Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[et]

And ND have thought that Scum is likely to throw vote this situation.
And ND vote me.
I don't catch up this thread , neither reread ND yet.
But I think ND is scum now.

[Durga]

Looking at d2 now I think it's safe to say that scum were comfortable on either wagon. We've got a good selection of non mafia on both sides which means scum were also probably split. I don't think it would have been 10 - 9 if et was scum, would have probably not been as close in the vote.

[Percy Williams]

Well, I can get on board with this wagon (since I can't understand playing the noob card so hard; but than again, Cruuader was also in this category, though he only played a few Mafia games, so it was a little more understandable) - but I still like the Fox wagon the best. If it comes down to it, I will switch to the et wagon since both are probably scum, but right now, I think Fox is a little bit more likely to be scum.

If I remember well, you were the one completely sure et was town on D2. What changed?

Also, if you had bothered to look at my detailed analysis of et vs. Espresso, you would of noted that I read et as weakly moderate town, as proved by the attached read summaries below:

So, in summary, I read Espresso as moderately strong scum and et as weakly moderate town. Therefore, if I can vote for Espresso without allowing the potential for a tie to occur, than I will. Otherwise, I'll hold onto my vote on a 3rd party.

All of these scum trying to tie this vote... Let's lynch someone for god's sake! Preferably the clearly scummy Espresso!

Quick question: Is ET as "clearly scummy" as espresso was for you?

[ChippeRock]

If I remember well, you were the one completely sure et was town on D2. What changed?

Also, if you had bothered to look at my detailed analysis of et vs. Espresso, you would of noted that I read et as weakly moderate town, as proved by the attached read summaries below:

So, in summary, I read Espresso as moderately strong scum and et as weakly moderate town. Therefore, if I can vote for Espresso without allowing the potential for a tie to occur, than I will. Otherwise, I'll hold onto my vote on a 3rd party.

All of these scum trying to tie this vote... Let's lynch someone for god's sake! Preferably the clearly scummy Espresso!

Quick question: Is ET as "clearly scummy" as espresso was for you?

Are you trying to use my phrasing against me? I clearly stated Espresso was read as "moderately strong scum", now I don't know about you, but I don't know if that necessitates the statement that you're trying to make it sound like I said. The way I meant to say it, Espresso is "clearly scummy" in comparison to et - who I read as "weakly moderate town", what I meant was that it was an easy choice on who I would vote.

Do I read et as "moderately strong scum"? No, currently I read him as scum, but not nearly as strongly as "moderately strong" - right now, it's probably closer to weakly moderate scum.

[et]

Chippe start to think me as scum?
I think I can't catch up today. See youth tomorrow.

[et]

*See you

[Percy Williams]

Also, if you had bothered to look at my detailed analysis of et vs. Espresso, you would of noted that I read et as weakly moderate town, as proved by the attached read summaries below:

Quick question: Is ET as "clearly scummy" as espresso was for you?

Are you trying to use my phrasing against me? I clearly stated Espresso was read as "moderately strong scum", now I don't know about you, but I don't know if that necessitates the statement that you're trying to make it sound like I said. The way I meant to say it, Espresso is "clearly scummy" in comparison to et - who I read as "weakly moderate town", what I meant was that it was an easy choice on who I would vote.

Do I read et as "moderately strong scum"? No, currently I read him as scum, but not nearly as strongly as "moderately strong" - right now, it's probably closer to weakly moderate scum.

Can you give us a number scale? I'll accept that you meant clearly scummier, but give us numbers to show what you mean, rather than really kind of scum.

[ChippeRock]

Quick question: Is ET as "clearly scummy" as espresso was for you?

Are you trying to use my phrasing against me? I clearly stated Espresso was read as "moderately strong scum", now I don't know about you, but I don't know if that necessitates the statement that you're trying to make it sound like I said. The way I meant to say it, Espresso is "clearly scummy" in comparison to et - who I read as "weakly moderate town", what I meant was that it was an easy choice on who I would vote.

Do I read et as "moderately strong scum"? No, currently I read him as scum, but not nearly as strongly as "moderately strong" - right now, it's probably closer to weakly moderate scum.

Can you give us a number scale? I'll accept that you meant clearly scummier, but give us numbers to show what you mean, rather than really kind of scum.

