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steephie22 (182 D(S))
13 Nov 14 UTC
Just Cause/Just Cause 2
Are they any good? Which is better? Worth playing both? Does the dlc add anything substantial?

It's 80% discount on steam, hence I ask :P
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JamesYanik (548 D)
14 Nov 14 UTC
SpeedyOooobyUSA
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Mujus (1495 D(B))
13 Nov 14 UTC
Violence and Death Threats in the Forum
Guys, Yellowjacket and Thucy started this violence and "kill him" thing in the Bible thread, aimed at me, and were silenced for it. Since then Thucy actually opened a thread with the same wording (or almost) and now chaqa has jumped on the meme.
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jusgonz (100 D)
13 Nov 14 UTC
Is there a way to surrender?
I am trying to surrender a game, mostly because I can't commit to keeping up with it. is it possible for me to surrender?
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semck83 (229 D(B))
07 Nov 14 UTC
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A new significant threat to the ACA
The Supreme Court will again hear a case with the potential to unravel the ACA (Obamacare).

http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/11/symposium-the-court-will-hear-king-thats-bad-news-for-the-aca/#more-221092
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semck83 (229 D(B))
12 Nov 14 UTC
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Threads not serving purposes
Threads are now being locked, without breaking any rules whatsoever, because "they serve no purpose." (Coincidentally, said threads had a high concentration of posts critical of the mods, and of particular mods almost universally held to be hugely overreactive, in particular).
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Putin33 (111 D)
13 Nov 14 UTC
Juicing Veggies
I got this juicer and made kale juice with it. It's rather harsh. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for vegetables to make juice out of. I have some bok choy but I doubt that will be delicious in juice form.
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JamesYanik (548 D)
13 Nov 14 UTC
Stingy bitches
I'd email but in my personal experience that takes a while, russia missed first phase, england missed two, and germany CDed. these assholes wont cancel
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
13 Nov 14 UTC
The WebDip Gif
http://tinyurl.com/l8rqjz3
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damian (675 D)
13 Nov 14 UTC
Looking for a replacement Russia
Hello everyone, we're looking for a player who is willing to take over Russia in this game: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=149778
The game in question contains two players who know each other and failed to advertise that fact before the game, but who don't know who each other are in game.
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MelloAsHello (100 D)
13 Nov 14 UTC
Looking For More
Details within!
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ckroberts (3548 D)
06 Nov 14 UTC
Players needed!
Reliable players needed for apparently a cursed game.
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JamesYanik (548 D)
13 Nov 14 UTC
cats
cats
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grking (100 D)
12 Nov 14 UTC
On Sleep
How many hours a day do you get? Do you think that sleep (or lack thereof) is a significant factor in job/academic/athletic performance? What are your thoughts on the concept of sleep debt?
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peterwiggin (15158 D)
12 Nov 14 UTC
Gunboat Game
I want a new game, but I can't handle a press game right now. Looking for 6 decent, reliable, gunboat players. I have a fair number of points, a lot of GR, and I'm terrible at GB, so consider it a donation.

The game will be WTA, 24 hrs, bet doesn't matter to me.
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ag7433 (927 D(S))
12 Nov 14 UTC
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Reliability Rating Game
Post if you're interested. Your RR must be lower than 75%. I support those who have gone through hard times.

#secondchances
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ag7433 (927 D(S))
12 Nov 14 UTC
Comet Noises
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/rosetta-mission-comet-sounds/story?id=26857618

Can the smarties in the forum explain to me how it's possible that a rock emits noise? I known enough from my one visit to the space station that this sound cannot be from wind.
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pangloss (363 D)
12 Nov 14 UTC
Mangatsika! Zoboomafoo is Dead!
http://tvline.com/2014/11/11/zoboomafoo-lemur-dead-jovian-dies/

My childhood! This is worse than when I found out that Wishbone died in 2001.
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A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
21 Oct 14 UTC
The Caesar Opening
Has anyone tried this unusual opening for Italy/Austria? I'd love to know how it went: http://www.diplomacyworld.net/old/copening.htm
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Sh@dow (3512 D)
12 Nov 14 UTC
Automatic Cancel
I'm in a game with 3 CDs by 1902 and being forced to play on. Surely there should be a way to stop this from happening?
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
12 Nov 14 UTC
Speed of electrons: calculated/theorised based on what observations?
I understand that you can calculate the speed of an electron if you know it's time and place at various times, but I can't imagine how one would observe these things in the first place. Presumably one observes something else and uses calculations based on a theory combined with these observations, but I'd like to know what those actual observations are.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
07 Nov 14 UTC
Live from Carnage!
Internet permitting, I'll be live blogging my experience at CarnageCon in Killington, VT this weekend. For more info: http://www.carnagecon.com/

Stay tuned for updates!
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TiresiasBC (388 D)
03 Nov 14 UTC
Looking for a classic WTA game!
Most of the ones I see listed are password-protected. If anyone has an open spot in one of those games, please shoot me a PM with details.

