MINI MAFIA IV GAME THREAD

[bozotheclown]

im asking you who you are scumreading as his team. also ill save u tonight and track xorx

Is this a doctor claim, or did I miss a previous doctor claim?

[Nephthys]

Ok, I like the explanation from worcej as to why he held the claim.

##vote Jamie

[Nephthys]

Also, I am going to head off in like an hour and then may only get a chance to check 2-3hrs before EOD. I have a presentation starting at 9am (EOD here) and so would be shocked if I'm around.

I will do my best though

[bozotheclown]

Thinking about the mechanics of it,

We are down to 6/3, a mislynch here and NK puts it at MYLO (4/3).
We then obviously hit the scum putting it at 4/2.
NK (3/2)
That effectively makes it MYLO for the rest of the game.

If scum were to fakeclaim tomorrow in situation 1 (mislynch) or 2(lynch). Assuming we then mislynch (as that would be the reason for the scum claim)

1,
Its 4/3, scum claims in MYLO and can win

2,
Its 5/2, scum claims making it 4/2,
NK 3/2
Lynch 3/1
MYLO again.

Overall, I can see the reason for scum claiming today. It's a calculated risk although one that requires a little bit of luck. I personally an interested as to why worcej waited so long and why Jamie. Those I think will be key to me personally working out whether this is real or not.

Have you considered in this that if worcej's claim was fake, there would be a counterclaim today?

[bozotheclown]

@Nephthys: Sorry, cross post.

[Nephthys]

Results of re-read of Jamie as promised,

Note, I am personally viewing the whole terrorist/mafia thing as NAI as I think reading into it gets a little reachy.

Day 1

There are three parts I see to D1 Jamie
- The Xorxes/Damo case
- The bozo attack
- EOD

The Xorxes/Damo Case

I see him as tunneling hard on Xorxes after this post,

Food - slight scumlean - awkward first posts but seems to be throwing the whole new thing around a little too much for my liking

I think he's town, or a very good player.

He has, and according to him he never hardclaims falsely, so he must be town.

He does this by responding

@Xorxes:

What makes you purport that Foodcoats, who you hath presumably never played with before, is a "very good player"?

Scum slip here about his buddy food????

He then votes xorxes with very little other evidence.

Here is where I get surprised, he then comes in to defend xorxes

Who is voting for Xorxes tho?

Brain, are you?

Is he thy toppermost scumread?

Who would you shoot if you were a dayvig RN?

He provides a re-read on Damo666 (rip) in which he concludes Damo is a likely scumbuddy of xorxes and "is still in his scum pool"

Following this he follows up suggesting Damo's initial posting was PR fishing. I do not share the same thoughts re this especially in hindsight as Damo was such a kind fellow.

Conclusions from sections 1
- Jamie initially votes Xorxes but also look at reasons why he may not be (Town)
- Potentially scumslips about his buddy food (Scum)
- Provides a relatively weak case on Damo that is mainly conditional on Xorxes being scum (Town based on him trying to compile the information in post), possible Jamie-Xorxes scumpair?

The bozo attack

In this section, I wish to address his defense of worcej/attacking bozo's case.

Note, while I agree with Jamie that the case was poor, I was having worcej as my top/second scumread prior to the claim

I won't slam this area with quotes as I don't find them useful for this. Essentially Jamie calls bozo out on his reading into the worcej HC town.

Conclusion from part 2

- I think this whole section is regarded as a null, it was relatively back and forwards and so I think all it could shed light on is a possible Jamie-bozo scum-pair trying to clog the thread with nonsense.

EOD

03:33, likes worcej's logic, suggests he would like Xorxes vs Damo wagons. This matches his scumreads of the day.
03:15, pushes this by telling Ike to focus on those two
00:29, like Ike's logic that xorxes trading favours with brain (in an attempt to form a CJG wagon by initially voting Ike) is scummy
00:08, voices concern damo has not arrived to defend himself
00:06, asks bozo if he would prefer a xorxes wagon as bozo has indicated he does not wish to vate damo
00:04, votes Xorxes
00:01, asks bozo why he would tie the votes if given the chance (the chance is there)

Conclusions from part 3
- He clearly has followed through with his day reads and tries to suggest other people look closely at them (town)
- To me, it looks like damo not arriving is what ultimately changes his vote (along with at) 00:04 bozo saying he would prefer a xorxes lynch to a damo lynch. (town)
- I really don't know what to make of the last two minutes. He gives bozo the chance to tie things up OR lynch Xorxes. The chance of cross-posting here means that I am not going to put too much thought into it.


Overall conclusions,
- A lot of Jamie's actions seemed relatively townie to me, and I town read him for day one. All he did was tunnel on people with relatively few reasons (I don't think anyone had proper reasons). He presented his cases and seemed to want to help.

The EOD is a little harder to read but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. I also see that trying to set bozo up and get off damo as he knew he would flip town are valid arguments should he be scum.