A numbers scale? Never seen reads done like that... But, my scale has 3 main anchor points: weak, moderate, and strong. So, I'll peg weak at 3, moderate at 6, and strong at 9 for a 1-10 scale (since strong isn't definitely, but pretty close). Based on the scale, I read Espresso as a 7.5/10 scum at the time and et as 4.5/10 town at the time. Now, I read et as 4.5 /10 scum (based on this 1-10 scale rating).

[Foxcastle]

Boom. In tinfoil land, Tom is the Reporter and crumbed in this post.

I still don't believe rdriv do this - a) why would scum sacrifice a widely townread player for the sake of a fake claim? b) scum is close to winning anyway, why bother fake claiming here?

What the heck are you talking about.

it's a tinfoil land discussion.
IF tom was reporter
and
IF scum saw the Tom crumb post above
and
IF
they killed + cleaned him
THEN
then rdriv miiiiiight be faking a reporter claim, in order to draw out the remaining PR + BA.

I don't believe this to be the case. I'm running down basically the only scenario in which I could see rdriv faking a claim like this. I was re-reading tom to see why he might have been a target. It's a pretty unlikely scenario.

Proposed for others' consideration: Teacon and I cannot be scum together, as I already made this proposal, but let it die.

[ChippeRock]

What the heck are you talking about.

it's a tinfoil land discussion.
IF tom was reporter
and
IF scum saw the Tom crumb post above
and
IF
they killed + cleaned him
THEN
then rdriv miiiiiight be faking a reporter claim, in order to draw out the remaining PR + BA.

I don't believe this to be the case. I'm running down basically the only scenario in which I could see rdriv faking a claim like this. I was re-reading tom to see why he might have been a target. It's a pretty unlikely scenario.

Proposed for others' consideration: Teacon and I cannot be scum together, as I already made this proposal, but let it die.

I fail to understand how that proves you can't be scum together? Mafia does have Secretary, and lynching town-rdrivera would be something they might test out to see if they can get enough support for it.

[Foxcastle]

“Cannot” is too strong. “Are not” would be better phrasing.

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 3.4

xorxes (6) - Foxcastle, Squigs44, Durga, Balki Bartokomous, Percy Williams, Nephthys
Foxcastle (3) - FlaviusAetius, ChippeRock, teacon7
FlaviusAetius (1) - damo666
connorcompton (1) - et
ChippeRock (1) - peterlund
Percy Williams (1) - xorxes
et (1) ND

Unvoted: rdrivera2005

Connorcompton and Rdrivera2005 must cast a valid vote before Day ends.
Connorcompton has been nudged.

Currently XORXES is set to be lynched.

7 hours and 13 minutes remain in Day Three.

[Percy Williams]

Are you trying to use my phrasing against me? I clearly stated Espresso was read as "moderately strong scum", now I don't know about you, but I don't know if that necessitates the statement that you're trying to make it sound like I said. The way I meant to say it, Espresso is "clearly scummy" in comparison to et - who I read as "weakly moderate town", what I meant was that it was an easy choice on who I would vote.

Do I read et as "moderately strong scum"? No, currently I read him as scum, but not nearly as strongly as "moderately strong" - right now, it's probably closer to weakly moderate scum.

Can you give us a number scale? I'll accept that you meant clearly scummier, but give us numbers to show what you mean, rather than really kind of scum.

A numbers scale? Never seen reads done like that... But, my scale has 3 main anchor points: weak, moderate, and strong. So, I'll peg weak at 3, moderate at 6, and strong at 9 for a 1-10 scale (since strong isn't definitely, but pretty close). Based on the scale, I read Espresso as a 7.5/10 scum at the time and et as 4.5/10 town at the time. Now, I read et as 4.5 /10 scum (based on this 1-10 scale rating).

Thank you, now I can actually see what you meant.

[rdrivera2005]

What the heck are you talking about.

it's a tinfoil land discussion.
IF tom was reporter
and
IF scum saw the Tom crumb post above
and
IF
they killed + cleaned him
THEN
then rdriv miiiiiight be faking a reporter claim, in order to draw out the remaining PR + BA.

I don't believe this to be the case. I'm running down basically the only scenario in which I could see rdriv faking a claim like this. I was re-reading tom to see why he might have been a target. It's a pretty unlikely scenario.

Proposed for others' consideration: Teacon and I cannot be scum together, as I already made this proposal, but let it die.

