or the psychic was the murderer and actually knew where in the dark they buried the child's body

You should probably listen to the interview before you go accusing people of murder willy-nilly in a case you obviously know absolutely nothing about.

I am not agreeing with Blackshad0w here, but I personally do not believe in psychics. So I find the article hard to believe. It was interesting though.

You don't have to believe in the psychic, you have to read the fucking article.

Except it's not an article... it's an audio interview. Something you must listen to, not read. So far the "news" isn't covering this angle of the story although the saga itself has been the lead item locally here the last few days.

...@bo, read my previous post. Reading is fun huh?

34 minutes!

I'm listening to a bit now, but I don't know why I'm bothering. These kinds of psychics aren't just frauds, they're detestable people who give false hope to victims' families and waste police departments times. They've NEVER successfully helped in a case before, why should we believe this one?

Links to the police actually confirming her story. I'm not listening to all this interview. Psychics have exaggerated (lied) about their involvement before. That's must more likely to be the case here than that some lady's brain can produce an accurate image of where a dead body is buried by magic.

I agree, nobody can do anything I can't do, it's obvious that no-one could understand more than me. How could anyone in the whole world have a better understanding of things than me ..... all people who claim to have more knowledge are frauds and detestable lying low-life scum.
As you can tell I am a complete expert on stuff I don't understand and no nothing about.

Lots of people can do things I can't do. But they can still only do things that are possible to do.

*That is within the realm of doing*

"Links to the police actually confirming her story."

It's the second half of the hour. If you fast forward to 17 or 18 minutes that should get you to the police officer who called in to confirm the entirety of the story.

"But they can still only do things that are possible to do."

Okay, so what is your absolute iron-clad irrefutable proof that the psychic's claim is impossible?

What is your proof that the claim is possible? Because a police officer confirms it?

The facts:
1) The psychic knew exactly where the body was and located it (even though it was almost completely buried) *in the dark*, even though there had been dozens or hundreds of people looking for the child over the preceding five days.
2) The psychic claims her knowledge came from a vision she had had.

Point #1 seems fairly irrefutable if all the claims made by and about the various witnesses (the psychic's children, the firefighter who chauffeured her around, the police officer who called in, etc.) in these interviews are correct. As for point #2, since none of us have been in this woman's head all week, none of us can prove or disprove its truthiness one way or another with our current science - we can either choose to take her word for it or not.

As I mentioned earlier, I find it hard to believe in psychics, therefore, I do not take her word and I think she had some sort of prior knowledge (not 'mystical' related). It could be because I am agnostic and that is why I find it hard to believe. I am not saying it is impossible, I am saying I do not believe it. And you are entitled to your opinion as well; I am not trying to change your opinion on the matter.

I don't know how to hypnotize a person, or to split an atom so I'll make the assumption that neither are possible ......

Anecdotal evidence is worthless.

Show me a study where any claimed 'psychic' was able to demonstrate such things in a controlled environment, and be able to repeat the experiment.

If you're going to make fantastic claims, you're going to have to come up with some fantastic proof.

There are educated people who believe that psychics exist? Bloody hell. I'm not aware of any psychic ever successfully demonstrating their purported ability under controlled, repeatable scientific conditions. They either refuse or are exposed as frauds. One example like this is meaningless.

Yes, there is a tiny chance it actually exists just as there is a tiny chance that next time I jump in the air I won't come down. What is more likely, that this person has supernatural abilities or that the people involved are mistaken or missing some vital information?

Oops. Too slow. What Jack Klein said.

I did not believe in hypnosis until I actually witnessed it happening.
While I do not believe in the "prophetic" visions, I am not saying it is impossible. I would need to see it in action though, just like I saw the hypnosis happening in front of me, for me to lose all of my doubt I have now.

Why does seeing something happening in front of you make it true? What our brains can manufacture, amend and conjure is incredible. If I see a person levitate I don't think 'my God! They must be some sort of wizard because I can *see* them levitating!' It is much more likely it is a trick. They MIGHT be a wizard, the chances are just extremely low.

