Mafia 42 - Space Ghost Coast to Coast - OFFICIAL GAME THREAD

[Vecna]

##VOTE Bozotheclown

Really hope this and DT's vote is not how Bozo's wagon got started yesterday. That wouldve been a trashtier reason.

He still has failed to towntell at all up until this point, but holy crap.

[Vecna]

wolfteam
ghug
vecna
tom bomb
rdrivera
lord quas
bozo


BOOOOOOM

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And the award for worst reads in a game ever goes to.......

[Vecna]

my contributions have unearthed entire wolfteams pretty regularly across hundreds of games

I guess they must've all been on MU? Because that literally never happened here.

[Vecna]

If your best defence argument is based on the gambler's fallacy then I have no sympathy for you.

sigh Jamie

how can I communicate with you like a normal person

I don't know how to tell you to become normal.

Maybe seek some kind of therapy? Were you abandoned as a child? Did your daddy beat you? I don't know what to tell you.

I continue to 100% waffle on Jamiet. Normally theres always a few posts that make me 100% townlock him. It hasnt happened yet this game. He might still be town but the fact there have been no clear indicators for me is worrying.

[Vecna]

CrimsonFox wagon much.
Jamiet99uk
Day-1 03:35
page 65 / orig I am going to review the low posters as I'm on my phone, it's possible, and they tend to go unnoticed.


​Peterlund

Peterlund has posted three times.

His first post is a complaint that Durga is not in the game. Aw.

His second post provides a list of hedgy reads on about half a dozen people, and a vote for CF because CF is "arrogant" and "has something to hide"...

Well that's a great reason for a vote. Oh, no, it isn't.

His third post repeats how he thinks CF is "hiding something" (by directly quoting his previous post).

That's it. Peter's entire contribution.

SCUMLEAN

I dont like this

Why didnt you like this? That type of matter-of-factly type of analysis is exactly in-line with Jamiet's normal modus operandi

[Vecna]

Ill spare you quoting the whole game but Jamie only looks like wolf with ghug.

ask me why

why?

Xorxes I expect some well thought-out posts from you within the next 24 hours where you explain some reasoning and reads. It better be convincing. If not, im coming for you tomorrow.

[Vecna]

said them like twice. Therefore he's town.
Ezio
Day-1 37:11
page 20 / orig Doubting Thomas is actually town though,

and Crimson Fox has looked horrible.

I would absolutely be ##vote Crimson Fox, if it wasn't 100% certain that he was actually vengeful townie with his shot on me.

Lol this is great reasoning

Page 90-105 is only Brainbomb, Cfox, Jamiet, DT and a little bit of Ghug, Xorxes and Quas' talking.

Hardly none of it is any indicator of allignment, except DT's posts further strengthening the townread there.

Brainbomb and Cfox are just contiuing to drown the thread in complete nonsense. Not a single proper read is formulated here. In the meantime its giving all others, which also contain a bunch of scum an excuse to not be able to properly interact with this game.

It needs to stop.

[Vecna]

Town
Ezio
Vaporwave
Xorxes
Jamie
Moscow
DoubtingThomas
Thamrick
e.m.c
damo666

null
vecna
whoever else is left
rivera

scum
ghug
bozo
tombomb
lord quadricepts

What have I done for you to townread me?

What an honest question

[Vecna]

i'm not red anymore?

yer town now by POE
lynch ghug

A POE with only 4 scumreads?

What a bullshit reason

[Vecna]

LOLOL

brainbomb (5)
Jamiet99uk bozotheclown ghug RagingIke297 CrimsonFox

Wait was this wagon accurate at this point in time? Itd explain the hyper-posting-type of "look at me analyzing stuff and spewing random bullshit reasons".

[Vecna]

So, RIP flash.

The mass scan claims if fucking dumb in a game this size. Every one of you had a 27% chance, on pure odds alone, to eliminate yourselves from the cop pool for scum. By this I would say at least one of those pushing it is scum.

Bozo's omgus vote is horrifically bad. Like that was a rabid defense against brain, and bozo has played with brain enough to know he will thorw everything at the wall to see what sticks.

On the laziest reread in history I would lean toward tom, damo, or darg based on the NK. THD doesn't look good either but I don't feel like he could lobby for that kill as much as the first three.

@DemonRHK - can you explain the last part? Why do you think tom/damo/darg specifically would settle on that NK? Why does THD ever even factor in that talk?

The first 2 bulletpoints I can get behind, and get your thought process, but im not grasping your last argument at all.

I really would like an explenation of this.

[Vecna]

Ketchup 3
Enough had changed where I decided to totally rewrite

Dead Player
ND - Vanilla Town
flash - Vanilla Town

ND was the day one lynch, with thdfrance and crimsonfox being close candidates. He was Vanilla Town

In what was at first a really bizarre move, flash was the N1 kill, but Tom pointed out where flash had cop breadcrumbed so that was prolly why he was the kill

there were some n1 seer peaks which I would suggest checking out (I peeked bb)

brainbomb claimed doctor which I believe, aside from that I also think he's mildly towny

jamie is back to his usual angry self and dt/bb vs jamie took up enough pages for me to feel a lot better on the lot of them (not that I really needed to feel better on dt)

dt is very towny, strong solving, good tone, everything solid. My top town and should be yours too

Tom has had strong critical analysis I think, saying the right things at the right time for the most part. But the conclusions he's had have felt off, specifically with Ezio, who he defends for the limpest pasta reasons ever, make me feel really bad about that slot

