Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[Durga]

100% EP would claim a PR role or leave it open to doing so if he was scum

Yes, now we're responding. Why would you wait until so late? You were requested to do so quite a few times, and now you do it? You're not helping me townread you.

Omg no one cares!!! This game isn't entirely about you!!! Get over yourself

[EspressoPatronum]

@Chippe

So, my analysis of Espresso's Day 1 is as follows: He appears to be trying to appear like he's contributing to the discussion (with his questions and opinions about things that are mostly unrelated to the current game - e.g., my VT claim, online vs IRL Mafia, & policy lynching) while also minimally contributing with reads. For the read he did make, I don't know how the fuck he made that read so early. His policy lynch vote on me is a safe vote. Overall, his first day looks very scummy.

12 pages is sufficient to make a read based off of consistency of play. Somebody was criticizing teacon's play, so I chimed in to say it was consistent with his town play from m1007.
It wasn't really a safe vote on you. I was the only one who stuck to it, and I had a somewhat divergent reason for staying there. Your VT shenanigans helped some people townread you, but I stayed on you because I think your play went past the spirit of the game.

I'm really not sure where his burst of anger came from, though its sudden jump from 0 to 100 makes it look scummy. Not much else during N1 though.

This is laughable. You consistently antagonize people in the forum and then play the victim card when they respond to you. Wake up, man.

Overall, his Day 2 participation is mostly, in my opinion, a result of him being on the chopping block. I'm sure he would've participated more since he said he now had more time to participate, but I think his neck being on the chopping block has led him to participate more. I disagree with his reasoning behind his VT claim, and I just don't think that his Day 2 was nearly enough to overcome his scummyness in Day 1.

My participation started ramping up even before the judge move. I completely agree that the judge caused me to participate far more than I normally would have.

[ChippeRock]

Agreed.

All of his scum reads are people who either dislike or disagree with him. Whether he's town or not, don't take what he says too seriously.

Coincidentally when you gave your readslist, you townread everyone who was voting et except Connor who you put as null.

Hardly surprising given that he said he thought the entire scum team on him.

Which scum would never be stupid enough to all vote onto 1 wagon. 4-2 is probably the worst case scenario.

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Espresso, what’s your Tom read again? Give me as much detail as possible.

[et]

sideloped?

Sorry, sideroped.

I'm sorry, I still don't understand.

I mean, in the early, EP and me get nearly votes. But afterward, EP get much more votes than me. I said about that as sideroped.

[Squigs44]

How the fuck does someone already get a read in the first 12 pages? Everyone's still in "not serious mode" - including teacon (as far as I can tell, he's really not done much in terms of playing the game seriously. You're off to a bad start, you already look scummy.

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Now's a more reasonable time to make a town read on teacon7. Still suspicious as hell to make it so damn early.

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It's all fun and games to have conversations like this, but you still haven't provided reads (emphasis on plural)!

I'm on mobile so refuting you point by point is going to be difficult for me right now, but here is a small example.

The first two points are criticizing EP for having reads too early.
The last point is criticizing EP for not having reads yet.

These are directly contradictory.

[ChippeRock]

100% EP would claim a PR role or leave it open to doing so if he was scum

Yes, now we're responding. Why would you wait until so late? You were requested to do so quite a few times, and now you do it? You're not helping me townread you.

Omg no one cares!!! This game isn't entirely about you!!! Get over yourself

OMG, why the hell would you wait until the last hour, when Espresso is on the chopping block, to finally state he's not scum, I swear! What is up with your flip flopping? And if that's good enough proof to prove to you Espresso isn't scum, than why did you even flip flop between them multiple times??

[Tom Bombadil]

That’s a dangerous assumption I’ve made before, it’s not always true. Particularity when there are only two allowable wagons

[ChippeRock]

How the fuck does someone already get a read in the first 12 pages? Everyone's still in "not serious mode" - including teacon (as far as I can tell, he's really not done much in terms of playing the game seriously. You're off to a bad start, you already look scummy.

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Now's a more reasonable time to make a town read on teacon7. Still suspicious as hell to make it so damn early.

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It's all fun and games to have conversations like this, but you still haven't provided reads (emphasis on plural)!

I'm on mobile so refuting you point by point is going to be difficult for me right now, but here is a small example.

The first two points are criticizing EP for having reads too early.
The last point is criticizing EP for not having reads yet.

These are directly contradictory.

Directly? How are they directly contradictory? One comment is for making a read 12 pages in!! The other is coming up with only 1 read - and that read was originally made 12 pages in!!

The 2nd one supports the 1st one.

[damo666]

Coincidentally when you gave your readslist, you townread everyone who was voting et except Connor who you put as null.

