Mafia 88: Murder at the Meadery - GAME THREAD

[damo666]

Post 3:

Ok....that actually makes food's last post a bit townier I think. It's a scummy post when he "knows" we're messing up.

(update: damn it damo)

OK ok

[BunnyGo]

Post 5:

Time to reread Just ISO:

It's been an hour, so I guess we can start?

##VOTE damo666

How’d ya figure out how to vote? Did u watch our last game?

Weird nudge of a new player. I don't think he'd do this and then NOT push with scum!Sparta

Cheers to Honey and good fortune

Are you town this time?

Oh shush that game was like ages ago

This doesn't sound like I expect Just to sound. Does he say "shush"? Makes me wonder about bozo's alignment.

No mechs for bozo right now does he always get into the game super fast
um so i dont respond to each individually i picked 1 cuz idk

Also bozo trying to hard to be town so scum

Yup....mutual bussing. Scum!bozo.

Some random thoughts

Sweet is NAI, I think he’s doing this gambit out of pure spite for always being D1ed

Foodcoats gives off a similar vibe from last game, towny as such but I could be wrong

Vecna seems to ‘catch up’ even tho it’s like 5 pages into the game. Strange

Jamie is my top tr atm

Oh damo is here, i didnt even notice

Was bouta clown on food if damo was a non-poster

Worcej’s post dont do anything for me

doesn't mention bozo anywhere there. Scum!bozo.

Also, town!damo. Wouldn't have missed his partner posting.

I can certify this works on mobile as well.

Behold, Sweet posted again. Am I the first person to notice this?

Look, Foodcoats.

I noticed

Town!Jamie...Just is trying to get towncred from him.

Are people worried that they are posting too much? Nobody is posting too much.

Im here Balki but i made a vow to not top post any phase

Several interactions with Balki give scum-scum vibes.


Oh man...I never even saw this next post....

Reads List: Ordered

TOWN: Would not flip today
—
Spart
Lord
Jamie
Sweet
—
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LEAN TOWN: Would only flip if alternative is higher up
—
Ghug
King
Food
—
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NULL: Would (also) only flip if alternative is higher up
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DrFid
Worcej
Balki
Rdr
Damo
—
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SCUM: Would flip today
—
Vecna
Bunny
Bozo
Bona

what BS.

Bona and Bunny are town. Vecna is probably town. I think Bozo is probably the "one scum" in the pool there. I think Lord/Spart are the likely scum he's protecting in the town pool. But less sure about that.

I can already see the division forming between the player list.

Groups of people that scumread the other group, and im a bit worried atm about it

For now i see food-balki-jamie-myself-Vecna (even tho i dont trust Vecna) on one end and Bunny-Bona-Bozo-(sweet?)-(brain?) on another

I may be overthinking this but ye

Take of that what you will

Yup...this is total BS. And I have no idea how Bozo and I got connected there. Scum!bozo.

Also at most 1 scum in his "team", he wouldn't want to link too many. Which again puts his "townreads" of Sparta and Lord as scum likely.



How does the VCA look for a Just-bozo-Lord-Sparta look?

Well....wow!!! Sparta on damo, Just on Bona, Bozo on Sparta, and Lord NVRing. That's spread out...protecting Just...slight bus from bozo.

Balki can sub for Sparta easily enough too.

Let's get 'em boys.



Next post is a deep dive of Lord and Sparta.

[BunnyGo]

Post 6:

GAH!!! SOOOOO BORED!!!

My kids are asleep.

My wife is asleep.

I don't want to do my homework.

SOOOOOOOOOOO BORRRRREEEEED.

[BunnyGo]

Post 7:

And we're back! Let's see Lord:

Oh as per official newb shield Spartaculous will not receive my vote until day 3 or later. Lord of Words maybe bc hes played elsewhere

To clarify, I have played on MU, Discord, and other forums, so if you take the kid gloves off, that's fine.

huh....someone noted he could have stayed silent about this and coasted a little? Does Just being scum change that?

To start, I don't think Bona is scum; his behavior and comments seem too over the top on D1 for that.

That’s interesting. I’ve never played with bona before, but yeah, he feels like he’s playing… aggressively? I dunno if that’s the right word, but on vibes general tone he’s established a strong front. I feel such fearlessness is town leaning, but I’m not sure if a) bona is always like this, and/or b) it’s a facade/trick of scum.

