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DipperDon (6457 D)
30 Jan 09 UTC
To strictly follow the rules of Diplomacy...
All communications should be deactivated during retreats and build/disband phases.

Comments?
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jadayne (283 D)
30 Jan 09 UTC
Forum Format
Based on the activity of this community and frequency of posts, I think we could use a new forum format.


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mentat (153 D)
30 Jan 09 UTC
Moderator request
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=7935
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flashman (2274 D(G))
30 Jan 09 UTC
Why isn't Sicarius in Davos throwing bricks? ; )
Is he going soft?
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
29 Jan 09 UTC
The meta-game in the leagues.
Is it's presence inevitable? Is it an acceptable strategy? Is it purism to scoff at the meta-game?
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xgongiveit2ya55 (789 D)
30 Jan 09 UTC
(Another) New Gunboat Game!
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=8411

Same deal: 24hr phases, 50pts WTA
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Savlian (100 D)
29 Jan 09 UTC
Hacking
With the recent spike of hacking occuring on this site, I would like to call upon the admins to raise security.
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xcurlyxfries (0 DX)
30 Jan 09 UTC
Holy Crapsicle
:O
I was supposed to be account sitting for sir sithers and just checked my junk folder on my email, and it was from the 20th... LOL sorry man xD. I just checked my email today!
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danikine74 (167 D)
29 Jan 09 UTC
if one in seven wont play...

What could we do if one of seven players dont want to continue to play?? can a moderator push this player out?? can he play alone, the others continue in another game??
He s the one not to unpause, he may want to continue to do so for ever, can a moderator do something?
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wooooo (926 D)
30 Jan 09 UTC
1 hour phase game?
Anyone want to do it? I will password the game so only those commited to the turns will play (And we should agree to get orders in after 15 minutes so we that we can finish in a 2-3 hours)
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Jacob (2711 D)
29 Jan 09 UTC
here vs. facebook
It seems a shame to have the exact same program with mostly totally different people. Is there a way to combine the two? Our community would be much more robust that way.
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urallLESBlANS (0 DX)
30 Jan 09 UTC
Question witht the rules
Can a fleet attacking one coast cut the support of a fleet on the other coast?
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
28 Jan 09 UTC
Draugnar:
WHO IS DIPLOFOOL?

lol you are obsessed with that guy...
assuming he exists
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mastadisasta (100 D)
29 Jan 09 UTC
multiaccounter
in this game http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=8120, austria and russia are the same person (general grevious and rommeltastic). they put on a show for the first couple rounds and then don't attack each other. when i write messages they respond in the same way. for example when i asked if they were the same guy they both responded in the same way.
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Andrew102 (100 D)
29 Jan 09 UTC
New game-Super low stakes for noobs
The buy in is only 5 point buy in and are for new players.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
28 Jan 09 UTC
What if I just started 111 games?
I mean... I could. Would that like overdraw my account or something?
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mac (189 D)
27 Jan 09 UTC
EOG statement // GFDT - R1 - G10
Game: http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=6882
Country played by me: England

(see comments for the text)
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DingleberryJones (4469 D(B))
28 Jan 09 UTC
Why would I want to join this site?
Based on this forum
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El_Perro_Artero (707 D)
29 Jan 09 UTC
Sicarius
dagger, male assassin, spider, or suicidal Jewish extremist?

(explanation in 1st post)
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MANoWARchests (100 D)
29 Jan 09 UTC
Convoy support question
Let's say I want to support move a convoy move from another country? Do I support move the area/unit that is making the convoy or do i support move the unit that is being convoyed? thanks in advance
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
28 Jan 09 UTC
Questions
This is probably going to end up being to cgwhite, but anyone else can pile in too. Can anyone explain the format of the debates on second readings in the UK house of commons?
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
28 Jan 09 UTC
apologies, just realised what a rubbish and unhelpful title I have given this thread.
cgwhite32 (1465 D)
28 Jan 09 UTC
No worries ghostie!

Not quite sure what you mean by format of the second readings? Do you mean the process of a bill throughout parliament, of which second reading is just one part, or do you mean just the second reading part of the bill?

If you mean the whole process, for a public bill (the most common, and not counting private members bills), the following stages take place in both Houses:

First reading (formal introduction of the Bill without debate)
Second reading (general debate)
Committee stage (detailed examination, debate and amendments. In the House of Commons this stage takes place in a Public Bill Committee.)
Report stage (opportunity for further amendments)
Third reading (final chance for debate; amendments are possible in the Lords)

When a Bill has passed through both Houses it is returned to the first House (where it started) for the second House's amendments to be considered. Both Houses must agree on the final text. There may be several rounds of exchanges between the two Houses until agreement is reached on every word of the Bill. Once this happens the Bill proceeds to the next stage: Royal Assent.

If you mean just second reading, that is just one stage of the bill. It is the first chance for either House to debate the Bill as presented before the House. No amendments can be made at this stage, there is simply a debate, followed by a vote in the House. If the vote is successful, the Bill will go to committee stage, and follow the stages listed above.

Hope you find that helpful - any more details you require, let me know.
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
28 Jan 09 UTC
I was asking for the format of the debate itself.