Ezio, speaking of, has a not much content, a weird obsession with defending Tom over all else, and a lot of personal insults. Also I just noticed while ISOing him that he knows I was banned from MU, which I don't think was ever mentioned in the sign up or game thread, but he didn't even know if MU was a forum or live discord mafia... which feels fishy to me

emc is continuing what they did d1. Their posting style of a new player that has intimate knowledge of some things and complete gaps in other basic mechanics, as well as their more commentary focused posting makes some ppl sus, and others claim they're in town core. Personally I'm a town lean but I've seen more then enough players get cleared b/c "wow look they're so pure" and a lot of first time players that rand wolf are advised to townslip

Neph this game has been pretty towny once he started actually posting that read list stuff, and Vapor feels ~aight. I also don't *really* remember too much from either of them though so that should be a bad sign, tho I think I've been around at different times and I tend to remember less skimming through the thread then actively engaging with ppl, but that might also mean they're not actively seeking out engagement as much? I feel like I'm most likely to misread them here so assistance needed, but both seem to be ~mostly townread by people

Vecna fluctuates around people's read lists, as well as ghug. Vecna doesn't look great upon re reads, and they haven't stuck their neck out for much of anything yet so I'm not feeling great. Ghug fluctuates between extremely towny and is this dude open wolfing for me, and this seems to be reflected with the rest of the game. Right now he's solidly in town for how he played this SoD2 though for me

xorxes, damo, thamrick, demon, and bozo are all low posters who I dislike and wouldn't mind seeing any of them axed. Damo I think looks especially bad among them

Ike has gathered some deserved heat for his willingness to bury brainbomb today, it felt SO agenday and willing to jump the gun to kill someone for an obvious taunt that was a joke, that coupled with him not being great otherwise makes him look pretty bad to me

darg looked better then last game to me because of slight differences in how they approached solving (last time as a wolf she lurked and waited for ppl to call her out, this time she subbed in and before anyone even mentioned her made some passable reads). But the longer she avoids truly engaging with the game the worse I'm gonna feel about her

Finally, squigs and peter are still in this game, did anyone forget that? lol

Squigs is in this game? Isnt he the GM?

[Vecna]

Jamiet99uk
Day-1 27:58
page 29 / orig All this solving has given me an appetite.

I'm going to have dinner with a beautiful woman.

I'll be back later

Jamie probably town if he paid for dinner

I feel like this sums up the forcedness. A crazy brain iso dump is insane, but it's detailed and it's focused. This is "haha look how random i am xDDDD", and everything around it is single sentences that simultaneously look arbitrary and shallow and have easily followable logic. Neither are things I'd expect. The whole thing is also reactive to people talking about him and Jamie, rather than him getting tweaked by some tiny thing and turning it into something huge. He hinted at a couple of those (the vague Vecna read), but they haven't materialized.

Pretty solid read on Brainbomb. Accurately worded, and the proper way to read Brainbomb for the most part. This is where LordQuas is getting it completely wrong.

[Vecna]

either way with him claiming doc I really don't want to lynch him today

This is such a terrible reason

[Vecna]

either way with him claiming doc I really don't want to lynch him today

If you claim every time you come under pressure, it's not a get out of jail free card anymore.

Note to self: Whenever Ghug's posting does make you not want to lynch him, he is always scum.

The fact he's so convincing and fluent this game should not be ignored.

[Vecna]

explain why it feels forced, what is different then townbomb

Doesn't really have too much to do with the content of brain's posts, but it's possible that people's views of him are skewed this game due to his "niche" being shared partially by other players this time---like, what I mean is, people tend to recall him as either spammy, thought-bouncy, with occasional brilliance that leaves people wondering xd, or being otherwise active to promote activity in the thread.
However (correct me if I'm wrong, perception is likely skewed due to me actually playing rather than just stalking the thread) there's more live-time interactions, or just activity in general. Me, Cfox, Quas--we've been sorta overtaking that niche, and decreasing the contrast in feeling.

It's more to do with his consistency. Brainbomb as town can't keep a thought straight to save his life. He usually gets his wires crossed, and his theories become increasingly chaotic. This is exceptionally obvious at night, when there's little to no action besides him.

As scum, he attempts to do the same. He usually keeps up his post count and fakeclaiming (the most obvious parts of his meta), but he usually follows a train of through to its conclusion.

Almost likes Ezio just decided to c/p Ghugs reasoning and rephrase the exact same argument 5 minutes later.

[Vecna]

You're probably scum.

Brainbomb is probably scum.

Lord quas is a bad rager, but NAI.

Ghug is town, Tom is town, Vecna is town.

is it bad I like this response

Its only logical to like it. Ezio's posts mightve been very limited, but I think ive liked nearly all of them.

[Vecna]

Oh yea Doubting Thomas is very probably town.

Peterlund is town unless he's drastically changed his meta, so props to him if he's scum.

I like einstein. Very likely town, but new so harder for me to read.

RHK feels scummy.

Moscow feels scummy.

This post im not so hot about. im pretty much the opposite on all except einstein and DT.

But then again, im not the best at reading the category of players like RHK/MF/Ezio/Ike

[Vecna]

ghug is trying to rely too much on procedural lynches rather than laying down reasonable arguments. Hes using diatribes and methodical envy to put out his own agenda.

Scum ghug relies on plausible deniability, and idiocy of town. He gets what he wants, when he wants it because town stumbles into the paths he creates


when ghug is town he creates free flowing paths for players to consider and he doesnt focus on procedures. He just feels what he feels, and its a bit snappy, kinda unfocused but it does spew him town.

ghug is settling on what he knows he can get away with from the upper echelon players like xorxes, tombomb, rivera, vecna, ezio types.

Interesting look on it. Probably has a bunch of truth to it.

[Vecna]

ghug is scum and its likely theres at least 3 town in Tom bomb, Vecna and Ezio.

A list of three people of whom "at least" three are likely town?

Do you think it's possible that more than three of Tom, Vecna and Ezio are town?

Fucking hell