Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[Durga]

So the only way the TrPrado kill makes sense is if SK scanned him N1, got a PR result, and killed him entirely on that basis. It would have made sense for a TrPrado scan since he was scumread by several people D1. That means our BA could be among the D1 TrPrado voters. I just am not sure if going after the BA is helpful to us right now, but definitely something to keep in mind.

brooooo you know what this means. flav killed darg?

[Durga]

Wait, if the assassin is lynched d1 but they already triggered the bomb, does the bomb still go off with them dead?

[teacon7]

@durga - Sure. Thanks for catching that I posted on the wrong thread.

I agree that Tom had to be town, mechanically speaking. I'm worried he might have been PR (acting strange is sometimes a scumtell, or sometimes a PRtell)

##CALL GM: Do mafia find out Tom's Role through the janitor? Or is it hidden form everyone?

I'm concerned that xorx/balki/squigs are still around.

I don't like flav's play, but fwiw he sounded this bad to me as town last game, so imo you've gotta look at behavior and not tone.

In hindsight I should have known prado was town. He was tunneling.

I do think fox is scum. a RR on prado might help make sense of his actions.

[Squigs44]

Wait, if the assassin is lynched d1 but they already triggered the bomb, does the bomb still go off with them dead?

I assume so. Flav killed darg because of car bomb? Flav mafia would explain D1 nicely.

[teacon7]

So the only way the TrPrado kill makes sense is if SK scanned him N1, got a PR result, and killed him entirely on that basis. It would have made sense for a TrPrado scan since he was scumread by several people D1. That means our BA could be among the D1 TrPrado voters. I just am not sure if going after the BA is helpful to us right now, but definitely something to keep in mind.

Going after the BA is a functional ML right now, isn't it? I suppose it spares us further deaths at night, but imo having that extra kill/scan directed towards scum is more helpful for both town/SK at present.

[ChippeRock]

80 pages of reading is... a lot. So I'm coming up for air to post on current events. Things don't look good here either.

Did prado leave any clues re: his scans? I mean, the cop was pretty nerfed anyway, but still.

Thoughts on play hereforeward:

• The judge should NOT use his/her power until the innocent child is revealed. We don't want to get locked into voting for only one candidate because the other one gets gm-confirmed inno.
• If the innocent child reveals, does this bit of information help to reveal voting patterns that lynches us scum today? Having a confirmed town would make an obvious maf target, but there's a chance it gives info for today. We kinda need that.
• SK should probably not fire unless they're certain they're gonna hit scum. @SK: sniffing for maf PR would be way more helpful at this point.
• Let's discuss the prudence of a reporter claiming, in the event they've seen anything. No one gets cleared, but the information and its implications could come in handy. There's more scum roles out there than mobile PR, so imo the reporter seeing ANYTHING is going to be helpful.

A couple impressions from my catchup while I'm still reading:

What's everyone's read on squiggs/balki/xorxes? Does anyone think they're scum? They don't seem like the sort of players who should go uninvestigated.

more later. 80 pages is going to take a while.

• Not applicable, Judge can't use his power two days in a row unfortunately.
• Perhaps it reveals information, perhaps it doesn't. What it does do is remove one town from the voting pool and make it more likely that we lynch scum.
• At this point, I think it's a gamble that the BA has to take. I just don't think it's an option to not kill someone.
• Perhaps it would, but reporter should only reveal if they have confirmed scum. But, I don't think the reporter should even reveal - they would get NKed and that does nothing for our chances of winning. Horrible idea in my opinion.

[teacon7]

Wait, if the assassin is lynched d1 but they already triggered the bomb, does the bomb still go off with them dead?

You mean if the blind assassin / SK is lynched?

I'd think so, but

##CALL GM: if the SK sets a bomb today, then we lynch him/her, would the bomb still go off?

[ChippeRock]

So the only way the TrPrado kill makes sense is if SK scanned him N1, got a PR result, and killed him entirely on that basis. It would have made sense for a TrPrado scan since he was scumread by several people D1. That means our BA could be among the D1 TrPrado voters. I just am not sure if going after the BA is helpful to us right now, but definitely something to keep in mind.

Going after the BA is a functional ML right now, isn't it? I suppose it spares us further deaths at night, but imo having that extra kill/scan directed towards scum is more helpful for both town/SK at present.

We've got to try our damnedest to not lynch the BA - because for how bad the BA has been so far, that would effectively kill our chances of getting back into the game.

[teacon7]

Let's take a moment of silence to regret the fact that TomBomb didn't die to the car bomb. @SK what were you thinking that would have been a great screenname riff.

[ChippeRock]

Wait, if the assassin is lynched d1 but they already triggered the bomb, does the bomb still go off with them dead?

What does it matter? It's a damn bomb anyways, it's not like it doesn't blow up when the person who placed it dies.

[ChippeRock]

Wait, if the assassin is lynched d1 but they already triggered the bomb, does the bomb still go off with them dead?

You mean if the blind assassin / SK is lynched?

I'd think so, but

##CALL GM: if the SK sets a bomb today, then we lynch him/her, would the bomb still go off?

Since when does the BA have a bomb?

[Squigs44]

I'm so done with people having not read or understood the OP. Please, everyone, before you make an argument or even a comment about a PR or mechanic, please reread the OP.

[ChippeRock]

Wait, if the assassin is lynched d1 but they already triggered the bomb, does the bomb still go off with them dead?

