M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

[teacon7]

I laughed. What did Tom do that got him legendary status? He has an awesome username, I'll grant him that.

I am pretty sure once as was vt he faked claim cop and with his reads got mafia lynched and vig shot lol

Yeah - VT faked cop claim, got desperado to shoot two consecutive scum, baited NK with real cop still alive, desperado proceeded to shoot godfather, one of the remaining got scanned by real cop + lynched, last scum surrendered XD

wow yeah that that is pretty legendary. gg Tom.

[teacon7]

ugh. I feel like we're back in the stone age game.
guys guys grammar matters. it matters which phrases modify what words.

@emc - thanks for the clarity. This doesn't affect what looks like overqualifying hedginess from you, but I'm glad to have you clarify the wording.

Now: who are you going to vote for today?

Oh, so far the hedging has already been turned down a lot
this is attempting 'not hedging' for me XD

For voting, dunno. I will decide later. But not probably Vapor or ND.

Just for the record, this is true. I was triggered on his first game for the absurd amount of hedging emc did, but later realized it was just his style.

It still annoy me the lack of votes as it make hard to analyze later.

well shoot. my scumlean has similar reads as I do. now what?

[teacon7]

I have a VERY distinctive scum meta so this is actually just wrong but okay. It's not relevant right now.

If I was scum and ND was town I'd looove him alive right now. What would be a scum motivation for lynching a town!ND here? All he's doing is spamming and being irritating. That's so lovely for scum. I'd sit back and let him do dumb shit. So please explain to me a) why pushing ND is bad and 2) why I'd be more likely to do it as scum (and don't say I like an easy lynch because that's lazy)

I Don't like this post. Durga poses this hypothetical from the position of scum knowing ND is town, yet still pushes to lynch ND. This entire post smells fishey.

agreed.

@vapor - why percy and not like, durga?

@ND - you're just listing people voting for you. that's not constructive, that's reactive. can you give us a list of who is giving original thoughts and who isn't?

[teacon7]

Excellent content from Espresso and Vash. Townread both.

Also liking the content from Moscow and town leaning.

Fairly confident Durga is town.

Percy not so sure about.

Like to hear more from einstein and xorxes.

Bozo his usual logical self. Impossible to guess his alignment.

rdr moved to null.

ND subject of next post.

On phone, but I need to say this. Can someone please check my read of bozo from last game (when we were both scum) and put it next to damo's read of bozo here.

Damo, if you are scum with bozo I will have to sue you for copyright.

Heere it is:

bolded, from M45:

Leaning strong town on damo and Neph at the moment, because of EOD and general demeanor.

I don't like Moscow being away today but I suppose we can wait one day.

Durga and rivera are hard to read. I can see al least one of them being scum but I don't have anything concrete.

brainbomb becomes more obvious after someone flips scum because he has opinions about everybody.

bozo seems like his methodical self, but that's not too hard to fake as scum. Could be.

I'm keeping an eye on Jamiet. I didn't like Ezio at all but him being replaced means we can't really attribute anything nefarious to his absence.

Flavius, Yavu, Claesar, Vapor, worcej, dargo...

Yeah, I think I need to keep reading.

That's a pretty good match.

[e.m.c^42]

To be fair, I'm pretty that's what everyone else says about bozo most of the time.

[rdrivera2005]

Oh, so far the hedging has already been turned down a lot
this is attempting 'not hedging' for me XD

For voting, dunno. I will decide later. But not probably Vapor or ND.

Just for the record, this is true. I was triggered on his first game for the absurd amount of hedging emc did, but later realized it was just his style.

It still annoy me the lack of votes as it make hard to analyze later.

well shoot. my scumlean has similar reads as I do. now what?

If it's town reads it isn't a problem. Scum have pretty accurate town reads most of the time to get credibility.

[rdrivera2005]

To be fair, I'm pretty that's what everyone else says about bozo most of the time.

Bozo is hard to parse, specially in vanilla games. I usually misread him a lot.

[teacon7]

If it's town reads it isn't a problem. Scum have pretty accurate town reads most of the time to get credibility.

yeah in my experience there's usually one scum thrown in with the townreads to try to cover. It's too hard to tell rn.

[e.m.c^42]

To be fair, I'm pretty that's what everyone else says about bozo most of the time.

Bozo is hard to parse, specially in vanilla games. I usually misread him a lot.

His posts remind me of a bot sometimes, and I wonder if he's made a mafia-playing bot that he sets on the thread instead of him haha (would not be surprised if this was the case)

[teacon7]

To be fair, I'm pretty that's what everyone else says about bozo most of the time.

Bozo is hard to parse, specially in vanilla games. I usually misread him a lot.