I haven't played for quite some time, but I can make a new game if there are others interested.
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MadMarx (36299 D(G))
11 Nov 14 UTC
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zultar, please own up to this bullshit.
Posthaste.
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
11 Nov 14 UTC
Locking Locking threads
Discussion is THE POINT.
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wildwolf (1214 D)
11 Nov 14 UTC
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Remembrance Day
Reminder that today is Remembrance Day in much of the world. Honour those who fought for the freedom that allows us to play the game in based on the politics of that time.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
11 Nov 14 UTC
A "Unified" Palestinian Government? I Think Not...
http://news.yahoo.com/hamas-trying-destroy-palestinian-unity-says-abbas-112457367.html I'd say having to scrap ceremonies for (however one might feel about him) a huge leader in Palestinian history due to concerns one faction might attack the other is a sign you DON'T have a unified government. Much as I dislike Abbas and Fatah, they're the better of the two factions fighting for power there...again--Hamas Hamas HAMAS destroys peace, even for fellow Palestinians.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
11 Nov 14 UTC
And to address it before it comes up--

Claiming Hamas destroys peace AND claiming Israel does so as well are not mutually exclusive...

Even the anti-Israel folks here can surely agree that Hamas, too, by doing this, firing during Abbas-agreed-upon ceasefires during the war, and other actions are really undermining the peace efforts here as well?

Hamas HAS to go in the region.

Israel isn't going anywhere, like it or not, and has the nuclear weapons and massive military to back that fact up.

Get rid of Hamas--it's the Palestinians' best hope for peace through a unified front...because they can't possibly take on Israel (on the battlefield OR the negotiation table) with a divided front like this.

Hamas Hamas Hamas...
DeathLlama8 (514 D)
11 Nov 14 UTC
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Peaceful two-state solutions be good! Current situation is really the opposite!

/thread
Zmaj (215 D(B))
11 Nov 14 UTC
obiwanobiwan, when I read your post, my first thought was "I bet he's a Jew". And bingo! I wonder how exactly you would describe the peace that Hamas is destroying.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
11 Nov 14 UTC
^...Lol...

I was gonna leave the Israelis out of this and mainly talk about the factions...

But, sure, why not. :p
JamesYanik (548 D)
11 Nov 14 UTC
revolutionary new idea for the world: don't kill, rape or torture people. Other crimes you can be put in jail for but those three: no-no.

no-no


































no-no
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
11 Nov 14 UTC
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1. Um...you bet I'm a Jew? O.o

2. Zmaj, folks--is he new? I mean...I think I've rather outed myself as a Jew...do I seriously need to be more Jewy? :p

3. "I wonder how exactly you would describe the peace that Hamas is destroying."

The peace between Palestinians--NOT between the Israelis/Palestinians.

That's what I'm saying here...

Israel is at fault in large part in the West Bank. I like Israel, but a LOT of that is the fault of their expansionist right-wing which, as with most right-wing governments, really needs to be reigned in or, better still, ousted in favor of moderates.

But between Palestinians themselves, leaving Israelis out of it for a moment?

Read the article--

"Palestinians are unanimous in their belief that their iconic national leader would not have allowed the quasi civil war between Fatah and Hamas in 2007 which saw the Islamist movement ousting their rivals from Gaza and the establishment of two separate administrations."

^Hamas destroyed THAT peace, the peace of pan-Palestinian unity.

And that might've hurt the peace process overall as well...

One of Israel's biggest concerns in a peace deal has been secure borders.

Whether you agree with that idea or not, it IS easier to secure borders against one, unified faction whom you can agree with than two factions, wherein one might agree to a deal and the other just ignore it and attack, as happened in ceasefires during the 50 Day War.

Hamas destroyed Palestinian unity, and that's hurting the peace process as well.
Zmaj (215 D(B))
11 Nov 14 UTC
obiwanobiwan, that was a rhetorical question. There's no way I could get an objective picture of the Middle East when the explanation is written by a Jew. You're an interested party and you're bound to be biased. Human nature.
Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
12 Nov 14 UTC
I say we kill them.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
12 Nov 14 UTC
"There's no way I could get an objective picture of the Middle East when the explanation is written by a Jew. You're an interested party and you're bound to be biased."

1. As long as you extend that same decree to Arab/Non-Zionist members of the site, OK, but

2. Who ISN'T an "interested party" by this part?

The US, Europe, and every Middle Eastern power are interested parties...

