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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
15 Jun 12 UTC
Obama/Department To Halt Deportation of "Dreamer" Illegal Immigrants
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/report-white-house-halt-deportation-young-illegal-immigrants-133800284.html

I applaud this...I think it's a great decision...Obama to give a speech on this shortly around 10:15 Pacific Time. Thoughts on the decision itself and the impact on the 2012 race>
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
20 Jun 12 UTC
They Improve Their Appetite When They Exercise (Just As Long As No Skinny People Snicker)
http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/gym-bans-skinny-people-173000110.html
Banning skinny people from a gym...because it "brings down morale"...
Isn't that sort of like getting rid of all the smart kids in class because it makes the schmucks who think "The Day After Tomorrow" is scientifically accurate feel badly when they fail? WHEN did the West develop this "fear of failure" self-esteem issue?
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
22 Jun 12 UTC
A message of hope for Diablo fans
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18532670
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
There Can Be Only One--Which Actors/Films Pull Off The Character Best?
The many Bonds...the many Doctors...the different Darens...different Marx Bros. and Stooges...the many Hamlets and Holmes...the originals and remakes and re-imaginings...

Give a role with multiple actors, or a story with multiple adaptations, and say which one you take over the other(s) and why...which are the DEFINITIVE portrayals and films, and which are...not? ;)
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
22 Jun 12 UTC
Is this GunBoat perfection?
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Leonidas (635 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
Attention participants of ***Egos Aside*** GUNBOAT
we have made the roster available to everyone so that there is no advantage of any sort to anyone....
two of you are not identified, check this thread out to add your user name please, or just add it here...... thanks

threadID=887469
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0ri0n (0 DX)
21 Jun 12 UTC
What is Christianity?
Obviously, I know that its like one of the most popular religion out there but coming from a very anti-christian background, I dont really know what they actually believe. I know the basics like that Jesus is God but like how do you get into heaven and stuff? This is NOT a debating forum.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
Crisis and democracy
Brace yourselves
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Invictus (240 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
Could China Annex the Moon?
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/06/18/red_moon_rising?page=full
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
11 Jun 12 UTC
Jazz
Talk about jazz
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Fortress Door (1837 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
WTA GB-21
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=92419
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SweetnessFSU (127 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
Leave game
how can you leave a game after it starts?
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Bbrett93 (100 D)
20 Jun 12 UTC
The Contention Centers: Belgium, Sweden, and Greece
In my opinion, these three centers cause the most drama in 1901.
Who has the most claim to them, and how do you negotiate your nations units into them?
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
20 Jun 12 UTC
Who has the claim to them: Belgians, Swedes, and Greeks. Who gets them? That depends on the game.

Firstly, Germany can assure himself Belgium if he a.) moves his Kiel fleet to Holland; b.) moves his Munich army to Ruhr and; c.) is cooperative with either England or France. If cooperative with France, Germany won't have to worry about a move to Burgundy and if cooperative with England, Germany wouldn't have to worry about Denmark. This also ensures that Russia can get Sweden, which can be a huge misstep if a juggernaut arises. If England and France align, they can support one another into Belgium and block Germany. Any combination of those three nations in western Europe can easily take out the other, though Germany (in my opinion) has the advantage in gunboats, especially if France doesn't open to Burgundy. Germany can also be "robbed" of Belgium by Italian aggression against Austria which would threaten Munich. Russia and Austria can force Germany to defend rather than get three builds as well, but that's rarely seen in full press. Obviously, German movement to aggressively take Belgium is risky.

Sweden is an important territory to Germany, England, and Russia. My preferred opening as England is to work against Russia to get Scandinavia, hopefully working alongside Germany and France as well. I usually open toward Belgium when I play with Germany, which takes away the option of bouncing Russia in Sweden. If Germany is cooperative with England, that bounce will ensure that one of the pair can claim Sweden. In my mind, no matter what the case may be, a split in Scandinavia between Russia, England, and Germany in any combination will lead to inevitable conflict. I see England or Russia win that battle more often than Germany, but I've seen all three come out ahead.