Possible scumteams assuming Jamie flips scum
- Jamie - Bozo - Food
- Jamie - Xorxes - Food

[Nephthys]

Oh god, that took too long, and there's still two more to go, fml

[Nephthys]

The re-read of Jamie, Chapter 2

Night 1

- Says he would rather have lynched Xorxes, this aligns with his EOD vote although he never stated xorxes was a higher scumread than damo.
- Suggests BLAM - apparently this is seen as scummy at night. I assume this is because scum more control when choosing their NK in terms of who they want to remove/set up.
- Withdraws the BLAM idea as soon as challenged.
- Backs himself on the Xorxes call, says a lot of it is gut
- Top reads thd from the damo wagon

Conclusions

Overall Jamie seems a lot more scummy here.
- I can't think of a reason for him to suggest BLAM as town.
- He then backs off Xorxes a little claiming it was gut, this sounds kinda like wants something to fall back on if Xorxes flips town.
- His call against thd comes (admittedly ~20hrs) after I present my case against them and it got some backing from bozo.

Scumteams if Jamie flips scum
- Nothing new to add here.

[Nephthys]

The Jamie re-read Chapter 3

Day 2
- He tries to answer all the questions people throw at him for most of the start.
- He starts to go for brain a little
- claim comes out
- He doesn't immediately CC

Conclusions,
- I like that he was trying to answer the questions people had for him, I find this to be towny as he does provide an answer (to I believe) all of the questions that were asked of him by food/bozo with passable logic.
- I think the lack of a CC is odd. I am going to hold off on saying my logic as to why he may not for a little bit, just incase I am right.

What I expect now
- An answer to my questions
- Some sort of CC/argument why we shouldn't lynch him

Scum-pairings
- I see nothing new although there may be a case of bozo and him trying to get a little edgy to separate themselves in-case jamie is lynched.

[Nephthys]

Overall,

I think Jamie's days have been a lot better than the night. I do see him trying to add information for us and try to progress the game forwards. That being said, last night is a little dodge and so I would overall place Jamie as a weak scum-read preclaim.

[Nephthys]

Assuming there had been no claim and it was down to Jamie vs Worcej as wagons I would prefer to lynch Worcej based on the play we have seen so far.

Worcej has not added much if any new information (pre-claim) or any real attempt to move the game forwards.
Jamie at least put forward some cases (regardless of integrity)

I think we lose more if we mis-lynch a town Jamie than a town Worcej.
I think it is easier to tell the false direction from a scum as the game gets smaller.

Overall this would make me think that it would be easier to catch a scum Jamie than a scum Worcej late game.

[Nephthys]

The biggest issue I am having if we assume that worcej is scum is; Why Jamie?

Also, why not just claim cop and call out a guilty on Jamie rather than giving him an out with the vig call which would could cause our other PR to claim....

After thinking this through I am leaning more towards Jamie being scum than worcej.

@Worcej, assuming you are town, can you at least take a more active role and try to help us solve this game...

[Nephthys]

Do we know if CJG is still around as well?

[brainbomb]

no counter claims. jamie didnt counter.

##End

lets roll up boys,we got the roleblocker probably

[Jamiet99uk]

I was out late last night and had a lie-in this morning. What have I missed?

There's been a claim?? Why would someone else claim when I'm the lead wagon? I'll have to catch up.

Maybe it is time for me to reveal my role. Sigh.

[Jamiet99uk]

Okay, I'm caught up.

I am the Vigilante.

I do not believe that Worcej is lying. Indeed my gut told me Worc might be a PR and I'll admit, contrary to my previous claim, that I was seeking to defend him against Bozo and Damo's dreadful cases.

I breadcrumbed that Vigilante was my role, as follows:

- On page 10, I asked "Who would you shoot if you were a dayvig"?

- On page 13, I said "I am the Vigilante! Don't lynch me, I am a valuable Town PR!"

- Also on page 13 I described myself as "SURE-FIRE TOWN". What does a Vig do? It FIRES.

I even described my p.13 statements as hard claims - yes they were hidden in a long post about the mechanics of hard claims, but you can see they are there, as clear as day.

- Finally, on p.28 when Brainbomb declared "so we confirm there's no Vig" I actually flinched as I was quite cross at Brainbomb making this false statement.

I am the Vigilante. Do not lynch me. I am a valuable Town PR.

I will also reveal that I was Roleblocked. I therefore still have my shot. I did not reveal the Roleblock until now, because I felt I'd likely be pressed to reveal if I was a PR.

In my next post, I will explain why I tried to shoot RagingIke.

[Jamiet99uk]

In the interim I am changing my mind about Bozo and I will ##VOTE BOZOTHECLOWN.

Now we can be fairly sure that Worcej is the Tracker, Bozo's hounding of Worcej, especially given the awful bullshit that his "case" was founded on, seems rather contrived. And then he became fixated on my accidental use of a period instead of a space when voting for Xorxes. Bozo looks like someone who is latching on to minor insignificant things to attempt to appear actively involved and investigative, but what he's doing isn't really sincere.

[brainbomb]

if you get roleblocked you never visited so he wouldnt have seen it. lmao.

jamie caught

[brainbomb]

##CALL GM IF ROLEBLOCKED WOULD A TRACKER STILL SEE YOU VISIT SOMEONE?

[brainbomb]

1. Hooker Roleblocks
2. Mafia and Vigilante carry out kill
3. Friendly Neighbor
4. Cop / Tracker
5. Doctor
6. Oracle reveals


poor Jaime