Not fully caught up yet, I’ll drop some more thoughts later.

I'm new here and it's D1, so what I said isn't necessarily ironclad, but it would be a bold strategy for scum.

This is also towny...his only post with a read being this and a previous one I didn't post saying that Bofa is too loud to scum. If Bofa town, then LoW probably town.


Sparta!

It's been an hour, so I guess we can start?

##VOTE damo666

How’d ya figure out how to vote? Did u watch our last game?

Mafia rules are linked to at the start of the thread; they are easy enough to figure out.

As Vecna pointed out later, and I just confirmed, it isn't posted anywhere in the Chaqa posts nor the linked google doc. Why would he lie about this?

56% but who's arguing?

He's said he is not going to post again day 1. Other low posters have not said that.

No. I don't think anyone is statistically more likely to be scum. I fact I think statistically everyone other than me has about a 76% chance of being town.

And here I was hoping we'd have another math free game

This makes me sad. We need more math.

saying nothing....

Jamie what is a theatrical ghost

Um, Will: this is why you should play more Twenty Questions with us.

More nothing....

It’s starting to get weird in here. Should we just hammer one of the new guys?

##VOTE LordOfWords

##END

Lord of Words isn't very loquacious so far.

and nothing....

Uh, "teacher" isn't the preferred term nowadays...

Most High Educational Leader Spartaculous

Sounds much better!

More nothing joking around with teammate....

GM Note:
brainbomb has replaced DrFidelis

Thanks brainbomb for filling in on short notice!

And....NOTHING!

Post 22:

Catching up again from where I went to sleep.

I live right by the ocean so we stay fairly temperate here. But am sad to say Maine does now get over 90 days in the summer when it never has before. Just got a couple heat pumps (mostly for heat....but the AC might be useful a couple weeks this summer).

Don't pew pew a bunny. We're adorable.

My wife and I are talking about vacationing in Maine this summer. We've wanted to go there for a long time. Got any suggestions for fun things to do?

More nothing (But Sparta...we should totally talk after the game. Got LOTS of awesomeness here. It's Vacationland!)

Well....you get the idea....

the opposition hates me because they know i'm right

I just want a tie man.

I have no reads.

What kind of tie do you want? Silk? Something a bit more matte?

What kind of color?

OK....so LoW maybe is town but Sparta is scum. Bozo was bussing to try and save Just.

I think this also confirms damo town (following the conclusions from the Just dive). I don't see Sparta playing like this and voting a teammate first vote and never changing.


So...Just-Sparta-bozo-?? Balki?

Town: Bona, damo, Jamie, Vecna


Need to read bozo and Balki next....but they posted more....

[BunnyGo]

Post 8:

Time to read bozo:

Cheers to Honey and good fortune

Are you town this time?

good joke...NAI

Will, please pick a number between 1-32.

Are you mafia with Just again?

I looked at your M86 D1 interaction with Just after he started bussing you a number of times, and always concluded it was unlikely to be S/S, so nice job protecting Just in that game.

weirder 2nd post....but maybe NAI, he did have it on his mind.

That said...if being fooled by Just was so on his mind, why fight so hard against his wagon?

Then prods King, Sparta, and food with questions. Followed by Bona, and DrFid.

Thanks.

##VOTE Balki
##END

See you all next phase.

##Vote Sweetandcool.

This is directly anti-town behaviour.

Do you think sweetandcool is not gong to post again D1? If he doesn't, are you OK voting him out for not posting?

"Hey Jamie...you want to go for a miskill?"

Assuming sweetandcool did not want to vote for himself, 1-34 would make sense if that were the case, but not 1-32.

Why do assume sweetandcool did not ignore the number selection and vote for who he wanted to vote for? I was not in M87, but based on the D1 and D2 voting, it seems sweetandcool might be motivated to vote for Balki. Or, sweetandcool and Balki could be mafia teammates and the apparently random vote could be a distancing ploy.

Honestly the answer is that I had it in my head that there were 16 players not 18. I then multiplied by 2 to vaguely disguise my intention to use Will as RNG. I chose Will because he was online and active in thread.

Given that there was no prechat, it's hard to believe scum sweetandcool somehow coordinated with scum Will to fabricate a vote on Balki.