Greece is a really interesting territory. For Austria, it's a monumental risk to take two units toward Greece. While that does assure that he will gain the territory, it runs the risk that Italy backsides him. I've never seen Austria recover from an Italian attack and survive Turkey and/or Russia and I doubt I ever will. I never leave Trieste during my opening moves as Austria, the weakest country, because to me, survival is key and to prevent a juggernaut, you can't wage war with Italy anyway. I try not to let an inexperienced Italy fall into it. In terms of Italian conquering of Greece, it usually ends up creating an Austrian war. Italy usually comes out ahead, but Turkey and Russia generally can crush him anyway. If Italy plays well enough, Turkey may stab Russia, and from there, the Italian/Turkish alliance is an excellent way to end up with 17 apiece. Still, I don't think one can shoot for that ending as it really takes a lot of effort and a lot of risk on the part of Italy. Turkey will only claim Greece in 1901 if nobody else goes after it. Simple as that.
2ndWhiteLine (2736 D(B))
20 Jun 12 UTC
Greece doesn't cause as much first year conflict as does Rumania, IMO. It's more of a factor in 1902/3 once Italy and Turkey get a second build.
BreathOfVega (597 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
@Bo_sox: I believe /I've never opened Kie - Hol with Germany (don't look at my stats here, obviously).
I don't need to go for 3 builds at 1901, it just makes me the target and annoys my neighbours. More than that, I lose the possibility to negate Sweden to Russia, a serious threat to whatever alliance I want to put up with England. If Russia opens North, I am basically giving the entire Scandinavia to him. No.
And the matter of what I do with an army in Denmark: a fleet is much more useful, can move vs England or take Baltic or support Kie - Bal; instead, a fleet in Holland can only be used against England (again, limiting my diplomacy), and cannot defend or support an army in Ruhr (weak in defense). And, as I said, it raises the chance to push England to bounce in Den, leaving me in Kiel without the possibility to build a second fleet against England. Nah.

Anyway, Belgium? it depends on who I am. I've seen often in f2f (less online) that France and Germany agree to bounce in Belgium, just not to give it to anyone and look for further exploits. If I play E and want Belgium, I always ask officially for support to F or G, or push France to ask for a bounce in Burgundy that leaves Bel free for a convoy.
If you want to hide a WT, it's nice when you convoy Yor - Bel with German support and France pretending to bounce you, and then Bel - Nwy + Nwy - Bar as a surprise WT.
In the Belgian case, I'd say that the most important part is what you want to do with Belgium. Giving (and thus wanting) to F is one thing (three fleets to France?), to G is another (an army in Berlin to wipe Russia out?), to E is more equilibrated but it's easy to steal.

I agree with 2ndWL - it's difficult to contend Greece at 1901. If Italy doesn't push, Austria can get it and if Italy does, Austria can ignore Greece or ignore the Italian threat using only Vienna to defend Triest (losing Triest isn't so painful in case you fail, I think that having two Turkish armies in Bul and Gre is much worse). Later is another story.

Rumania: is Rum worth giving Black Sea to Turkey, supporting Ukr - Rum from Seb or the opposite (vs Tur or Aus)? Can be discussed, I never made my mind :D
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
21 Jun 12 UTC
If the fleet remains in Holland it leaves the same opening to the North Sea, though you are right, it doesn't contest Scandinavia. Denmark is a stalemate point, though, and with Germany's home centers, he would have the advantage. Your mindset is a common one, as is mine, and I won't try to change it, specifically because of your latest reasoning: England. That alliance can be very effective if Germany does not get greedy, which defies history in both Diplomacy and in reality.

I prefer not to go aggressively after Belgium, but if I don't know who I am playing, it's a bad idea to leave it. It opens up an alley for England to put a unit on my land, and an army at that. If France and England turn on me, I can hopefully get a wise Italy to seize the opportunity to expand into Iberia. That takes a lot of work, though.

