It's lower than you thought cuz the damn media blows everything up to unbelievable proportions. F them for that

Feels like a dumb question but who are mostly getting executed in China? And does this only include people who were officially sanctioned to death, to be clear? I would guess the number is so low because people often can't be bothered to sanction someone to death before killing him/her.

NigeeBaby: Those Amnesty International figures are incomplete, and even with the numbers you posted that's a lot of people still being executed.

Just stop playing with numbers before you embarass yourself. Not to long ago you posted in outrage at civilian casualties from the Iraq War. The number you gave was orders of magnitude below the true figure.

steephie22:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/ACT50/001/2014/en/652ac5b3-3979-43e2-b1a1-6c4919e7a518/act500012014en.pdf

Don't be so harsh on Nigee, we all knew that unreported executions were never going to be on that list.for example, really no point even mentioning it anymore unless you just want to have a discussion..

So, Chinese executions, anyone knows what they are about?

I did look at the PDF but I guess I can't be arsed to dig.

*if* you just want to have a discussion.

not too long ago

steephie22: Chinese executions are unreported, though Amnesty International knows that they are more than the rest of the world's combined reported executions. Even so, Amnesty International still reports them as 2 executions in its figures along with the other states who don't report executions or where information is unreliable. For a list of these states, just do [Ctrl] + [F] on the PDF and search for 'China'.

No control+F on my phone but I appreciate the answer and thinking with me.

Any figures on North Korea? Probably not.

A few relevant quotes:

"Since 2009, Amnesty International has stopped publishing estimates on the use of the death penalty in China, where data on the use of the death penalty is considered a state secret. The lack of reliable data does not allow Amnesty International to publish credible minimum figures for the use of the death penalty in the country; however, available information strongly indicates that China carries out more executions than the rest of the world combined."

"Where “+” appears after a figure next to the name of a country – for instance, Yemen (13+) – it means that this is the minimum figure calculated by Amnesty International. Where “+” appears after a country name without a figure – for instance, death sentences in Myanmar: (+) – it means that there were executions or death sentences (more than one) in that country but insufficient information to provide a credible minimum figure. When calculating global and regional totals, “+” has been counted as 2, including for China."

"Official figures on the use of the death penalty were available only in a small number of countries. In Belarus, China and Viet Nam, data on the use of the death penalty continued to be classified as a state secret. Little or no information was available in some countries - in particular Egypt, Eritrea, Malaysia, North Korea and Syria, due to restrictive state practice and/or political instability. It is possible that judicial executions did in fact take place in Syria, but none could be confirmed for the present report."

"In North Korea death sentences are often imposed even though the alleged crime is not subject to a death sentence under domestic law."

For extended discussion of China, see pages 19 to 21.

"While reliable reports indicate that at least 70 executions were carried out in North Korea, Amnesty International believes the true figure to be much higher. Further reports about numerous public executions and executions of political opponents of North Korea’s leader Kim Jong-un, including his uncle Jang Seong-taek, were also recorded, but such information could not be independently verified. Other crimes for which people were reportedly executed included murder and cannibalism, embezzlement, pornography, escaping to China, corruption, activities that countered the goals of the Korean Workers' Party and watching banned videos from South Korea."

More information on North Korea can be found on page 25.

The Myanmar example seems to be a typo or leftover from previous annual reports, by the way. The current report says: "Amnesty International is not aware of any new death sentences in Myanmar. On 2 January 2014 the authorities announced that all remaining death sentences in the country had been commuted."

I'm just glad that Iran: 369+ executions, Iraq: 169+ Executions, Saudi Arabia: 79+ executions and the United States: 39 executions are on our (UK's) side when it comes to tackling those terrible ISIS people who execute people.

"Except for Belarus, which carried out an execution in 2014, the last executions by a European country occurred in Kazakhstan (which is partly in Asia) in 2003, and Ukraine in 1997." (Wikipedia)

Belarus is a pocket of craziness, but unlike the US, the EU won't invade it but just wait for them to see how stupid they are.

Well, we don't invade because we're scared shitless of Russia and Belarus is Russia's bitch, but that too. Belarus is fucking insane though.

To put things in better perspective, you should look at executions per capita. Executions per 1 million citizens:

China: <1
Iran: 5
Iraq: 5
Saudia Arabi: 3
US: <1
Somalia: 3
Sudan: <1
Yemen: <1
Japan: <1

abgemacht: You can twist it a million ways, though. The U. S., for instance, is the only country in the OSCE and the only country in America to execute people

That makes a lot more sense. Essentially, at least officially, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Somalia are the execution-happy ones. Good candidates for ones that are hiding it are probably China, though I doubt they would compare to Iran/Iraq anyway, and Iran/Iraq/Saudi, since they both depend on a fragile relationship with Western powers. Somalia doesn't exactly have a government, so the statistic is slightly useless.

I didn't realize division counts as "twisting" now.

abgemacht: There is no question that the U. S. is an outlier, both in its hemisphere and among industrialized countries. That was my point.

If you want other examples of why your per capita measure is misleading, compare the difference between zero executions and some executions. Out of over 200 states, only 22–24 states executed people in 2013. About 90% executed nobody at all.

Want another example? Oklahoma executed 2 per 1,000,000 citizens.

Well, yes, the US is fucking crazy compared to most of the countries it associates with. The death penalty is a pretty brutal thing to do, no matter how much. Abge does provide a perspective though, where some of the states are concerned though.