So who here can truly be said to be objective, or from a truly-objective nation?
krellin (80 DX)
12 Nov 14 UTC
If Israel would be allowed to succeed in eliminating them down to a single soul, the Palestinian terrorist government would be unified. Until then, chaos, evil and unnecessary bloodshed shall continue.

That is all....
ssorenn (0 DX)
12 Nov 14 UTC
Kremlin has fixed the problem. We can all calm down now, and go back to our regularly scheduled programming. :))
ssorenn (0 DX)
12 Nov 14 UTC
Fudge, Krellin^
krellin (80 DX)
12 Nov 14 UTC
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pew...pew pew...
TrPrado (461 D)
12 Nov 14 UTC
My first thought: Wow, he's really learned how to specify Hamas from when the Gaza conflict was in the forum a lot.
Second thought: Wait, I wonder if he's specifying Hamas.
Third thought: What's krellin on about?
krellin (80 DX)
12 Nov 14 UTC
On about? Such a strange turn of phrase. I don't like it.

I'm going to go pray upon my Idol of Zultar that you shall be silenced for a month.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
12 Nov 14 UTC
^What happened to the banning of idol worship, krellin?

Did your kids buy you a golden calf for Father's Day? ;)

(And anyway, KESTAS is the one true God here!)
Invictus (240 D)
12 Nov 14 UTC
obiwanobiwan, you're completely right that Hamas is a terrorist group and has no place in the peace process absent radical internal reform.

However, I don't think that it is Hamas alone that is blocking a Palestinian state living in peace side-by-side with Israel. It's certainly a major part. Maybe the main part. But other reasons exist.

For one, the settlements. The settlements (and the access roads connecting them, and the extensive Area C) makes a the West Bank area of a future Palestinian state nearly nonviable. While Israel should not have to go back to the Green Line as a border, it does have to give up a lot of what it now controls if there is to be peace. See the Olmert Plan for more or less what has to happen. It's not unreasonable for Palestinians to be upset that their land is being steadily taken by settlers, even though their violent responses are obviously illegitimate.

Secondly, many Palestinian people turn to Hamas not necessarily because they support terrorism (though many do), but because Fatah and the PA are so hopelessly corrupt and craven to outside control. Abbas is beholden to Gulf and American aid since the Palestinian territories effectively have no economy and he's beholden to the Israeli government because of the nature of the relationship set up in the various peace process agreements. Maybe that's good and maybe that's what we as outsiders want for our own interests, but it's certainly not a ticket to domestic popularity for Fatah. Given limited options, many Palestinians therefore turn to Hamas to express their displeasure with the legitimate Palestinian organization.
krellin (80 DX)
12 Nov 14 UTC
Kestas is not the one true God. He is but a shadow of his former diety.

Long Live Zultar!!!! Huzzah!!! Huzzah!! Huzzah!!!

What banning of idol worship are you talking about Obi?
Invictus (240 D)
12 Nov 14 UTC
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Zultar R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
12 Nov 14 UTC
Kestas IS the one true God!

Zultar is his Messenger on WebDip!

READ YOUR WEBDIP BIBLE, KRELLIN!
TrPrado (461 D)
12 Nov 14 UTC
I can accept WEBDIP because the entire sentence was capitalized, but WebDip cannot stand. It's called webDip, obi.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
12 Nov 14 UTC
@Invictus:

"However, I don't think that it is Hamas alone that is blocking a Palestinian state living in peace side-by-side with Israel. It's certainly a major part. Maybe the main part. But other reasons exist."

Before getting to those other points--again, this post was mainly focused on the Palestinian side of things in and of themselves...why they're NOT a united government/front, vs. why they're not an independent state, if that makes sense. Related but still different topics.

On the settlers:

I agree that, in the West Bank especially, settlements are a problem, and would largely fall on the "Israel" side of the blame here, when this is all said and done and future history classes hundreds of years from now (assuming they're not, you know, still fighting, of course) study this and assign blame to different sides.

I say "largely," since I'd argue it's pretty rare in this conflict for an incident to be purely the fault of one side or the other; rather, there's only who's "more" to blame.

East Jerusalem is another story, but I digress.

One of the biggest problems with this is the simple fact that the two swaths of Palestinian land aren't contiguous, and can never be without Israel giving up what would frankly be an unreasonable tract of land, since that'd basically carve Israel in two...Palestinians don't like that situation now, so it's pretty unreasonable to ask Israelis to willingly cut their country in half, especially to allow for the formation of a state run by an "enemy" of nearly 70 years.

I increasingly think the only way to solve this and make the peace last--I'm not convinced a non-contiguous state can work, not at this point, and definitely not with security a huge concern for Israel--that the Palestinians will have to give up one of the two patches of land they have now in exchange for more land adjacent to the region they would keep, which Israel would then have to cede.