I assume so. Flav killed darg because of car bomb? Flav mafia would explain D1 nicely.

Perhaps, but the massive vote swap of 4 (which I, Carl, connor & Flav were a part of) to lynch bozo contained at least 1 town - since Carl was revealed as town.

[teacon7]

Thoughts on play hereforeward:

• The judge should NOT use his/her power until the innocent child is revealed. We don't want to get locked into voting for only one candidate because the other one gets gm-confirmed inno.
• If the innocent child reveals, does this bit of information help to reveal voting patterns that lynches us scum today? Having a confirmed town would make an obvious maf target, but there's a chance it gives info for today. We kinda need that.
• SK should probably not fire unless they're certain they're gonna hit scum. @SK: sniffing for maf PR would be way more helpful at this point.
• Let's discuss the prudence of a reporter claiming, in the event they've seen anything. No one gets cleared, but the information and its implications could come in handy. There's more scum roles out there than mobile PR, so imo the reporter seeing ANYTHING is going to be helpful.

• Not applicable, Judge can't use his power two days in a row unfortunately.
• Perhaps it reveals information, perhaps it doesn't. What it does do is remove one town from the voting pool and make it more likely that we lynch scum.
• At this point, I think it's a gamble that the BA has to take. I just don't think it's an option to not kill someone.
• Perhaps it would, but reporter should only reveal if they have confirmed scum. But, I don't think the reporter should even reveal - they would get NKed and that does nothing for our chances of winning. Horrible idea in my opinion.

re: points 3 and 4:

- SK/BA had better be REALLY sure then. imo the night scan is WAY more useful.

- interesting percentage calculations then: on any given person, there's a much greater chance right now that a scan revealing "person X is PR" ... will hit mafia. We can't know about Tom's role, but 5/6th of the maf team is PR. That means both the SK's scan and the reporter's watching has a greater chance of revealing maf. How would the reporter have "confirmed scum" anyway?

[teacon7]

Wait, if the assassin is lynched d1 but they already triggered the bomb, does the bomb still go off with them dead?

You mean if the blind assassin / SK is lynched?

I'd think so, but

##CALL GM: if the SK sets a bomb today, then we lynch him/her, would the bomb still go off?

Since when does the BA have a bomb?

Yeah I misread durga, and didn't check the OP until too late. my bad :/

[Durga]

Wait, if the assassin is lynched d1 but they already triggered the bomb, does the bomb still go off with them dead?

You mean if the blind assassin / SK is lynched?

I'd think so, but

##CALL GM: if the SK sets a bomb today, then we lynch him/her, would the bomb still go off?

teacon what.

no, the mafia assassin

[rdrivera2005]

There's only one town PR after the innocent child and the judge, and it's a pretty useless reporter.

Besides, scum haven't been aiming for PR, they're aiming for people who won't get mislynched. Pretty sure Tom is VT.

We're probably losing this game because this BA is so anti-town, agh.

Well, the Reporter isn't that useless and Balki is scum (or BA).

##vote Balki
##end

[ND]

Well this is getting really bad. If we don't do something to turn it around then it's game. I just don't know. I suppose any of the candidates I wrote up before EoN are decent choices, but the scum are literally running circles around us. I think it may be time to start thinking more out of the box.

[xorxes]

TOWN:
Carl
Durga
ND
Chippe
Tom

SCUM:
Squigs
Fox
Flavius
Nephthys
teacon
Espresso
rdrivera
Cruaader

This is Prado's N1 list, so I assume he scanned one of the people in red.

[ChippeRock]

Thoughts on play hereforeward:

• The judge should NOT use his/her power until the innocent child is revealed. We don't want to get locked into voting for only one candidate because the other one gets gm-confirmed inno.
• If the innocent child reveals, does this bit of information help to reveal voting patterns that lynches us scum today? Having a confirmed town would make an obvious maf target, but there's a chance it gives info for today. We kinda need that.
• SK should probably not fire unless they're certain they're gonna hit scum. @SK: sniffing for maf PR would be way more helpful at this point.
• Let's discuss the prudence of a reporter claiming, in the event they've seen anything. No one gets cleared, but the information and its implications could come in handy. There's more scum roles out there than mobile PR, so imo the reporter seeing ANYTHING is going to be helpful.

• Not applicable, Judge can't use his power two days in a row unfortunately.
• Perhaps it reveals information, perhaps it doesn't. What it does do is remove one town from the voting pool and make it more likely that we lynch scum.
• At this point, I think it's a gamble that the BA has to take. I just don't think it's an option to not kill someone.
• Perhaps it would, but reporter should only reveal if they have confirmed scum. But, I don't think the reporter should even reveal - they would get NKed and that does nothing for our chances of winning. Horrible idea in my opinion.

re: points 3 and 4:

- SK/BA had better be REALLY sure then. imo the night scan is WAY more useful.

- interesting percentage calculations then: on any given person, there's a much greater chance right now that a scan revealing "person X is PR" ... will hit mafia. We can't know about Tom's role, but 5/6th of the maf team is PR. That means both the SK's scan and the reporter's watching has a greater chance of revealing maf. How would the reporter have "confirmed scum" anyway?

We need the BA to kill someone and hope he kills scum - otherwise we're pretty much toast.

Sorry, forgot Reporter only reveals (effectively) PRs. But the point still stands that a PR is more likely to be scum.