Rumania is interesting because it can be swapped. That's what leads to conflict there. Even if Russia gets it, allies with Turkey and moves forward, it is the territory that Turkey will focus on in order to stab Russia. With Rumania comes a nearly-guaranteed gain of Sevastopol, at which point Russia is toast. Turkey has a huge advantage if he opens against Russia early with English and/or German help. Austria, on the other hand, can't gain too much territory, or else the oft-inevitable Austrian stab is made more difficult. If he does gain too much, then the alliance revolves around him rather than you. I hate being powerless ;)
Lol,

answer to question one: I do.

answer to question 2: any way possible.
Sock (0 DX)
21 Jun 12 UTC
Dudes... come on. Its obvious that tunis causes the most conflict in 1901.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
21 Jun 12 UTC
You left out ven/tri, should be the biggest conflict, unless italy is a pussy.

Rum could go to Austria, but i think Turkey in serbia/greece is a bad sign for Austro-Hungary; any 18 which turkey can reasonably reach includes Austrian home centers... War is usually inevitable, even if there is an early peace; A-T alliances are rare. (i'd like to see some alliance stats please)

Sweden is often given to russia because without it the south falls and a dead russia is often bad for germany.

As england i open north, and ignore belguim. As russia i open north and threaten norway... France can legitametly head to EC/pic and burundy giving him two into bel, giving up a third build is worth it if it means stopping germany from getting one.

Laatly marseilles, if i'm italy the best anti-french thing i can do is take marseilles. Second best is make sure france occupies mars so he can't build. If italy isn't going after austria and isn't doing whatever austria wants (ie lepanto) the this is the next most common/useful conflict...
BreathOfVega (597 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
@Bo_sox, I am quite sure that England, without F in Channel and R in StP, is highly encouraged to bounce Kie - Den. Just to keep Kie unable to build a fleet is enough, if we consider that F Hol can only (in the beginning) move NtS...
This only IF there's an Edi opening and can thus move Edi - Nwy.

@Orathaic: I do not agree. I find an Italian aggression towards Austria to be counterproductive for both, since Austria will try to defend his home SCs more than Serbia or Greece (I often forgive an unexpected Ven - Tri if it can be turned to an anti-Turkish phase), giving a great advantage to Turkey. So, a wise Italy should consider with attention what to do with his armies.

Rumania is a mess. I almost hate it, while playing Russia. If you aren't sure of your neighbours' intentions, it ends up "taking Rum and build an army to support Rum", which is rather boring.

And consider Munich, the Father of all Messes, in the medium - late phase, if Germany crumbles. Being crucial to various stalemates, and always surrounded by a bunch of hostile armies... I hate Munich too :(
orathaic (1009 D(B))
21 Jun 12 UTC
I find that with a balkan gambit from austria Italy is advantaged more than turkey... Russia will happily join in, and austria will be doomed.

The it is a case of deciding which of the three eastern powers I/R/T will be removed, and both Russia and Italy usually want to be able to turn their back on the corner... This is often much better for Italy than working with Austria is (also the juggernaut is far overplayed, it is not as scarey or dangerous as the name suggests; just another alliance, Russia-Austria or Russia-Italy is just as dangerous for the same reasons - ie builds on both sides of the stalemate line, and once T is dead the corner position to set your back at... Turkey-Italy also works out pretty well.)

Of course if Italy helps wipe out austria, and Turkey-Russia materializes then Italy needs a western neighbour (or two) to help deal with the threat... and as usual France has the most to gain.....

And Munich, yes, definitely, I'm a big fan of munich, very much more interesting than Rumania. It can go to russia, italy or france. (asutria can't afford to take it) of those, the only threat to german security is france. (who can make better gains) an early russian invasion of germany is usually a mistake, even with a fleet in baltic...

italy taking munich is always a great idea.
stranger (525 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
To my mind, Belgium seems to be the only uncertain supply center in 1901. Austria gets serbia and greece, Russia gets sweden. Maybe Turkey and Russia both want Rumania, but I think Russia deserves to have this one part of balkans.
I personally try to get belgium with all, England Germany and France. That often caused me senseless conflicts with my neighbours.
BreathOfVega (597 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
@Orathaic, if I am France and I am seeing Italy and Russia wiping Austria and then Russia out, I'm going to rally Eng/Ger (the one who survived or both) and limit the East. In my opinion, I'm supposed to do it, and I almost always receive a good reply in the West.
It's the same concept of the French help to Italy in case of R/T (Juggernaut is different, it's Mos - Stp and F Ank - Con - Ege), why shouldn't I help Turkey if I am willing to help Italy?

