M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

[e.m.c^42]

as for my opinion on the seemingly reoccuring debate on "why scum would bus/kill godfather day 1" (or at least where I'm up to)

It could be that one or two of the players are really easily caught as scum/easily scummy + voted day 1, so it was better strategy to get someone to lead/promote lynches on the other two to get solidly townread (like, how likely is it in another game that scum would lynch two of their own? from vca to posting analysis, it would basically make someone unlynchable, or at least very unlikely to be).

- and damo was in the best position to be sacrificed, so they killed him.

[EspressoPatronum]

I still do not see the certainty about damo. Yes, town doesn't copy reads from another game. However, scum doesn't copy reads from another game. Nobody copies reads from another game. I seriously doubt damo went back to the last game and paraphrased your read, it was likely just a coincidence.

Well, we can ask damo after the game.

I was certain the read was a copy. This was not obvious to everyone, but it was to me. That led to as much certainty as one can have about damo being scum.

If you think I'm making the whole thing up, there's not much more I can say.

Me as scum lynching damo there would be as weird as it can get, but if you think that's more plausible than me being certain his read was a copy of mine... that's up to you.

Here is the issue I have. You say town doesn't copy reads from another game, therefore damo was scum. I could just as easily have said scum doesn't copy reads from another game, therefore damo was town. There is no good reason to do it as either alignment, therefore it is NAI.

I'd say scum has more reason to copy reads. They're trying to fake the whole thing, so why not copy something real from a past game?

[bozotheclown]

throwing tinfoil time! Is there any chance that both teacon and xorxes are faking this as scum? it's so...excessive, for lack of better wording.

Vashta is a viable wagon now as well, not just teacon and Durga.

[bozotheclown]

Well, we can ask damo after the game.

I was certain the read was a copy. This was not obvious to everyone, but it was to me. That led to as much certainty as one can have about damo being scum.

If you think I'm making the whole thing up, there's not much more I can say.

Me as scum lynching damo there would be as weird as it can get, but if you think that's more plausible than me being certain his read was a copy of mine... that's up to you.

Here is the issue I have. You say town doesn't copy reads from another game, therefore damo was scum. I could just as easily have said scum doesn't copy reads from another game, therefore damo was town. There is no good reason to do it as either alignment, therefore it is NAI.

I'd say scum has more reason to copy reads. They're trying to fake the whole thing, so why not copy something real from a past game?

I think damo does not need to resort to that as scum.

[xorxes]

I was hoping someone other than you would notice...

But, when you iso damo, it's really striking how few people he interacted with. Damo plays a very shy scum, so I really would not be surprized if he limited his interactions to his teammates.

On what games are you basing this assessment of damo's scum play?

I don't recall any in particular, but I'm sure I have caught him before.

I checked the three previous games where damo was scum, and I am sure that you have not caught him before.
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I'm sure I have but I'm not going to look what game it was right now. It's not very relevant anyway.

[EspressoPatronum]

I feel like Durga would be online and fighting more if she were actually Maf. She always goes out swinging irl.

[ND]

I think if you are on the fence about Teacon and Durga you should vote Vashta. It is just as viable as the other two.

[Foxcastle]

Vote Count 2.5

Durga (4) — teacon7, Percy Williams, VashtaNeurotic, MoscowFleet
teacon7 (3) — xorxes, Durga, FlaviusAetius
VashtaNeurotic (3) — bozotheclown, ND, EspressoPatronum

Durga is set to be lynched!

10 minutes remain in Day 2.

e.m.c^42 must cast a valid vote.

[FlaviusAetius]

Yes @teacon I could of swore vapor was a mafia, but he wasnt.

Thanks for the answer.
Why did you think he was mafia?

Because I thought he was bussing you

[teacon7]

After Vashta's suspicious D1, he seems OK with not getting involved D2 since he is not at risk of getting lynched. I would prefer to see Vashta lynched over Durga or teacon.

I'm pretty sure they are both town. teacon's partner is most likely Vapor/Flavius.

Let's lynch teacon, and if I'm wrong you can lynch me next if I'm not NKd.

let's not lynch me.

xorx has decided that there's no chance we're TvT. that's not reasonable. I'm not even voting to lynch him, am I?

xorx is trying to get me lynched.
I'm trying to solve the game
xorx is making it sound like he's already solved the game.
who is that certain in their reads? Are any of you?

[Durga]

I think I still think it should be teacon. We need a conclusion to the teacon v xorx battle and it shouldn't be xorx getting NK'd

[e.m.c^42]

Aw pity. Vapor subbed out - hope whatever you needed to leave for is resolved soon :)

and checking peterbot atm, all the wagons are uncomfortably close together.

[teacon7]

Yes @teacon I could of swore vapor was a mafia, but he wasnt.

Thanks for the answer.
Why did you think he was mafia?

Because I thought he was bussing you

lol that is NOT an answer. Why couldn't vapor have been town with a scumread?
What made vapor actually scummy? Anything?

[bozotheclown]

On what games are you basing this assessment of damo's scum play?

I don't recall any in particular, but I'm sure I have caught him before.

I checked the three previous games where damo was scum, and I am sure that you have not caught him before.

I'm sure I have but I'm not going to look what game it was right now. It's not very relevant anyway.
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I disagree that you potentially fabricating things is not relevant.

[xorxes]

It does not seem likely teacon as scum would lock himself into voting for damo over ND when they were the top wagons.

No, but if I'm not mistaken this was a restatement of things he had said before, so he was already locked at this point. Check me on that.

I checked, I could not find anything, but I do not know why a scum teacon would lock himself into a vote on damo earlier either.

He didn't lock himself into a vote on damo, he had him in his "second tier" or something like that, of people that were scummy but not D1 lynches. The problem was that ND was someone he said he had voted for only as a reaction test and not because he found him scummy, and none of his first tier candidates were available, so it was probably miscalculation on his part, not anticipating what the end of day would be like.

[EspressoPatronum]

I think I still think it should be teacon. We need a conclusion to the teacon v xorx battle and it shouldn't be xorx getting NK'd

I think it's fine to leave the argument at a simmer for now.

[Durga]

@bozo @xorx wtf is this fight

[VashtaNeurotic]

Oh yay it's 3 wide, just lovely

[teacon7]

I think I still think it should be teacon. We need a conclusion to the teacon v xorx battle and it shouldn't be xorx getting NK'd

if xorx is scum, he's not getting nk'd.

i'd rather resolve this reasonably. it looks like we need more time for that.

[bozotheclown]

After Vashta's suspicious D1, he seems OK with not getting involved D2 since he is not at risk of getting lynched. I would prefer to see Vashta lynched over Durga or teacon.

I'm pretty sure they are both town. teacon's partner is most likely Vapor/Flavius.

Let's lynch teacon, and if I'm wrong you can lynch me next if I'm not NKd.

If you are willing to commit to that, how about we lynch you first?