Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[Nephthys]

@Neph

As the townclear, you really need to show up and take some leadership.
Or at least grace us with some intropection. What, exactly, went into your decision to pick foxcastle and I? did you take anyone's advice? who do you currently townread?

I honestly don't really have any townreads anymore.

Because of the position I'm forced to town read Squiggs/Durga. I think its mainly Durga's ego but I dislike how she's playing its her thats the town clear.

I am coming around more on et and so mechanically he's probably the best bet.

Percy is completely blank, there's a lot of WIFOM there and I don't wanna get into it rn.

There is so much circumstantial evidence against fox plus I don't like how he really doesn't seem that focused on solving.

Damo I think is probably slightly scummy. I personally stand by that scum holstered the rb and double claimed.

Flav seems to be slipping under the radar although I feel xorx orchestrated the car bomb to shade him so he's probs town

ND is meh

Peter is meh

Chippe thinks he's being useful but isn't, probs town though

Only up to page 273, will read up

How are you forced to town read me?

Because right now we are in a rather bad position and I can't start making really weird theories.

[Nephthys]

@flav
@nd
@peterlund
@neph
@fox
@percy
@chippe
@whichever of damo/connor is town

I have a strong guess as to the identity of the BA. Is it worth me guessing aloud about it? I don't want to give scum the right person to rb and potentially block them from killing off scum.

I think that connor has a sligthly better chance of being town.

Can we get any level of elaboration on this?

[Nephthys]

Can anyone provide a case as to why connor is town?

[Nephthys]

As for other scum reads, not quite sure. 4 remaining, and I have damo, and fairly sure on Fox. The other two are either hiding where I have previously trusted (Most likely Chippe or et) or on a current null (Percy and peterlund). I think Flavius and ND are the most possible BAs, and the only other 'in question' players left is Squigs, who I think is quite likely town. (I find it a bit weird it's taken the Mafia this long to NK him though)

Always concerning when your scum read names a similar scumteam that you've been thinking. Perhaps I need a re read

[Nephthys]

Odds Durga's ego loses us this game?

Of all the people to be a townclear....

[Nephthys]

At least I get solace after tonight

[Squigs44]

Odds Durga's ego loses us this game?

Of all the people to be a townclear....

No, Durgas ego isn't going to lose us the game. There were 16 townies when this game began, so losing is a team effort.

[Squigs44]

Hmmm I gotta look into Percy again. Maybe I'll try and build a scumteam with Percy on it and see how that shakes out

[Nephthys]

Just read through Carl again and I note that all of his votes have now flipped town. This makes me wonder why he was killed. Yes he had a very good thought process but wasn't really in the right direction.

He scumread ND and Fox
He townread Flav and Chippe

[Durga]

Odds Durga's ego loses us this game?

Of all the people to be a townclear....

No, Durgas ego isn't going to lose us the game. There were 16 townies when this game began, so losing is a team effort.

How would my ego lose us the game? At least I'm participating, whereas our other town clear is a lurker.

Also if you're scum Squigs, you've done the best job I've ever seen to buddy me.

[ChippeRock]

Please do. I would like the Mafia to roleblock me rather than the actual BA - of course I'm assuming the GMs will let me know I got roleblocked even if I have no roles to be blocked, right? I mean, his character is bribing mine, so my character (and thus me) would know I was given money, right?

Yes, VTs still get notified of roleblocks

He definitely knew this. He's pretending he doesn't and I don't understand why. Otherwise Squigs and both Connor and damo would be scum read because there's no more town roles left. He's straight up trying to town slip or something. It makes no sense.

How would I "definitely" know this? I've played, 2 Mafia games - and I haven't been roleblocked in either. BTW, I said "assuming", which implies that is indeed what I think, but it's not happened to me. Not a town slip or a fake town slip at all - no, that would be way too obvious.

Durga, tell me, when I said "assuming" - does that not imply that I currently thought that is how it worked? Meaning, all of my decisions would of been made off of that thought?

This isn't a town slip. Plain and simple.

[damo666]

Not the word I would use to describe here, but that aside.

I think BA is Chippie, I've given my scumteam. I am going to write up some reasons for why I think that.

I think Damo is scum over ConnEr I don't see both of them being scum though. Yes I emphasized the E for Damio.

