MAFIA 44: 'DREAMLAND' GAME THREAD

[Ezio]

wait I just realized that Ezio slipped and called me a shit town

but then claimed he had a scumlean on me

lol

Oh yea absolutely a slip. You caught me *shrugs* Never before have I put inconsistencies in my reads of players. Does this change your read of me at all?

which am I then, stop dodging the question

It's inconsistent for a reason dipshit. You've played scummily but I just think you're bad. In the past I've made the mistake of not sharing my observations about scummy behavior because I personally wrote it off as purely shit play while other players decided they cared about that scummy behavior.

[thamrick]

Anyone else feel like LQ is very over-the-top and forced here? Doesn't make sense to me

[RagingIke297]

I've voted before, but ##vote Ezio

[dargorygel]

I kinda pointed that out myself, ezio.
It's because I see the logic here. Kill the alien.

[Ezio]

I don't know why we wouldn't want to get the alien D1. I don't really see what ezio hoped to gain if he IS the alien... nor what he hoped to gain if he is NOT the alien, either scum or town.

But the chance to get the alien d1 is too much for me to pass up.

Even though folk I usually respect in here disagree. I just don't buy (or understand?) their arguments.

Ah Darg responded to my own post before I made it.

[xorxes]

Which reads you don't agree? I agree with most of his reads to be honest, disagree only about emc.

It would be easier to cite examples if the bot was working. For one, there is this:

If todays top wagons can be between Ezio, Ike and Damo thatd make me pretty content actually.

I do not like any of those wagons. Then there was a fairly strong town read of Jamie, and what I thought was an early scum read of e.m.c^42. I thought you agreed with Vecna about e.m.c^42, what do you now disagree about?

I don't have a solid scumread on EMC, but also don't have a townread, I find he isn't giving much content like last games. After Vecna's last message, I think we probably have the same feeling about him. I don't fully agree with lynching Ezio, but he being a wagon is pretty obvious after claiming Alien.

rdrivera is saying all the right things. I'm liking him for now.

[e.m.c^42]

Mhh with more thought, dead alien is worth a lot more than vca of day 1 later on

##vote ezio

[Ezio]

Anyone else feel like LQ is very over-the-top and forced here? Doesn't make sense to me

Eh he's def over the top but he's still over the top in a shitty fashion. I don't have evidence that he's super aware and self conscious of his own meta like Jamiet so that alone is NAI IMO

[ND]

VC7
Ezio(8):. Damo, Percy, Darg, Jamiet, LordQuas, bozotheclown, Worcej, RagingIke
RagingIke(3): Rd, Nephthys, xorxes
Damo(2): vecna, Ezio
Dargorygel(2): thamrick, bo_sox
LordQuas(1): Vaporware
Nephtys(1): Squigs
Jamiet99uk(1): MoscowFleet

e.m.c^42 needs to vote (if I missed it apologies been doing this by hand due to the bot and being at work all day)

EZIO is set to be LYNCHED

34 minutes remain

[xorxes]

If Vecna did draw scum, I am sure he would put a lot of effort into coming across the same as he does as town.

Isn't it like, Vecna's meta that he obv-towns as town and obv-scums by not obv-towning as scum?

But... bozo gonna bozo gonna bozo

Also, why does disagreeing with someone = scumread? I kinda had this argument with Vecna last game, ironically

I do not think I have ever seen Vecna play as scum, so I do not know his scum meta, but I am confident he would try to duplicate his town meta.

Also, of course it is possible for two town to disagree, but I think it is useful to be suspicious of things players say that you do not agree with, since the scum are forced to fabricate things to say.

One thing I remember of scum Vecna is that he defended teammate HR (or maybe Balki, not too sure about that) ferociously and I caught them both for that.

[LordQuas]

Oh yea absolutely a slip. You caught me *shrugs* Never before have I put inconsistencies in my reads of players. Does this change your read of me at all?

which am I then, stop dodging the question

It's inconsistent for a reason dipshit. You've played scummily but I just think you're bad. In the past I've made the mistake of not sharing my observations about scummy behavior because I personally wrote it off as purely shit play while other players decided they cared about that scummy behavior.

from what I've seen you're infinitely worse than me, I don't ever see a good player doing what you did today

you're more toxic here, where are all the webdip ppl coming out to call you out for being toxic as hell and insulting me?

stop pushing your own insecurities onto other people

[LordQuas]

Anyone else feel like LQ is very over-the-top and forced here? Doesn't make sense to me

I've been tame as hell

[xorxes]

It would be easier to cite examples if the bot was working. For one, there is this:



I do not like any of those wagons. Then there was a fairly strong town read of Jamie, and what I thought was an early scum read of e.m.c^42. I thought you agreed with Vecna about e.m.c^42, what do you now disagree about?

For example, rather than just disagreeing with the wagons - why do you think Vecna is fine with these wagons? Do you think he scumreads all three? What's his motivation for wanting these wagons? Do you have strong reads on any of these players and why?

I am not sure what these questions are an example of. However, if Vecna is town, I assume he thinks there is at least a chance each of these three are not town. If he is scum, he is agreeing with some obvious lynch candidates. RagingIke and Ezio are basically trying to draw votes.

Do you think trying to draw votes is generally a townie thing to do? brainbomb did that last game as scum.

[Ezio]

Hey everybody!

I'm absolutely NOT the alien. I figure holding onto the fakeclaim until 30 mins before EoD is long enough to get serious reactions yet gives enough time for wagons to reform. Maybe this was too long (maybe not long enough!)

In general people reacted about as I would have expected them to, and I made a note of the important exceptions to that, specifically Jamiet's reaction.

In general I think jumping onto my wagon was scummy, particularly those who did it later in the day (but I like einstein's vote for some reason).

[dargorygel]

ok
##vote LordQuas

just gut feeling.

[Ezio]

which am I then, stop dodging the question

It's inconsistent for a reason dipshit. You've played scummily but I just think you're bad. In the past I've made the mistake of not sharing my observations about scummy behavior because I personally wrote it off as purely shit play while other players decided they cared about that scummy behavior.

from what I've seen you're infinitely worse than me, I don't ever see a good player doing what you did today

you're more toxic here, where are all the webdip ppl coming out to call you out for being toxic as hell and insulting me?

stop pushing your own insecurities onto other people

K buddy. Sorry for hurting your feelings.

[dargorygel]

LQ... why do you seem so angry and jumpy?

[Ezio]

For example, rather than just disagreeing with the wagons - why do you think Vecna is fine with these wagons? Do you think he scumreads all three? What's his motivation for wanting these wagons? Do you have strong reads on any of these players and why?

I am not sure what these questions are an example of. However, if Vecna is town, I assume he thinks there is at least a chance each of these three are not town. If he is scum, he is agreeing with some obvious lynch candidates. RagingIke and Ezio are basically trying to draw votes.

Do you think trying to draw votes is generally a townie thing to do? brainbomb did that last game as scum.

Hey Xorxes, how do you feel about my reaction test? Do I get any sort of points for it (FWIW if you said it earlier I might have missed it b/c I don't have peterbot to help find)

[Squigs44]

Still not liking Neph. I have never seen him play this way, and it looks to me like he is trying to just fly under the radar.

[MoscowFleet]

Lynching Ezio today would be a braindead move. He's actually done a terrific job of drawing plenty of reactions.

I'm going to double down on ##vote Jamie. He has absolutely not been his over-the-top town self. He's also gotten hung up wayyyy too much on Ezio which was so fucking obvious from the start that it was a reaction test.

A few people have said they scumread Jamie, care to join me?