Hardly surprising given that he said he thought the entire scum team on him.

Which scum would never be stupid enough to all vote onto 1 wagon. 4-2 is probably the worst case scenario.

Not the point. EP said he thought all scum on him so you would expect et voters to be his townreads. The actual split is totally irrelevant. I'm just pointing out that Squigs post doesn't really say much.

[EspressoPatronum]

The tldr of Chippes reads is that he scumreads EP because EP pushed on Chippe and he townreads et because et helped him push Bozo.

Okay not really, but his reads are terribly biased.

Agreed.

All of his scum reads are people who either dislike or disagree with him. Whether he's town or not, don't take what he says too seriously.

Coincidentally when you gave your readslist, you townread everyone who was voting et except Connor who you put as null.

I believe he had 5 votes at the time. One was me, the other was Connor!null. I'm not sure if 3 townreads being on et says anything.

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT:

EspressoPatronum (9) - TrPrado, damo666, Foxcastle, et, Nephthys, FlaviusAetius, xorxes, Percy Williams, Balki Bartokomous
et (7) - rdrivera2005, connorcompton, EspressoPatronum, Squigs44, ND, Durga, Tom Bombadil

EspressoPatronum is scheduled to be lynched.

There are 30 minutes left.

Teacon and Peterlund must vote.

[Durga]

who in gods name is connor and where does he stand on anything

[EspressoPatronum]

Hardly surprising given that he said he thought the entire scum team on him.

Which scum would never be stupid enough to all vote onto 1 wagon. 4-2 is probably the worst case scenario.

Not the point. EP said he thought all scum on him so you would expect et voters to be his townreads. The actual split is totally irrelevant. I'm just pointing out that Squigs post doesn't really say much.

"most - if not all" is what I wrote.

4-2 is most. 5-1 is most. 6-0 is all.

[ChippeRock]

@Chippe

So, my analysis of Espresso's Day 1 is as follows: He appears to be trying to appear like he's contributing to the discussion (with his questions and opinions about things that are mostly unrelated to the current game - e.g., my VT claim, online vs IRL Mafia, & policy lynching) while also minimally contributing with reads. For the read he did make, I don't know how the fuck he made that read so early. His policy lynch vote on me is a safe vote. Overall, his first day looks very scummy.

12 pages is sufficient to make a read based off of consistency of play. Somebody was criticizing teacon's play, so I chimed in to say it was consistent with his town play from m1007.
It wasn't really a safe vote on you. I was the only one who stuck to it, and I had a somewhat divergent reason for staying there. Your VT shenanigans helped some people townread you, but I stayed on you because I think your play went past the spirit of the game.

I'm really not sure where his burst of anger came from, though its sudden jump from 0 to 100 makes it look scummy. Not much else during N1 though.

This is laughable. You consistently antagonize people in the forum and then play the victim card when they respond to you. Wake up, man.

Overall, his Day 2 participation is mostly, in my opinion, a result of him being on the chopping block. I'm sure he would've participated more since he said he now had more time to participate, but I think his neck being on the chopping block has led him to participate more. I disagree with his reasoning behind his VT claim, and I just don't think that his Day 2 was nearly enough to overcome his scummyness in Day 1.

My participation started ramping up even before the judge move. I completely agree that the judge caused me to participate far more than I normally would have.

The first 12 pages of this game was mostly part of the joke stage!! You can't come up with a read based on mostly the joke stage!

I still don't understand how one goes from 0 to 100 and gets all pissed off at me after appearing to be calm towards me the post minutes before. Makes no sense.

[damo666]

That’s a dangerous assumption I’ve made before, it’s not always true. Particularity when there are only two allowable wagons

What assumption?

[Squigs44]

Hardly surprising given that he said he thought the entire scum team on him.

Which scum would never be stupid enough to all vote onto 1 wagon. 4-2 is probably the worst case scenario.

Not the point. EP said he thought all scum on him so you would expect et voters to be his townreads. The actual split is totally irrelevant. I'm just pointing out that Squigs post doesn't really say much.

I just thought it was a little funny that EP was agreeing with my criticism when he himself was guilty of the same thing recently.

[Durga]

The first 12 pages of this game was mostly part of the joke stage!! You can't come up with a read based on mostly the joke stage!

WTF are you talking about. yes you can! you can come up with a read in ONE page. jfc

[Tom Bombadil]

That’s a dangerous assumption I’ve made before, it’s not always true. Particularity when there are only two allowable wagons

What assumption?

About the mafia splitting their vote as least 4-2

[Foxcastle]

I am following along on mobile but will be in a car for EOD. I think an Espresso flip is preferable to a tie at this point.