@Stranger: and senseless conflicts are bad, as you know :D fighting for Belgium without an ally is not worth the pain. In particular if it creates hostility, then you have to move to protect it, and basically use your build to protect.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
21 Jun 12 UTC
@BoV: because i've seen enough french players who have taken advantage of germany or italian weakness to make themselves the third player...
orathaic (1009 D(B))
21 Jun 12 UTC
and Greece is a bad call for austria if austria plans to survive. (unless Juggernaut panic prevails in your community and no italian player would even consider that his best shot at a second center is trieste NOT greece.)
BreathOfVega (597 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
Well, assuming there's no will of second/third place, obviously. My bad I didn't specify it.

I am also assuming that France is going to prevent Turkish defeat (even if in my opinion it's lucky to draw Turkey in low pot gunboat in this site, since Turkey almost always win/draws with a lot of SCs). Even by conquering all the west, having to face a strong Italy and a strong Russia prevents my solo, since there's no way to take Tunis or Warsaw once they have gotten rid of Turkey.


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fortknox (2059 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
Diplomacy Class 1 discussion
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=82023#gamePanel
A bit embarrassing that it ends in a 2-way if it is called a 'class', but I'm interested in other's thoughts. There are some frustrations I had with the game, but I'm not bitter because I lost. Feel free to share your feelings, especially to the 8 (we had a sub) that played.
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hammac (100 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
Joan Baez
Saw Joan Baez at the Zenith in Caen (France) last night!
Abxolutely superb and she's 71. Still believable in her support for the beliefs and causes that she's been fighting for over so many years.

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Zmaj (215 D(B))
20 Jun 12 UTC
EoG: Gunboat-326
gameID=92320 The unglorious rape of France.
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joshildinho101 (128 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
Quick game gameID=92351
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emfries (0 DX)
21 Jun 12 UTC
Which is Better: Remix or Original?
The original: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1cxP2nCBdU
The remix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlnS6KfskbU
I hate rap music, but given that it's made by a few goons from my hometown, I gave it a chance. Debate.
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
20 Jun 12 UTC
How can you deal with obtuse 'morons' who will never give credit to opposing arguments?
Serious question. When you're debating, discussing, or arguing with people and they simply won't accept other points of view, even after reams of evidence, how can you respond? Is it best just to walk away or should we strive to educate?

How would you deal with someone utterly convinced that the Earth was flat, for example?
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hellalt (113 D)
20 Jun 12 UTC
Webdiplomacy.net FB Fan page
in case you didn't know there is one :P
Join it at http://www.facebook.com/webdiplomacy
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Sbyvl36 (439 D)
20 Jun 12 UTC
How old is the Earth?
How old do you think the world is? Do you believe the scientists (Billlions of years) or do you think its only few thousand years old. Give me your entire argument
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
20 Jun 12 UTC
Histrionic Personality Disorder
Read and think of anyone on here who might perhaps have this.
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King Atom (100 D)
20 Jun 12 UTC
will i go to hell for posting cheating accusations in the forum?
Also, who's nietzscheptzhedkfj? is he knew?
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Draugnar (0 DX)
19 Jun 12 UTC
Anyone here get into darts?
I've been watching some late night darts on ESPN2 or some such. And it really looks like an enjoyable combination of throwing skill, math skill, and strategy.
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
20 Jun 12 UTC
Winner Takes All vs. Point Distribution
See below.
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jmbostwick (2308 D)
19 Jun 12 UTC
England Gunboat Strategy
First in a series of threads discussing country-specific tactics for gunboat (no-messaging) games.
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Invictus (240 D)
20 Jun 12 UTC
Guess I was wrong
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/06/19/indianas-mitch-daniels-exits-vp-race/
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How do I report a multi?
Found one:
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Leonidas (635 D)
20 Jun 12 UTC
Quality Gunboat, needs 3 more
Looking for three players for a 14 hr phase GBoat, PM me for the password, 50 D to join, WTA, hoping for a game to remember...

gameID=92125
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
17 Jun 12 UTC
Utility of History?
What is the use of history in society? Should it be taught in public institutions like schools? How should it be taught. In your opinion, does History have any use at all?

~A Historian
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