I know that you have a mover, and then an opposer of some sort, who each take the dispatch box, but how does the debate run.
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
28 Jan 09 UTC
(ie what is the order of things happening etc.)
Loreman (407 D)
28 Jan 09 UTC
Format of debate:
During debates, Members may speak only if called upon by the Speaker(the presiding officer). Traditionally, the presiding officer alternates between calling Members from the Government and Opposition.
Speeches are addressed to the presiding officer, using the words "Mr Speaker," Only the presiding officer may be directly addressed in debate; other Members must be referred to in the third person. The Speaker enforces the rules of the House, and may warn and punish Members who deviate from them. Disregarding the Speaker's instructions is considered a severe breach of the rules of the House, and may result in the suspension of the offender from the House. In the case of grave disorder, the Speaker may adjourn the House without taking a vote.
The Standing Orders of the House of Commons do not establish any formal time limits for debates. The Speaker may, however, order a Member who persists in making a tediously repetitive or irrelevant speech to stop speaking. The time set aside for debate on a particular motion is, however, often limited by informal agreements between the parties.
When the debate concludes, the motion in question is put to a vote. The House first votes by voice vote; the Speaker puts the question, and Members respond either "Aye" (in favour of the motion) or "No" (against the motion). The presiding officer then announces the result of the voice vote, but if his or her assessment is challenged by any Member or the voice vote is unclear, a recorded vote known as a division follows. When a division occurs, members enter one of two lobbies (the "Aye" lobby or the "No" lobby) on either side of the Chamber, where their names are recorded by clerks. At each lobby are two tellers (themselves Members of the House) who count the votes of the members.
Once the division concludes, the tellers provide the results to the presiding officer, who then announces them to the House. If there is an equality of votes, the Speaker or Deputy Speaker has a casting vote. Traditionally, this casting vote is exercised to allow further debate, if this is possible, or otherwise to avoid a decision being taken without a majority (e.g. voting No to a motion or the third reading of a bill). Ties rarely occur—the last one was in July 1993. The quorum of the House of Commons is 40 members for any vote. If fewer than 40 members have participated, the division is invalid.
The outcome of most votes is largely known beforehand, since political parties normally instruct members on how to vote. A party normally entrusts some Members of Parliament, known as whips, with the task of ensuring that all party members vote as desired. Members of Parliament do not tend to vote against such instructions, since those who do so jeopardise promotion, or may be deselected as party candidates for future elections. Ministers, junior ministers and parliamentary private secretaries who vote against the whips' instructions usually resign. Thus, the independence of Members of Parliament tends to be low, although "backbench rebellions" by members discontent with their party's policies do occur. A member is also traditionally allowed some leeway if the interests of her/his constituency are adversely affected. In some circumstances, however, parties announce "free votes", allowing members to vote as they please. Votes relating to issues of conscience such as abortion and capital punishment are typically free votes.
See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Commons_of_the_United_Kingdom#Procedure
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
28 Jan 09 UTC
Ok.

The only thing that remains slightly confused for to me is this:

During the debates for second readings, I am aware that you have a sort of proposer and a sort of opposer (lets ignore private member's bills for the time being)

The first speech goes to that proposer (who I understand is said to "move") and then the second to that opposer. Then I understand that there is an open debate, although I am unsure about that. Then at the end of the open debate, do any particular speakers get to speak (e.g. the leader of opposition or the mover)?
Centurian (3257 D)
28 Jan 09 UTC
In Canadian parliament, which I believe is exactly the same, the proposed bill has preset speakers depending on which party proposes the bill. If there were only two parties it would go back, but since there are four priority goes to the moving party and then to the govenment and opposition respectively. For example a Conservative bill might go: Con,Lib,Con,NDP,Bloq,Lib,Con,Lib,Bloq,Con etc

The partys submit who will be holding their speaking times and the speaker calls upon them in order. The debate isn't "open" in that sense. It also means that the party leadership is usually doing most of the talking.
cgwhite32 (1465 D)
28 Jan 09 UTC
There is a lot wrong with that Wiki article - several things in fact, which I need to correct tomorrow. I'll also answer in more detail the proposer and seconder issue - again, it's slightly wrong, but its fairly simple, but often got wrong!

Wait till I get back, and I'll let you know!
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
29 Jan 09 UTC
bounce

getting dangerously low and awaiting a response.


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Jacob (2711 D)
29 Jan 09 UTC
rules question
I thought I had it all figured out...
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General_Ireland (366 D)
29 Jan 09 UTC
GFDT and League Info
Does anybody know the link to the site where you can check up on current GFDT and League standings? I tried www.llamanation.org but it doesn't have any content on this year's tournament or the leagues :S.
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chelseapip (303 D)
28 Jan 09 UTC
How Many Ds
Is there any way that you can tell how many Ds you have tied up in Games?
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Kompole (546 D)
29 Jan 09 UTC
Live game - anyone interested?
I'd like to start a live game with 1-hour-per-phase. Is there anyone interested in joining?
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Pimpernel (115 D)
28 Jan 09 UTC
Hispano hablantes - Clear META GAMING
Please investigate Baltasor and Danikine74
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vekkna (110 D)
29 Jan 09 UTC
Link to Join Games
I hope someone can help me with this problem. I created a new private game and cut and pasted the link given to direct other players to the game, but it doesn't lead anywhere except to an error page. Any advice would be gratefully received.
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xcurlyxfries (0 DX)
29 Jan 09 UTC
Who has?
The closest daggers to rank?
My rank is 425th and I have 325 D's
so mine is 100 difference, whats yours?
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General_Ireland (366 D)
28 Jan 09 UTC
Would anyone be interested in a Gunboat game?
say 32 points, 36 hr phases, PPSC?
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Centurian (3257 D)
28 Jan 09 UTC
Frequently Asked Questions
We have a FAQ that hasn't been updated in ages. I think it needs a bit of an overall. Perhaps even a more prominent position on the site. What do you think should be added to the list? See below
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