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Re: Mafia Invitational - Welcome to Wakanda

#1121 Post by Durga » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:03 pm

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Balki Bartokomous (4) xorxes, bozotheclown, Foxcastle, Vecna
Foxcastle (2) Balki Bartokomous, ghug
bozotheclown (2) Ezio, rdrivera2005
Ezio (1) damian

Balki is set

You have 57 minutes

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#1122 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:05 pm

ghug, you are right about what you are saying, generally.

Here is my biggest fear on Ezio. I fear that, given the closed setup, he came up with the idea to be bizarre, outlandish, and fake-knowledgey, and he is using that to get town reads.

He is definitely doing stuff that I usually read as towny because it is so conspicuous. I have a slight fear that he is one step ahead, however, and that he is clever scum putting on a show.

But...it's a tough one. I'd rather not lynch him today.

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#1123 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:07 pm

Okay, my town reads remain Xorx, Vecna, and Damian.

Damian, I think you're playing well.

Vecna and Xorx, if you're not scum, you guys suck. Terrible, terrible mislynch. If you're scum, well played.

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#1124 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:09 pm

Anyone else have a question for me to answer or a task they'd like me to do? I have a bit of time now, and I feel like this may be my last 50 minutes to post here.

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#1125 Post by damian » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:09 pm

Ezio said he was scum reading Fox, but didn’t have a case it was based on. Offered up a vague reason, that I showed to be false. Setting himself up to move to Foxy if he gets lynched for town cred? Without actually increasing the chance of him being lynched.

Sees the wagon starting to build and throws shade at Balki and myself. To try and justify why he isn’t move to Fox. When he had already said he wanted to give Balki another turn.

Suffice to say I don’t agree with your assessment Ghug.

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#1126 Post by ghug » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:11 pm

He remains a concern, Balki. I wasn't him to play more again tomorrow. I don't want to lynch him today.

Why do you townread Damian? Is there anything beyond the fact that you think he had good reads early?

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#1127 Post by Foxcastle » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:12 pm

xorxes wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:29 pm
Foxcastle wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:52 pm
He looks better more recently, or maybe I'm just biased because I like his vote on Balki. That said, I am skeptical that Balki and Bozo would be scum together.
Why are you skeptical?

I don't know if you already did this, but could you list your seven unknowns from scummiest to towniest? (Or the other way around if you prefer.)
Scum

Balki
Bozo
Damian
Rdrviera
Xorxes
Ezio
Vecna

Town

Or maybe it's Ezio/Xorxes, those are close.

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#1128 Post by xorxes » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:17 pm

Foxcastle wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:12 pm
xorxes wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:29 pm
Foxcastle wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:52 pm
He looks better more recently, or maybe I'm just biased because I like his vote on Balki. That said, I am skeptical that Balki and Bozo would be scum together.
Why are you skeptical?

I don't know if you already did this, but could you list your seven unknowns from scummiest to towniest? (Or the other way around if you prefer.)
Scum

Balki
Bozo
Damian
Rdrviera
Xorxes
Ezio
Vecna

Town

Or maybe it's Ezio/Xorxes, those are close.
So you don't believe your top two could be scum together?

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#1129 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:17 pm

This could be conf bias, but I think the current vote count makes a ton of sense with a Fox/Bozo/rdrivera scum team:
Durga wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:03 pm
Vote count
Balki Bartokomous (4) xorxes, bozotheclown, Foxcastle, Vecna
Foxcastle (2) Balki Bartokomous, ghug
bozotheclown (2) Ezio, rdrivera2005
Ezio (1) damian

Balki is set

You have 57 minutes
Scum would be delighted to lynch me. I am active and aggressive, and sometimes I solve games. So two scum buckets on my wagon to push it through sounds right.

rdrivera has played timid and trying to stay out of the spotlight. I think him camping a vote to distance himself from a partner sounds about right too.

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#1130 Post by Foxcastle » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:19 pm

xorxes wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:17 pm
Foxcastle wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:12 pm
xorxes wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:29 pm


Why are you skeptical?

I don't know if you already did this, but could you list your seven unknowns from scummiest to towniest? (Or the other way around if you prefer.)
Scum

Balki
Bozo
Damian
Rdrviera
Xorxes
Ezio
Vecna

Town

Or maybe it's Ezio/Xorxes, those are close.
So you don't believe your top two could be scum together?
Oh, I do, I just think Bozo can wait and if Balki gets away, then he'll continue to wreak havoc. He's like Brainbomb with a law degree.

