And, sorry... the amount of claiming, and what I said above, combined with how much weight is being put to the claims in some cases, and not in other cases.
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Re: Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
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The fact that flash, darg and worcej are all on Vapor makes me doubt Vapor is scum.
I think the voters on Bozo are misguided townsfolk.
Come join me on espresso. Let's bag our first scum.
I think the voters on Bozo are misguided townsfolk.
Come join me on espresso. Let's bag our first scum.
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stop PR fishingbozotheclown wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:03 pmWell, I assumed you meant later than N2 by using the phrase "later in the game". Do you have any N2 information to report?damo666 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:00 pmYes I think I probably wouldbozotheclown wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:56 pm
Yes, and N1 is later than D1. I believe you said "later in the game". If on D1, I said I had a power that could be used later in the game, would you assume I meant later than N1?
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I did it to avoid rdr shooting me.worcej wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:00 pmWell, we have 3 clears. We have a few later game claims that are unverifiable and some other claims that are also unverifiable essentially.dargorygel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:11 pmYour point is Poirot's point in ever Hercule Poirot tale. Not sure that now is the time to discuss this... but maybe it is. You make a good point imo.
We look at mechanics when we don't have anything else. And then we get locked in that. What, concretely, do you recommend we do?
I think we need to look at everyone’s motives in what they are doing. Why would damo float his claim out? Why would xorxes do it too? Why did Chaqa do it? Why did Percy?
Ultimately, I am convinced there is a scum or 2 inside this group of claims because it would be the best way to hide with how many games are boiling down to a lot of focus on gaming the mechanics (when they exist).
Xorxes did it in case he was NKd and Janitored N1.
Chaqa to avoid lynch.
Percy to avoid lynch.
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Why is espresso more scum than Vapor?
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espresso doesn't have 3 scum voting for him
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If you think you know who the scum are, why are you not voting for them explicitly?
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Are you using the bot? Through the vote tracker you can easily find the posts that include votes.
Why are you voting for me?
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The suspicion is not just because you claimed the RB, it is because of this:Vaporwave wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:47 amThis will be a smal AtE moment so skip it those of you that can't stand this sort of thing
It's not my first time to be honest with everything and have things turn against me, completely opposite of my intent
When I'm town I wanna offer information however it has been proven that it's best to be secretive even then
Everything is suspicious and people are not ready to accept claims at face value, especially not mine so...
I make a public promise that if a lynch on me will happen this day, I plan to NEVER claim any actions performed on me or results in upcoming games
After having negative motives attributed to my revealing of stuff too many times, I will refrain from doing so in future situations.
Thanks for understanding me and have a nice day
Was it your intention to imply that you would track flash?
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Oh god, I use the bot but never knew you can find the posts that include votes, sorry. Dumb newbie me :/bozotheclown wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:24 pmAre you using the bot? Through the vote tracker you can easily find the posts that include votes.
Why are you voting for me?
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Maybe he just wants to hop on a wagon to make sure he's in on the lynch? Idk though, you never know.
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Yes but context matters. Imagine on Monday your boss said: Your results for June were so good, I'm considering giving you a promotion later this year. Would you be entitled to complain if your promotion had not arrived by Tuesday afternoon? "Later in the game" can certainly be seen to imply more of a time difference than "next phase".....damo666 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:32 pmIs N2 not later than N1?bozotheclown wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:24 pmThat is not a misinterpretation, I would say if damo was referring to N2, want he said had the incorrect connotation. Even N1 is later than D1, but if he had a role that could be used N1, I would expect him to say " I have a valuable role", not "I have a role that is valuable later".
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Because I saw Vapor as pretty towny and you were the second placed wagon.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:24 pmAre you using the bot? Through the vote tracker you can easily find the posts that include votes.
Why are you voting for me?
Whatever, ##vote Espresso for reasons outlined above by damo
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Hey Jamiet, what does it mean for your theory that Espresso actually proposed the smokescreen idea during N1?
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I can believe EspressoPatronum thought all of the mafia roles were in play.
The only reason the mafia would use the RB would be to try to RB the tracker. However, using the RB doubles the chance of the tracker tracking a scum if the they RB the wrong player. Did the mafia really believe Vapor is the tracker, and that he was going to track flash, and if so, that flash is the killer? I think it is more likely the RB claim is fake.
##VOTE Vaporwave
The only reason the mafia would use the RB would be to try to RB the tracker. However, using the RB doubles the chance of the tracker tracking a scum if the they RB the wrong player. Did the mafia really believe Vapor is the tracker, and that he was going to track flash, and if so, that flash is the killer? I think it is more likely the RB claim is fake.
##VOTE Vaporwave
Re: Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
A brief read of Espresso...
Parks a vote on EMC. Never moves it, interestingly enough.
Comes out against the massclaim proposal. (I townread Bozo, and I generally think that scum want to avoid looking like they support these proposals, although there are plenty of counter-examples where they have proposed and supported, of course.)
His reads list (p. 38) seems... a lot like what I'm thinking now. His list of 4 townreads include 3 confirmed town (me, Brainbomb, Vecna) as well as Bozo. If he is scum, he's avoiding trying to make his scummates look good—although there's a big list of nulls/light scumleans to hide them in as well.
It's easy to believe he'd bus Worcej as one of 1 hard scum reads. And he continues to react against Worcej in day 1. But he's also got Chaqa and Damo in his scumleans, and Percy at the bottom of his nulls...