Incidentally I'm pretty sure that the effectiveness of hypnosis and the mechanism of action it uses has been demonstrated through peer-reviewed studies.

Most likely a trick? Criss Angel can really walk on water, don't tell me any different.

"Anecdotal evidence is worthless."

Nonsense. Anecdotes are data points like any other.

"Show me a study where any claimed 'psychic' was able to demonstrate such things in a controlled environment, and be able to repeat the experiment."

Show me a study that conclusively proves the existence of Dark Matter. The fact that you can't doesn't mean Dark Matter doesn't exist.

"One example like this is meaningless."

One might've said the same about the Wright Brothers' first flight. What if we all said that this one example was meaningless, or a fraud, and that the people proposing heavier-than-air flight were all crazy (the news media of the time suggested all of these)? Would you also say that "one example" of, say, man walking on the moon or circumnavigating the earth is "meaningless"?

"Yes, there is a tiny chance it actually exists just as there is a tiny chance that next time I jump in the air I won't come down. What is more likely, that this person has supernatural abilities or that the people involved are mistaken or missing some vital information?"

What is more likely: a powerful God pulls the sun around the sky in a giant chariot, or there is a mystical, magical, and inexplicable physical force called gravity that no one really understands, which causes the earth to revolve around said sun (which is itself a giant ball of Wind which is constantly transmuting itself into Fire in a way which, again, no one can explain), creating an illusion that it is moving around the earth instead of vice versa? As our understanding of science changes, so too does our understanding of what is possible and what isn't. The fact that our sciences cannot explain something like a woman having visions telling her where a dead body is doesn't mean it isn't happening - it merely means that (if it is indeed happening) we do not understand *how* it is happening. Unless you believe that mankind has uncovered all the knowledge of universe (or close to it), you must admit that there are many things that are *possible* that we cannot yet explain.

I don't think anything is possible unless I see it on youtube or my mate tells me about it, but I believe in Jesus Christ, yep I totally accept as gospel everything he did.
Why, because I'm Ron Paul ...... and Ron Paul knows all. What a strapline !!

There is actually a non-zero chance that the next time you push on a wall, you go through it. Also, I would not call gravity a physical force and we do have theories behind gravity based on numerous hypothesis and tests conducted by scientists. Psychics are a theory and though I am not saying that the theory is wrong, I am saying that there is not scientific evidence to back up the claim. Until we conduct tests, I do not think we can ever say that it is possible to be a psychic. But how are you going to perform such a test?

"While I do not believe in the "prophetic" visions, I am not saying it is impossible"

That's a little problematic, we can have 'visions', or dreams, if the future; but whether they are prophetic of not requires waiting to see if they come true, and SOME things we imagine are bound to come true, thus i would conjecture the 'prophetic visions' necessarily exist. However not in a useful way, because if you can't tell which predictions are true before the predicted thing happens then you can't select between different options...

Of course this could be an example of a false positive, or it could be actual fraud. Or it could be a real psychic event, except predicting the future violates certain laws of physics (well i think the unpredictable / chaotic nature of natural systems is fundamental to physics...)

@tolstoy: don't be ridiculous, nobody claims dark matter exists! They all say, this is the best idea which fits the data we do have, without altering the simplicity of the theory; and it predicts that something we don't know about - but can search for - exists. So the idea of dark matter offers a possible answer, WITH a test to see if that answer is the case. There are probably lots of physicists who would bet their careers on dark matter being found, but that doesn't make them right. I still think of it as a hunch at this point.

You know the difference between the Wright Brother's claims of a first flight, and supposed psychics?

The Wright Brother's were able to duplicate their feats. Repeatedly. And repeatedly.

So far, all psychic claims have not passed that test. The day that one does, then we might have something to talk about.

Now that we've found a real, veritable psychic, I look forward to reading about the repeated, controllable, and reviewed experiments that she'll conduct now to finally put an end to the non-believing squares like Invictus and Jack Klein who can't wrap their head around the idea that there may be something out there that challenges their current belief system. What a bunch of closed minded twats.

Not sure if serious or not...

Psychics are real. Has anyone ever seen the Men Who Stare at Goats?