Conclusion:

1. NAI sweetandcool did an RNG bit.
2. Scum sweetandcool wanted an interaction with Will either as buddying or pretend buddying.
3. Any alignment sweetandcool did not fabricate a vote on Balki because that is ludicrously implausible.

I can certify that at least two of those conclusions are correct.

I didn't suggest that you might be mafia with Just.

Weird focus chain about something that doesn't matter but he's taking it to the nth degree.

I asked him the sane question twice and he did not answer me, but he answered foodcoats.

Were you doing it just to pretend like you were trying to solve a puzzle even though you were not in fact solving a puzzle?

Not exactly.

yeah....I can see bozo/Balki coaching/protecting/busing/focusing on Sparta here.

I can already see the division forming between the player list.

Groups of people that scumread the other group, and im a bit worried atm about it

For now i see food-balki-jamie-myself-Vecna (even tho i dont trust Vecna) on one end and Bunny-Bona-Bozo-(sweet?)-(brain?) on another

I may be overthinking this but ye

Take of that what you will

We want Balki for our team.

weird phrasing here. "our" team.

I don't like the damo wagon.

##VOTE Spartaculous

Completely ignoring Just after page 1-5. Despite the massive focus on him pre-game and first page or 5. That is the biggest thing. Doesn't even mention his wagon despite beating himself up so much for misreading Just last game.

[sweetandcool]

Holy shit, stop it now.

##VOTE Bunny
##END

[BunnyGo]

Post 9:

The Balki papers:

Wait why did sweet say 1-32

If theres 18 of us, what if i picked 22

And if it wraps around, it doesn’t get everyone twice

I would not assume that this was a rational, fair, or meaningful process. It was just a bit of trolling to start the game. I don’t think we need to unpack it further than that.

"Shut up, Just! Your gimmicks won't work again!"

Can you explain all of the townreads?

Mostly vibes. Bozo is a stronger townlean because I don’t think he likes being scum and he comes off as excited and interested to play and solve which points to him being town.

Yeah, but do you really have any idea?

I ask because I have no idea. I don't really even have any leaning on anyone right now. Do you really have reads? Am I just bad at this?

"I agree! Bozo *is* town! Look at me reinforcing that for you!"

(1) I think it is disrespectful and boring, and says nothing about alignment.
(2) I don't have that impression of Foodcoats's activity.

Re: (2) - really?

How do you interpret this statement:

Sweet is likely town here and the people voting for him are likely lazy readers, opportunistic scum, joking, or new.

...if not a criticism of people voting for Sweetandcool?

It seems pretty mild to me. I don't agree with your characterization of "seeking to attack anyone who is voting for Sweetandcool."

Isn't there something more interesting we can talk about? Who are your top three town reads and why?

Engaging with Jamie. Deescalating. NAI.

Whos ur three top scum reads? Doesn’t have to be strong, just curious

Also @ Balki u too

Ahhhhhh...I don't know. I don't want to say because I don't like being so wrong.

It was hard for me to float my foodcoats might be performative read. That hasn't changed for me.

Two more?

Worcej. Do I have a reason? No.

Damn it, I need one more. I don't know. I don't really even scumread worcej or foodcoats yet.

NAI with Just too.

ghug, help me figure out who is who please.

Who is who?

@ghug, Vecna is treating me differently than he did last game. Please investigate and discuss.

Balki why do you keep appealing to Ghug to investigate things for you?

The tone of these requests just seems a little odd.

Because ghug is my friend. And if you can't copy off your friend, who can you copy off of?

Agree with Jamie. This was weird and showing up a bunch.

Now i dont have any proof for this but Bona seems to be doing his ‘too cool for mafia routine’. I dont know who said it or when (maybe it was during his MU champs game or maybe brain) but people have said this is a telltale sign of scum bona.

Now its just a theory but i think im onto something

Plus he hasn’t significantly contributed even tho his post count is relatively high, so theres another thing

Interesting.

This post IS interesting.

But , surely, you see where its heading though, right?

surely you're not seriously suggesting that this is a problem meriting anything. people will do what they want to do, people will flip, people will adjust. this isn't real.

still about the game and not in the game

This had me nodding along.

I was nodding along with that, but I don't have a scumread on Will. I just think that red rover lineup was kind of silly.