The progression on those reads is:
On N2, he moves Percy into a scumslot while backing away from Worcej. However, in the question of whether to believe Percy's claim on D2, he comes around to agreeing that we should delay voting him (possibly to see if we get the roleblocker before Percy activates on N4 [sic]), with not speculation on Percy fakeclaiming. But then near EOD2 (p. 108), provides his scum team guess to Bozo with Percy right in the middle. Worcej is his 6th scumread.
EOD2, Chaqa shows up and asks for a TLDR. Espresso obliges. Very helpful, especially if it's TvS and they're scummates.
N2/D3 seems to be consumed with the whole smokescreen issue. Which I'm not sure I see as an effort to out the DP, but it is a lot of looking busying and not actually hunting scum or even really replying to much in the rest of the thread.
Jamiet, I don't really see your point about him assuming the janitor was in play so adamantly as to warrant the conclusion that he knew it must be. I highly doubt the scum team had a janitor and holstered/failed to use it; I think it's much more likely that they never had one.
Despite not buying Jamiet's particular take on Espression being scum, I'd still vote for him over several other candidates.
Does the Divine Presence's target always know they were targeted, even if they don't have powers to steal?
Parks a vote on EMC. Never moves it, interestingly enough.
Comes out against the massclaim proposal. (I townread Bozo, and I generally think that scum want to avoid looking like they support these proposals, although there are plenty of counter-examples where they have proposed and supported, of course.)
His reads list (p. 38) seems... a lot like what I'm thinking now. His list of 4 townreads include 3 confirmed town (me, Brainbomb, Vecna) as well as Bozo. If he is scum, he's avoiding trying to make his scummates look good—although there's a big list of nulls/light scumleans to hide them in as well.
It's easy to believe he'd bus Worcej as one of 1 hard scum reads. And he continues to react against Worcej in day 1. But he's also got Chaqa and Damo in his scumleans, and Percy at the bottom of his nulls...
The progression on those reads is:
On N2, he moves Percy into a scumslot while backing away from Worcej. However, in the question of whether to believe Percy's claim on D2, he comes around to agreeing that we should delay voting him (possibly to see if we get the roleblocker before Percy activates on N4 [sic]), with not speculation on Percy fakeclaiming. But then near EOD2 (p. 108), provides his scum team guess to Bozo with Percy right in the middle. Worcej is his 6th scumread.
EOD2, Chaqa shows up and asks for a TLDR. Espresso obliges. Very helpful, especially if it's TvS and they're scummates.
N2/D3 seems to be consumed with the whole smokescreen issue. Which I'm not sure I see as an effort to out the DP, but it is a lot of looking busying and not actually hunting scum or even really replying to much in the rest of the thread.
Jamiet, I don't really see your point about him assuming the janitor was in play so adamantly as to warrant the conclusion that he knew it must be. I highly doubt the scum team had a janitor and holstered/failed to use it; I think it's much more likely that they never had one.
Despite not buying Jamiet's particular take on Espression being scum, I'd still vote for him over several other candidates.
Does the Divine Presence's target always know they were targeted, even if they don't have powers to steal?
Re: Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
ding ding ding!!! We have someone who finally listened to me (maybe)bozotheclown wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:57 pmI can believe EspressoPatronum thought all of the mafia roles were in play.
The only reason the mafia would use the RB would be to try to RB the tracker. However, using the RB doubles the chance of the tracker tracking a scum if the they RB the wrong player. Did the mafia really believe Vapor is the tracker, and that he was going to track flash, and if so, that flash is the killer? I think it is more likely the RB claim is fake.
##VOTE Vaporwave
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So you won’t look at someone because people you think are scum are a wagon on that person, therefor that person is cleared to you?
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Re: Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
Foxcastle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:12 pmA brief read of Espresso...
Parks a vote on EMC. Never moves it, interestingly enough.
Comes out against the massclaim proposal. (I townread Bozo, and I generally think that scum want to avoid looking like they support these proposals, although there are plenty of counter-examples where they have proposed and supported, of course.)
His reads list (p. 38) seems... a lot like what I'm thinking now. His list of 4 townreads include 3 confirmed town (me, Brainbomb, Vecna) as well as Bozo. If he is scum, he's avoiding trying to make his scummates look good—although there's a big list of nulls/light scumleans to hide them in as well.
It's easy to believe he'd bus Worcej as one of 1 hard scum reads. And he continues to react against Worcej in day 1. But he's also got Chaqa and Damo in his scumleans, and Percy at the bottom of his nulls...
The progression on those reads is:
On N2, he moves Percy into a scumslot while backing away from Worcej. However, in the question of whether to believe Percy's claim on D2, he comes around to agreeing that we should delay voting him (possibly to see if we get the roleblocker before Percy activates on N4 [sic]), with not speculation on Percy fakeclaiming. But then near EOD2 (p. 108), provides his scum team guess to Bozo with Percy right in the middle. Worcej is his 6th scumread.
EOD2, Chaqa shows up and asks for a TLDR. Espresso obliges. Very helpful, especially if it's TvS and they're scummates.
N2/D3 seems to be consumed with the whole smokescreen issue. Which I'm not sure I see as an effort to out the DP, but it is a lot of looking busying and not actually hunting scum or even really replying to much in the rest of the thread.
Jamiet, I don't really see your point about him assuming the janitor was in play so adamantly as to warrant the conclusion that he knew it must be. I highly doubt the scum team had a janitor and holstered/failed to use it; I think it's much more likely that they never had one.
Despite not buying Jamiet's particular take on Espression being scum, I'd still vote for him over several other candidates.
Does the Divine Presence's target always know they were targeted, even if they don't have powers to steal?
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