I don't see why you can't be scum together. At this point I expect scum to be distancing the most possible from the others as they just need a myslinch in 5 days (and keep the Hooker alive to rb the SK). In fact, wanting to hit the RB is the only thing that is keeping me from pushing your lynch. But if Xorxes is scum, then we have a lot of options for N1.
Teacon is another good lunch, I completely see him lurking as scum after that last game where he lost for lurkers.
I am also pretty confident Damo is scum, I did an Iso on him and can't see anything towny on him. His readlist on D2 doesn't seem natural and he only interacted with it's EP x et in the block then just fade away again. He never really push his reads, which is a big scumtell for Damo.

[rdrivera2005]

This thread is dead. Let's try to get something going.

##vote Teacon the smarmy man.

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 3.5
xorxes (6) - Foxcastle, Squigs44, Durga, Balki Bartokomous, Percy Williams, Nephthys
Foxcastle (3) - FlaviusAetius, ChippeRock, teacon7
FlaviusAetius (1) - damo666
connorcompton (1) - et
ChippeRock (1) - peterlund
Percy Williams (1) - xorxes
et (1) ND
Teacon (1) - rdrivera2005

Connorcompton must cast a valid vote before Day ends.
Connorcompton has been nudged.

Currently XORXES is set to be lynched.

5 hours 39 minutes remain in Day Three.

[et]

Reread ND
I reread ND. I write conclusion first(likely ND).

Conclusion
ND is Scum

ND's way to play as scum
-Using aggressive words
Why?
Players using aggressive words are looks like Town.
Even though no content.

-Throwing vote
All voted by ND wasn't lynched.
Why?
If leading mislynch, ND may read as scum by others.

-Narrowing the target
ND's targets are 1 or 2 in same time.
(Cruaader&Chippe-Chippe-me-Fox-me)
Why?
ND don't want many players to turn to the enemy.

Town can do these playing.
But, Town must read target's post well before decide target. Because Town want to lynch scum.
But ND decides target before reads post.
That's why, ND is Mafia. He knows his mates.

[et]

History of ND

Day1
[*]viewtopic.php?p=80289#p80289
ND's second post. What a aggressive! Looks like towny!

[*]viewtopic.php?p=80922#p80922
ND said we must lynch Cruaader.
Because Cru hoped unlynch.
I don't know why ND can say so strongly, but that was Day1. Not so unnatural.
Then no one hadn't voted Cru, time left 16h.

Night1
[*]viewtopic.php?p=81729#p81729
ND claimed to lynch Chippe.
Because bozo was town and he is wise.
ND don't read Chippe's post by himself.

Day2
[*]viewtopic.php?p=82202#p82202
ND kept claiming to lynch Chippe.
Very long post but low contents.

[*]viewtopic.php?p=82217#p82217
ND respects bozo. So lynch Chippe is necessary.

[*]viewtopic.php?p=82560#p82560
Suddenly ND voted Flav.
Case haven't published. Because judge used power?

[*]viewtopic.php?p=82709#p82709
Judge used power. ND voted me.
That was very long post but just summery what I did. Nothing about Espresso.

[*]viewtopic.php?p=82761#p82761
ND was requested reread EP by others and posted. Just summery what EP did.

[*]viewtopic.php?p=83037#p83037
ND said EP is town, et is null/slight scummy. ND don't read me as scum very strongly.

Night2
[*]viewtopic.php?p=83224#p83224
ND kept claiming lynch Chippe.

[*]viewtopic.php?p=83355#p83355
But ET should be killed by BA. When most scummy one am I? Where is Chippe? Or Flav?

[*]viewtopic.php?p=83466#p83466
That's why. But just conclusion. Why ND thought so?

Day3
[*]viewtopic.php?p=83839#p83839
ND voted Fox. Because TrPrad read Fox as scum.

[*]viewtopic.php?p=84393#p84393
And me. Not only summery but also impression! But just 1 reason I understand was throwing vote.

I can't follow ND's thought. Why ND pushed players so strongly by such as read?
And I can't understand why ND think so important deads' read. bozo was lynched and TrP was probably killed by BA, not Mafia.
I can't think ND try to solve this game.
So, I conclude that ND is scum.

[Foxcastle]

I would like Teacon to be a viable discussion today.

##VOTE TEACON

[et]

##Call GM
connorcompton will be modkilled or replaced?
When that will be decided?