Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[Percy Williams]

Do you even know how spreadsheets work, that can happen AUTOMATICALLY

Flav, if this is so easy, I want to see you do it. Make a spreadsheet with every single 4 person scumteam possibility. Then go through them and get rid of every single pairing that would not make sense based on a re-read of the game. Let me know how long it takes you.

Actually, combinations lists are really irritating to calculate in a spreadsheet. They are not a predefined function, and the excel "extensions" aren't all that elegant or simple (and I don't install them anyway). Definitely not automatic, let alone AUTOMATIC.

But if you google "combination list generator", you will find something that does do it in 2 seconds.

The whole project was about 2.5 hours, I think. (Well, 2.5 episodes of Good Omens, so probably faster if you're not distracted.) That includes tracking down all my exclusion pairs (and I don't intend to tell you how or why I picked them, because I intend to deploy this in future games) and cutting down the lists and staring and thinking and everything.

1. Yeah, As soon as Flavius claimed that it took you two seconds, and Chippe questioned the number, I did the maths and agreed with Durga, and that alone took me two seconds, before I touched any names, or looked at 300 possibilities.

2. Good on ya for watching Good Omens, the books were great books written by great people, and acted very well in the show adaptation. Strongly recommend that show.

3.I really think that Teacon versus Foxcastle know they are both Town, because any sort of conflict could make us scum read the survivor, and get us another mislynch.


(Okay, I got distracted a bit, but I am working on a new complete Town reads list, utilizing different possible pairings. Kind of like what Foxcastle's spreadsheet was, but person by person, and for Town.)

Also what's the word on Connor ComptEn?

[Percy Williams]

Connor and damo claiming roleblocked at Night3.
At least one of them is scum.
And I don't think BA don't claim roleblocked.
Because, claiming fake roleblocked tell Mafia where is BA.

This makes a lot of sense, since VT has no reason to claim Role-block, then it's a good strategy for scum and Ba. The mafia all know who is mafia, and who they actually Role-Blocked, so any non mafia fake claimant the scum team can deduce is Ba so unless the Ba didn't think of that, we have a VT and one Scum in the claims.

[et]

Connor and damo claiming roleblocked at Night3.
At least one of them is scum.
And I don't think BA don't claim roleblocked.
Because, claiming fake roleblocked tell Mafia where is BA.

This makes a lot of sense, since VT has no reason to claim Role-block, then it's a good strategy for scum and Ba. The mafia all know who is mafia, and who they actually Role-Blocked, so any non mafia fake claimant the scum team can deduce is Ba so unless the Ba didn't think of that, we have a VT and one Scum in the claims.

I wrote wrong sentence.
I don't think BA claim roleblocked.

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 4.7:

teacon7 (7) - peterlund, Foxcastle, et, damo666, Squigs44, Durga, ND
Foxcastle (6) - ChippeRock, teacon7, Nephthys, Percy Williams, connorcompton, FlaviusAetius

In a dramatic turn of events, TEACON is now scheduled to be lynched.

5 hours and 20 minutes remain in Day Four.

[damo666]

Do you even know how spreadsheets work, that can happen AUTOMATICALLY

Flav, if this is so easy, I want to see you do it. Make a spreadsheet with every single 4 person scumteam possibility. Then go through them and get rid of every single pairing that would not make sense based on a re-read of the game. Let me know how long it takes you.

Actually, combinations lists are really irritating to calculate in a spreadsheet. They are not a predefined function, and the excel "extensions" aren't all that elegant or simple (and I don't install them anyway). Definitely not automatic, let alone AUTOMATIC.

But if you google "combination list generator", you will find something that does do it in 2 seconds.

The whole project was about 2.5 hours, I think. (Well, 2.5 episodes of Good Omens, so probably faster if you're not distracted.) That includes tracking down all my exclusion pairs (and I don't intend to tell you how or why I picked them, because I intend to deploy this in future games) and cutting down the lists and staring and thinking and everything.

I think 4 is just too many, makes it impractical. I do do this as town when it's down to 3 though.

PS David Tennant is good isn't he?

[teacon7]

I'm about to catch up from what I missed yesterday. I'm hoping bets were placed in the form of pizzas.

the peterbot says i'm in the lead now. interesting. I obviously think I'm more town than fox. tbh the way most people are handling this makes me think scum knows it's TvT. More thoughts on when I get to the present.

There are basically three options
1. Lynch Fox, I don't like it that much at all
2. Lynch Teacon, I don't like it that much at all
3. Tie the vote, I don't even know if that's possible

A no-lynch isn't an option. At least get info from this lynch, for whatever it's worth. lynch foxcastle >> lynch teacon >>>> no lynch.

[damo666]

Connor and damo claiming roleblocked at Night3.
At least one of them is scum.
And I don't think BA don't claim roleblocked.
Because, claiming fake roleblocked tell Mafia where is BA.

This makes a lot of sense, since VT has no reason to claim Role-block, then it's a good strategy for scum and Ba. The mafia all know who is mafia, and who they actually Role-Blocked, so any non mafia fake claimant the scum team can deduce is Ba so unless the Ba didn't think of that, we have a VT and one Scum in the claims.

