

oh - and you MUST have other tournament prizes/winners:

gold, silver, bronze...then
best country (ea country - 7 prizes)
best stab
best survival
best buddies (or 'care bears' for allies who never stab)


anyways... if it gets off the ground, i'll sacrifice a weekend or two ;)

This seems like a really cool idea, I would definitely be in. Plus I am on summer vacation so I could help out if that would benefit the tournament.

I live in Texas. What bracket am I in? And when does this start?

I'm in for the California division.

And may I suggest a better set of divisions:
Western Conference Eastern Conference

California New England/Atlantic Canada
Los Angeles Midatlantic
Pacific Northwest Southeast
Canada Midwest (Eastern Half)
Rocky Mountains/North London
Southwest Great Britain
Midwest (Western half) Other

The above didn't format as planned. Let me try again:
Western Conference........................................ Eastern Conference

California............................................................ New England/Atlantic Canada
Los Angeles....................................................... Midatlantic
Pacific Northwest............................................... Southeast
Canada................................................................ Midwest (Eastern Half)
Rocky Mountains/North...................................... London
Southwest............................................................ Great Britain
Midwest (Western half)....................................... Other

We could give it a go. I'll think about it.

Above edited:
California............................................................ New England/Atlantic Canada
Los Angeles....................................................... Midatlantic
Pacific Northwest............................................... Southeast
Canada................................................................ New York
Rocky Mountains/North...................................... London
Southwest............................................................ Great Britain
Midwest .............................................................. Other

Edited again:

Western Conference........................................ Eastern Conference

California............................................................ New England/Atlantic Canada
Los Angeles....................................................... Midatlantic
Pacific Northwest............................................... Southeast
Canada................................................................ New York
Rocky Mountains/North...................................... London
Southwest............................................................ Great Britain
Midwest................................................................ Other

I also have another idea: 8 people per division, with 8 games in each division, and each person sits out one game.

That's a better alignment, but we'd also have to find enough people for all those...

How would a regular face-to-face Diplomacy tournament deal with advancing up a bracket? Especially with ties and all, so there has to be a point system.

So what about a game a week per division, different times, we'll have a thread to track the points a la the Diplomacy World Cup thread, and then after a set number of weeks the highest point total in each division moves on?

But how would we advance 7 players to the final?

We should be looking at alignment after we have an Idea of number of players and their locations.

As far as advancing, we could use a point system, players would have to play in a series of games earning points based on win, loss, draw strength, or survival. At the end of the series players with the most points would move on to the next round. The math of how many games, how many points, and number of players moving on would be figured again, based on how many players are interested.

All the games will have to be on Saturdays and Sundays, else some people will be at work while others are at home.

If the logistics are figured out I'm in. I'm in Puerto Rico, so I guess I'll be in the "eastern division".

OK, so let's see how many we get...

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