The third scum is a question. I'd dig into Damian after that, but... there's a big gap between Bozo and Damian.

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#1131 Post by xorxes » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:21 pm

@damian, could you please make your vote useful?

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#1132 Post by rdrivera2005 » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:21 pm

Back from a long afternoon at work. Will be around until EOD but need to cook dinner to my daughter.

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#1133 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:22 pm

ghug wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:11 pm
Why do you townread Damian? Is there anything beyond the fact that you think he had good reads early?
Two main things:

(1) It's not just that he had good reads early. He was putting out fires on mislynch targets who turned out town. I don't really remember the specifics on this, but here is an example: people who were town reading ghug on Day 2, or defending ghug on Day 2 look pretty towny now. The reason is that ghug was a great mislynch candidate for scum, and they had no idea that you would flip before they could lynch you. I don't recall if Damian town read ghug on Day 2, but I do recall that he was town reading a few townies who seemed like good mislynch targets for scum.

(2) His progression on me is quite towny. He pushed me early, with little help from anyone. That was a fight that I don't think many scum players would pick on their own. Then when my lynch became likely, he came around on at least not scum reading me, and he has pushed against my lynch. That is how I expect town to play it -- it's the opposite of what I expect to see from scum.

I feel about as good about Town Damian read as I do about anything.

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#1134 Post by xorxes » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:23 pm

Foxcastle wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:19 pm
xorxes wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:17 pm
Foxcastle wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:12 pm


Scum

Balki
Bozo
Damian
Rdrviera
Xorxes
Ezio
Vecna

Town

Or maybe it's Ezio/Xorxes, those are close.
So you don't believe your top two could be scum together?
Oh, I do, I just think Bozo can wait and if Balki gets away, then he'll continue to wreak havoc. He's like Brainbomb with a law degree.

The third scum is a question. I'd dig into Damian after that, but... there's a big gap between Bozo and Damian.
But you had just said you were skeptical they were scum together (in the part you deleted).

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#1135 Post by damian » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:24 pm

Fine. It is very clear at this point nobody else is willing to move to Ezio with me.

##Vote Fox.

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#1136 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:27 pm

@Fox, do you have any doubt at all about your Balki read?

Also, why do you think you were null on me all D1 and D2, and now I am your strongest scum read?

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#1137 Post by rdrivera2005 » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:28 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:17 pm
This could be conf bias, but I think the current vote count makes a ton of sense with a Fox/Bozo/rdrivera scum team:
Durga wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:03 pm
Vote count
Balki Bartokomous (4) xorxes, bozotheclown, Foxcastle, Vecna
Foxcastle (2) Balki Bartokomous, ghug
bozotheclown (2) Ezio, rdrivera2005
Ezio (1) damian

Balki is set

You have 57 minutes
Scum would be delighted to lynch me. I am active and aggressive, and sometimes I solve games. So two scum buckets on my wagon to push it through sounds right.

rdrivera has played timid and trying to stay out of the spotlight. I think him camping a vote to distance himself from a partner sounds about right too.
It's confirmation bias. I can vote you if this will make you more happy. More seriously, if the scumteam were Fox, Bozo and me the one to detach and bus would be Bozo, as me and Fox are already attached after last day. In fact, Fox could be trying to buddy me, this is one thing I am considering after Squigs flip.

I don't think I have played timid, I am not a big poster, but this is NAI and I didnt stayed in the sidelines.

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#1138 Post by Foxcastle » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:29 pm

xorxes wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:23 pm
Foxcastle wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:19 pm
xorxes wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:17 pm


So you don't believe your top two could be scum together?
Oh, I do, I just think Bozo can wait and if Balki gets away, then he'll continue to wreak havoc. He's like Brainbomb with a law degree.

The third scum is a question. I'd dig into Damian after that, but... there's a big gap between Bozo and Damian.
But you had just said you were skeptical they were scum together (in the part you deleted).
To be clear, I didn't delete it, it's just that quote levels drop off as things get requoted.

And I don't actually remember what I was thinking when I typed that. I had just come out of a reread of Bozo, though, and maybe I was exchanging one tunnel for another. Because I also have very little idea of who to investigate for the third.

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#1139 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:29 pm

I hate getting mislynched so much!

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#1140 Post by Durga » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:30 pm

Vote count
Balki Bartokomous (4) xorxes, bozotheclown, Foxcastle, Vecna
Foxcastle (3) Balki Bartokomous, ghug, damian
bozotheclown (2) Ezio, rdrivera2005

Balki -> out

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