Hmmmm...."Interesting that Bona looks scummy from Just. I agree with Bona that Just is not making sense. But not going to scum read Just."

Did you guys know that Damo is in this game?

Not scum with damo.

I am cool with foodcoats or Damo.

I'm suspicious of Vecna.

The Bona wagon seems to be a reaction to his style. There are differing views on whether this is "just how he always is" or it's some scumtell. I don't really feel like I can weigh in on that intelligently, so I'm just going to kind of ignore the wagon. I don't really want to vote there.

Anyone else want to sell me something?

Anyone but Just.


So....his ISO isn't so bad, except for the strange pass he gave Just.

[BunnyGo]

Holy shit, stop it now.

##VOTE Bunny
##END

no...you read....you play to win...

[BunnyGo]

Holy shit, stop it now.

##VOTE Bunny
##END

no...you read....you play to win...

I spent 10 of my precious 150 posts because it is important.

[sweetandcool]

Holy shit, stop it now.

##VOTE Bunny
##END

no...you read....you play to win...

I read it already. We are not toddlers. Stop spamming. This is intolerable.

[worcej]

I should have stung one of my voters, they were virtually guaranteed to not be beekeeper

OK someone else...can anyone find a crumb by food? Reason to believe he was PR?

@worcej? A little help here?

I didn’t think food was a PR. Idk why damo scummed him and decided to hip fire the kill.

[damo666]

@Bunny
stop spamming

[damo666]

I should have stung one of my voters, they were virtually guaranteed to not be beekeeper

OK someone else...can anyone find a crumb by food? Reason to believe he was PR?

@worcej? A little help here?

I didn’t think food was a PR. Idk why damo scummed him and decided to hip fire the kill.

What would you have done if given BEES?

[BunnyGo]

OK someone else...can anyone find a crumb by food? Reason to believe he was PR?

@worcej? A little help here?

I didn’t think food was a PR. Idk why damo scummed him and decided to hip fire the kill.

What would you have done if given BEES?

Told Sparta I was going to kill him.

[sweetandcool]

I didn’t think food was a PR. Idk why damo scummed him and decided to hip fire the kill.

What would you have done if given BEES?

Told Sparta I was going to kill him.

Surprising answer. Evidence suggests that you would poll everybody over who they think you should kill.

[BunnyGo]

What would you have done if given BEES?

Told Sparta I was going to kill him.

Surprising answer. Evidence suggests that you would poll everybody over who they think you should kill.

REALLY?

What do you remember the last time I was given a gun? The time before? Before?

[sweetandcool]

Okay, my assessment of this sordid affair:

1. Town has no reason to claim since it only invites angry retribution. New players are more likely to do this. Is damo really so remorseful that they would claim?

Scum points for damo.

2. Scum could and probably should stay silent. However, they have the option to try to earn town cred by claiming. Like such a bad play that they can't be scum.

Conclusion: while I can see town boneheadedly stinging Food, I think the choice to claim more likely to come from scum.

Maybe further analysis of D1 will change my mind or make me consider someone else to be a better candidate for the DK but that's where I currently am at.

[sweetandcool]

Told Sparta I was going to kill him.

Surprising answer. Evidence suggests that you would poll everybody over who they think you should kill.

REALLY?

What do you remember the last time I was given a gun? The time before? Before?

I recall last time you had two shots and hit scum and then town. And you were very comfortable roleplaying not the shooter while essentially polling for who to shoot.

[BunnyGo]

Surprising answer. Evidence suggests that you would poll everybody over who they think you should kill.

REALLY?

What do you remember the last time I was given a gun? The time before? Before?

I recall last time you had two shots and hit scum and then town. And you were very comfortable roleplaying not the shooter while essentially polling for who to shoot.

The first shot just shot. I was planning on it the whole time and trying to give him rope to lead us to other scum. Also didn't call the shot.

The second I let myself get talked into it by ghug. It was really dumb; I didn't just shoot town, I shot non-CC'd PR...so your "surprising answer" would be "what? you'd really call your shot?! And you'd care if they claimed?!"

And yes...rollplayed as not the shooter. It was a claimable role which has its own value unlike this game.

[BunnyGo]

Shooting Bofa also ruined my perfect record with shot in forum mafia.