The West Bank would make the most sense, as the larger of the two...but on the other hand, part of the reason it's favored is that it's adjacent to Jerusalem, which the Palestinians want to claim as an at least partial capital (and I think it's safe to say many Palestinians and a majority of the Islamic world would want the the whole city itself returned to Islamic control.)

The latter is what Israel fears, and the latter will NOT happen. Israel would fight a war to keep that city, and they would win. No way even an actually-unified Palestinian front would win that war...given the state of the Middle East right now, with all the other wars and civil wars, good luck getting help if you're on the Palestinian side, but even if you do (and in fairness, if anything could unite some of these nations, it'd be an anti-Israel war for Jerusalem) Israel has won with far larger forces set against them, and with far worse equipment.

I think Netanyahu and his cronies want to annex the whole of the West Bank, and make Gaza + maybe a bit of the surrounding terrain there the Palestinian state.

It'd be tiny, isolated from other Arab states besides possibly Egypt, an Israeli ally, Israel would get more land for more of its people, and there'd be no way the Palestinians could claim Jerusalem, as Gaza's on the other side of the country.

Fair or not, I think that's what their plan is...and I don't know what anyone can do to stop that at this point...the West won't invade Israel, and any other prospective force that would invade can't beat them, so even if Israel became a pariah state, if they feel that's a worthwhile trade in the long-term, getting more land AND giving the Palestinians a state on Israeli terms and away from Jerusalem...

It's hard to argue with that logic, even if you really can condemn any potential inequities there.

On Hamas:

"Secondly, many Palestinian people turn to Hamas not necessarily because they support terrorism (though many do), but because Fatah and the PA are so hopelessly corrupt and craven to outside control."

But Hamas is corrupt too...using money for infrastructure to rearm...

It's just that people are more OK with that form of corruption, since it directs their anger outward at Israel, rather than inward at Hamas, when really, it's better served being directed at both...less to Israel (ONLY to the extent they shouldn't support terrorism, otherwise, they have reasons to be angry, of course) and more to Hamas (who seem quite content to keep the circle of violence and inconsequential wars going so long as it keeps them in power, no matter how destructive it is to Gazans.)

"Given limited options, many Palestinians therefore turn to Hamas to express their displeasure with the legitimate Palestinian organization."

Then as my title would suggest, we need to stop this nonsense about describing a sort of unified "Palestinian Authority," as if these factions are actually unified.

The closest they come to being unified is in violence towards Israel, which isn't productive for anyone, since terrorism is bad in every respect for the Palestinians, hurts innocent Israelis, and any war, as the 50 Day War just showed, will ALWAYS lead to absolute destruction and horrific suffering for the Palestinians, far more so than the Israelis, at least in material terms and, as of right now, body count.

They're not united...so they need to stop being treated as such in coverage.
Invictus (240 D)
12 Nov 14 UTC
Good grief. Will you ever try editing down?

"I say "largely," since I'd argue it's pretty rare in this conflict for an incident to be purely the fault of one side or the other; rather, there's only who's "more" to blame."

How can the existence of illegal settlements be anyone's fault besides the people who built them?


"East Jerusalem is another story, but I digress."

It isn't. East Jerusalem is the West Bank. I think Israel should have unified Jerusalem as its capital, but since territory can only be transferred by treaty the expanded municpal borders of Jerusalem post-1967 are invalid under international law.


"I increasingly think the only way to solve this and make the peace last--I'm not convinced a non-contiguous state can work, not at this point, and definitely not with security a huge concern for Israel--that the Palestinians will have to give up one of the two patches of land they have now in exchange for more land adjacent to the region they would keep, which Israel would then have to cede."

You're a goddamn moron, then. This is too stupid of an idea to even consider talking about.


"But Hamas is corrupt too."

Yeah. So what? All it has to do is *look* less so to some people. Clearly is does.


"Then as my title would suggest, we need to stop this nonsense about describing a sort of unified "Palestinian Authority," as if these factions are actually unified."

Do you even know what the Palestinian Authority is? It exists regardless of whether Fatah and Hamas are cooperating or not.


For someone who spouts off on this issue so often you're wildly uninformed on pretty basic areas.


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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
11 Nov 14 UTC
LOL
Wait, seriously?
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metaturbo707 (126 D)
12 Nov 14 UTC
Rosetta ESA Comet Lander Mission
9:30 pm EST next update from ESA on Philae Lander readiness for start of comet landing! Landing expected around Noon EST tomorrow.

Live webcast here for next 24 hrs: http://new.livestream.com/esa/cometlanding
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JimTheGrey (968 D(S))
24 Oct 14 UTC
TV Rots the Brain
Anyone want to post the tote board for TV's five-game series? Three games are finished, ending in solos by three different players. A fourth should end this weekend. And the fifth saw it's first elimination in 1915. Good stuff.
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