Quite. Scum Connor v VT damo

[teacon7]

Ok listen, teacon is no way in heck actually a scum
FoxCastle has so much evidence mounting upon him, yet he refuses to respond to even ONE question
That spreadsheet probably took like 2 seconds to make, dont be fooled

I would like to see you make a spreadsheet and comb through over 300 possible scumpairings in "like 2 seconds".

Do you even know how spreadsheets work, that can happen AUTOMATICALLY

okay then please make your own. tell us how long it takes to set it up.

[damo666]

I'm pretty sure Fox is town and I hope Teacon is scum (or maybe BA) but I'm beginning to join the consensus that it's TvT.

Regardless of the outcome it's obviously me v Connor tomorrow. I am not sure how I can convince you that Connor is scum since he has done so little but I hardclaim VT.


Tbh I was amazed Connor cc'd RB. Perhaps I would have been 1 townclear too many?

[teacon7]

Squigs how do you feel about the fact that he who must not be named or he'll abuse me about this post has contributed nothing the whole game. I'm really noticing it on this day but it's like he's really coasting.

As I solve more and more, he is increasingly becoming a more viable option for a scumteam member just based on POE. Definitely need to resolve today and damo/connor before even considering putting together a wagon on him, but yeah he has definitely not helped town in any obvious way.

Again, I'm getting a lot of weird vibes off of the squiggs/durga interactions.

@durga
@squiggs
why/how do you guys trust each other so much?

@fox - what do you make of their interactions? is it a buddying sitaution? or a scum/scum friendly collaboration?

[teacon7]

Ok so FoxCastle has done this before
People have done this before as scum and town
So its a wash, spreadsheet or not, it shouldn't be the end all be all to who is scum and who is not
Maybe spreadsheets and a lot of effort in the game should be factors but NOT EVERYTHING
Look at the other evidence it outweighs it 100 million times

where has foxcastle done this before? what game?

[damo666]

And who are they talking about? ND?

[teacon7]

maybe its my infatuation with spreadsheets, but there is no way scum Fox does that

tbf, both fox and I think this is TvT.


@fox when you get back, let's look into who influenced Neph to choose us.

... I mean, it could be. And my martyr complex is acting up. But this did not become a buddy cop movie just because Neph stuck us together. At best, you are the Doug Judy to my Jake Perralta.

I don't get the reference, sorry. :/ I'll translate it as suitably dismissive and look it up later.

[damo666]

And who are they talking about? ND?

I am referring to Durga and Squigs.

[teacon7]

The spreadsheet thing is town indicative imo. Could you bothered as scum? Maybe but that's a lot of effort to gain a bit of town cred.

Teacon do you wish you had done a spreadsheet?

nah. I already have one, but it's an ML calculator/meta-participation metric that doesn't matter for these purposes.

Fox's spreadsheet basically does that math for his scumhunting algorithm. It looks town to me, but there's little reason to think he made the engine/equations for this game in particular.

On reflection I'm not sure I'd trust the methodology. Using POE to exclude certain pairings only solves for people who don't blend well. The more enemies/exclusions you make, the scummier the algorithm makes you look. Squiggs scored well on every team listed there, for example, but squiggs could be scum with anyone.

If we like his algorithm, we can just lynch him and keep the spreadsheet. My reads will need me to be alive in order to work.

[teacon7]

And @Teacon
Now you think teacon v Fox may town v town.
You voted Fox yesterday.
When you think Fox as town?
And why?

I think scum-Balki set us both up as mislynches. Balki avoided me d3, to make it look like he was try to "save" me. The same could be true of fox, but to a much lesser extent.

Fox looks more town today than he did the past 3 days. Although unlikely, I think Fox is more likely to be scum than I am, because a) I know my own alignment, and b) Balki setting up mislynches applies more to me than to fox.

[Foxcastle]

It's Day 4. We're at 8-4-1. Scum had to deploy the roleblock to try to save Balki. I think that was definitely worth the shot for them, because if Balki was alive saying "oh, I scanned rather than killed" (and you know he could sell it), we'd have been FUCKED.

So they know they're going to have an un'cc'd RB claim out there. Which creates 2 clears (or at least clear Neph + semi-clear claimant). And that's a big problem for them. So yeah, I think it makes a lot of sense to CC the RB claim, and I think if you do that, you have your scummiest-looking scummate do it, and they don't wait, and that makes me think Damo.

[teacon7]

And who are they talking about? ND?

Yes.

note that durga/squiggs were the ones who induced Neph to pick fox/teacon for today.

[damo666]

And who are they talking about? ND?

Yes.

note that durga/squiggs were the ones who induced Neph to pick fox/teacon for today.

How do you explain Squigs uncc'd RB claim?

[Durga]

And who are they talking about? ND?

Yes.

note that durga/squiggs were the ones who induced Neph to pick fox/teacon for today.

When did I do that? Please stop lying