I don't think this should give him a pass. People can hide behind a wall o' text research just as easily as hiding behind vitriol or fluff. rereads are needed, but I suppose I should actually get RL stuff done today.

[Vaporwave]

To be fair, I'm pretty that's what everyone else says about bozo most of the time.

Bozo is hard to parse, specially in vanilla games. I usually misread him a lot.

His posts remind me of a bot sometimes, and I wonder if he's made a mafia-playing bot that he sets on the thread instead of him haha (would not be surprised if this was the case)

what's interesting about bozo is his nick 'the clown' but then bozo is a very serious player who never makes jokes, there's not a hint of clown in him, it's all a trap when you think he would be funny

[ND]

They might be voting me but that doesn't matter. I already gave my thoughts on the game last night. I've pointed out good reasons to be suspect of all four of them just bcoz they are voting me doesn't mean shit

[rdrivera2005]

To be fair, I'm pretty that's what everyone else says about bozo most of the time.

Bozo is hard to parse, specially in vanilla games. I usually misread him a lot.

I don't think this should give him a pass. People can hide behind a wall o' text research just as easily as hiding behind vitriol or fluff. rereads are needed, but I suppose I should actually get RL stuff done today.

I don't think he should get a free pass (no one should). But it's hard to read him on D1 (the same is valid for you and me to be honest). People who are usually logic and controlled are hard to get a read on D1 and are hardly an early lynch.

[xorxes]

To be fair, I'm pretty that's what everyone else says about bozo most of the time.

Bozo is hard to parse, specially in vanilla games. I usually misread him a lot.

Not the point at all. It's not the content that's remarkable but the wording.

Especially considering that my reads were in response to a question by damo, damo responded to them, so it's not like he was unaware.

Now he knows I was scum, and he uses the same (atypical?) construction to read him?

[xorxes]

Bozo is hard to parse, specially in vanilla games. I usually misread him a lot.

I don't think this should give him a pass. People can hide behind a wall o' text research just as easily as hiding behind vitriol or fluff. rereads are needed, but I suppose I should actually get RL stuff done today.

I don't think he should get a free pass (no one should). But it's hard to read him on D1 (the same is valid for you and me to be honest). People who are usually logic and controlled are hard to get a read on D1 and are hardly an early lynch.

This discussion needs to be about damo, not about bozo at this point.

[teacon7]

I don't think he should get a free pass (no one should). But it's hard to read him on D1 (the same is valid for you and me to be honest). People who are usually logic and controlled are hard to get a read on D1 and are hardly an early lynch.

Fair enough, sure. let's not rule it out. Who do you think would be a good information lynch rn?

[Durga]

I have looked into this further and I can't find any game that this conclusion could be based on, am I missing something?

There is a game where he did this exact thing. He was scum with yavuz. I can't remember the number though.

He didn't, he lurked a lot on this game and posted eventually some shitty analysis, not like this where he practically offered himself as a wagon. And you lynched me over him that game so you should know better....

You're still salty and need to get over that. We won anyway

[teacon7]

They might be voting me but that doesn't matter. I already gave my thoughts on the game last night. I've pointed out good reasons to be suspect of all four of them just bcoz they are voting me doesn't mean shit

Fine, but you have to admit it looks rather convenient though. Confirmation bias is town's worst enemy.

Do you remember what page your thoughts were on?

[rdrivera2005]

To be fair, I'm pretty that's what everyone else says about bozo most of the time.

Bozo is hard to parse, specially in vanilla games. I usually misread him a lot.

Not the point at all. It's not the content that's remarkable but the wording.

Especially considering that my reads were in response to a question by damo, damo responded to them, so it's not like he was unaware.

Now he knows I was scum, and he uses the same (atypical?) construction to read him?

I am voting him....

But honestly, why would he copy your read, considering you both were scum? This makes no sense. I think he might have given a generic read on Bozo, based on what most people say about him.

[Durga]

Agree too, Durga is usually a lot more confrontational as town. Of course she could change meta, but I doubt it's the case. Anyway, I don't like her push on ND too, because it's lazy, it's like pushing Brain on D1.

Not quite the same, bomb has a history of acting spastic whereas ND never behaved like this before, I saw him in 2 games and there was never a problem. Something changed with him.

ND and Durga have a historic of confrontations and let's be honest, ND isn't exactly a friendly and sympathetic guy, so it's not only about content. I am not saying he is town, he didn't give content enough to get a town read, I just don't see why people is so sure about him being scum and at least two people (Durga and Patronum) said that it would be a good lynch even if he is town, which is utterly stupid as we only have 3 myslinches.

It's not that if we knew he was town he'd be a good lynch, it's just that in the worst case scenario that he is town, he's probably a) going to be mislynched anyway at some point and b) he's contributing nothing and voting only based on omgus so there could be worse town to die