Lol

[ChippeRock]

Peter and I are best buds. I've met his wife and children and everything.

Okay, I'm sorry, but you two live on the opposite sides of the world right? How can you be "best buds"?

I'm just gonna keep quoting everytime Chippe disagrees with Durga for no good reason until he gets the point. Like why would Durga lie about this?

I'm stating that being on the other side of the world makes it hard to be "best buds" - sure, I don't doubt they've met, or that they have correspondence with each other, but it just seems "best buds" is an incorrect way to put it.

[ChippeRock]

Odds Durga's ego loses us this game?

Of all the people to be a townclear....

No, Durgas ego isn't going to lose us the game. There were 16 townies when this game began, so losing is a team effort.

Well if voting me out of spite isn't ego, I really don't know what is (multiple times BTW! It appears it could occur again!).

[Nephthys]

Odds Durga's ego loses us this game?

Of all the people to be a townclear....

No, Durgas ego isn't going to lose us the game. There were 16 townies when this game began, so losing is a team effort.

How would my ego lose us the game? At least I'm participating, whereas our other town clear is a lurker.

Also if you're scum Squigs, you've done the best job I've ever seen to buddy me.

I think only proves my point tbh

Anyways not productive so lets move on.

@Durga. Give me your logic of why people were NKed how they were.

[Squigs44]

Yes, VTs still get notified of roleblocks

He definitely knew this. He's pretending he doesn't and I don't understand why. Otherwise Squigs and both Connor and damo would be scum read because there's no more town roles left. He's straight up trying to town slip or something. It makes no sense.

How would I "definitely" know this? I've played, 2 Mafia games - and I haven't been roleblocked in either. BTW, I said "assuming", which implies that is indeed what I think, but it's not happened to me. Not a town slip or a fake town slip at all - no, that would be way too obvious.

Durga, tell me, when I said "assuming" - does that not imply that I currently thought that is how it worked? Meaning, all of my decisions would of been made off of that thought?

This isn't a town slip. Plain and simple.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone put this much effort into arguing that they didn't townslip

[ChippeRock]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems here that you think:
A) Damo is scummier than Connor
B) Connor should die before Damo

If either of them is town, than it proves the other is scum. So if whoever is NKed flips town, than we lynch the other.

But, damo is acting scummier than connor, so if both are scum, than we're more likely to think that damo flipping scum "clears" connor than the other way around (which makes us less objective towards connor than we might be towards damo and allow him to lurk to victory).

Again, you're not bothering to look at my underlying logic.

You didn't answer my questions, but okay w/e I'll go at this a different way.

You're suggesting we will make a poorer and less objective decision regarding Connors alignment after finding out damos alignment?
More info = better decisions Chippe, not worse

Also, coming in with a predetermined idea of what will happen after someone flips a certain way is close minded.

Yes, I am saying you guys are more likely to think damo flipping scum "clears" connor than the other way around.

Don't pretend us humans don't have biases - it's been scientifically disproven.

[Squigs44]

If either of them is town, than it proves the other is scum. So if whoever is NKed flips town, than we lynch the other.

But, damo is acting scummier than connor, so if both are scum, than we're more likely to think that damo flipping scum "clears" connor than the other way around (which makes us less objective towards connor than we might be towards damo and allow him to lurk to victory).

Again, you're not bothering to look at my underlying logic.

You didn't answer my questions, but okay w/e I'll go at this a different way.

You're suggesting we will make a poorer and less objective decision regarding Connors alignment after finding out damos alignment?
More info = better decisions Chippe, not worse

Also, coming in with a predetermined idea of what will happen after someone flips a certain way is close minded.

Yes, I am saying you guys are more likely to think damo flipping scum "clears" connor than the other way around.

Don't pretend us humans don't have biases - it's been scientifically disproven.

If we are more likely to think that, isn't it because it is more likely? And wouldn't that mean we would make a more accurate decision? Or are you saying you want Connor to die first not because he is more scummy than damo, but you are trying to pre-emptively save the town from its own stupidity?

[Nephthys]

Tom seemed awfully keen to push Percy and reading back through his posts I actually like what he was bringing up.

[damo666]

Can anyone provide a case as to why connor is town?

No.