Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I think we should ponder what happened yesterday.

both mafia teams could have killed literally any town, and tried to push a wagon on one of the vt claims and that didnt happen. So why didnt it happen?

I think my scum claim actually messed them up, and made them choose different things to do. They got confused and ended up exclusively voting one another instead of even trying to kill a villager. Why?

Because both mafia teams are snug, and not exposed beyond the obvious ones, and felt like blowing their cover just to kill off townies blatantly was not how they wanted to play. I think this means also, that both mafia teams were not sure if pirate was real, or it could also mean pirate really is mafia here.

Otherwise why bus? why bus in this situation? when you have a majority tie, collectively, you dont have to listen to people telling you what to do. that struck me as very odd.

So, call me a wild man, call me a bi polar weirdo, call me scum. call me whatever you like, I think what I did had a net positive impact for town.

But you tried to do something with a net detriment to town

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I mean i will admit that i worked out but it was extremely risky

[damo666]

Thanks GM, I thought Balki was wrong.

So,

Who do we think is Judge Fear?

Which doc should visit?

Both docs save.

That sounds like a plan.

Unless one of the 'docs' is Judge Fear.

Okay but how would we know if the person is judge fear or just a regular baddie? worcej’s scan wont give us any information

We get worcej to visit same person without having a save. If they die the target is almost certainly Judge Fear. (Or MMA DrF killed him).

[damo666]

Balki's not actually a doctor why would you risk losing the voting majority that we just got

Just stay fucking put

So, we get both kotp and Will to target Balki, Chaqa to save kotp and Balki to 'save' Will. How about that?

Then if Will is actually a cop, which seems still possible, and Balki happens to be judge fear he's dead too

At least we'll have identified Judge Fear

[damo666]

Yesterday was 6-6 between mafia and town. By killing RHK, we secured town majority and there (likely) shouldn't be any deaths tonight*, barring DrFidelis being the MMA.

Brain raises a good point - why would mafia allow that to happen? Given RHK was an angel, it makes sense that the judges could mess up there, but it makes me think the angels either do not have a solid grasp on the game state, or that they were afraid to out themselves.

I need to think on it some more, because I generally assume mafia will play more or less optimally, which maybe means we need to reconsider some of our town clears and presumed clears

*What about visits to Judge Fear?

If I understand it correctly we at least know ghug and Snowy are not Judge Fear. I believe the cops were planning to check them out.

Maybe I should hold my save tonight to be safe?

Why would you hold your save? You think one of the cops is Judge Fear?

You do have a save, do you?

[snowy801]

So, we get both kotp and Will to target Balki, Chaqa to save kotp and Balki to 'save' Will. How about that?

Then if Will is actually a cop, which seems still possible, and Balki happens to be judge fear he's dead too

At least we'll have identified Judge Fear

How does that actually help
We end up with being back to voting parity with a primed kill
We're at the stage of them game where very little needs to be identified anymore
Just stop listening to the open scum (including you I guess), sort the clear scum then use that regained number advantage to gain like 1 miskill at the end to sort that final unclear scum member

[damo666]

So, kotp, Will, worcej, Chaqa, Balki

What you gonna do? Are you gonna coordinate for info or wing it?

[damo666]

Then if Will is actually a cop, which seems still possible, and Balki happens to be judge fear he's dead too

At least we'll have identified Judge Fear

How does that actually help
We end up with being back to voting parity with a primed kill
We're at the stage of them game where very little needs to be identified anymore
Just stop listening to the open scum (including you I guess), sort the clear scum then use that regained number advantage to gain like 1 miskill at the end to sort that final unclear scum member

My head hurts. Should there be a coordinated plan or not? If so what should it be?

[Chaqa]

*What about visits to Judge Fear?

If I understand it correctly we at least know ghug and Snowy are not Judge Fear. I believe the cops were planning to check them out.

Maybe I should hold my save tonight to be safe?

Why would you hold your save? You think one of the cops is Judge Fear?

You do have a save, do you?

I was going to visit Balki and he was going to visit me in case Fidelis tried to kill us if he is MMA or in case of a Mortis

[damo666]

If I understand it correctly we at least know ghug and Snowy are not Judge Fear. I believe the cops were planning to check them out.

Maybe I should hold my save tonight to be safe?

Why would you hold your save? You think one of the cops is Judge Fear?

You do have a save, do you?

I was going to visit Balki and he was going to visit me in case Fidelis tried to kill us if he is MMA or in case of a Mortis

In that case I suggest cops scan you two

[kingofthepirates]

I’m willing to coordinate somehow. I agree one of the docs may be scum of some sort, though also a double doctor is not out of question… I don’t want to do a pure internal investigation though, that feels like a waste. Also, doctor is considered vanilla right? Because if not, it’d be pretty wasteful of me to use the investigation on a doctor, get a not vanilla, then when I report that we miskill the doctor…

I’m going to check back on cop investigations (nd, kak included) to see who remains uninvestigated, or has suspicious circumstances surrounding their investigation. I’ve got a bunch of school work, even during lunch, so expect my report on this sometime around 3:30-4 at the latest, depending on when I find time. I’ll try to get it out before EON so we can coordinate something.

[kingofthepirates]

Confirm for me real quick: cops by either claim or confirm are…
Me
Will
Worcej
Nd
Kak

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Thanks GM, I thought Balki was wrong.

So,

Who do we think is Judge Fear?

Which doc should visit?

Both docs save.

That sounds like a plan.

Unless one of the 'docs' is Judge Fear.

Okay but how would we know if the person is judge fear or just a regular baddie? worcej’s scan wont give us any information

We get worcej to visit same person without having a save. If they die the target is almost certainly Judge Fear. (Or MMA DrF killed him).

That makes sense. Worcej should do that. And if MMA decides to be cheeky and kill worcej, then we have two cops already.

Of course, if worcej doesn’t die then we can’t know anything, because there is an ever so slim chance worcej is still mafia and is using this as a cover, but if he does die and flips cop (obv) then we will either have a judge fear or a caught DrF (besides how obvious it already is)

[damo666]

@kotp

1) doc = not vanilla

2) don't waste your time on work already done - see next post

[damo666]

@kotp

Claimed scans by cops:

Brain (Methodical): PROBABLY BEST IGNORED
N1 - Sweet Inno
N2 - Will guilty
N3 - Kotp inno

Will (SJS):
N1 - ghug not cop/Judge
N2 - KOTP is cop/Judge
N3 - Food not cop/Judge

Kak (Parity):
N1 - rdr
N2 - worcej paired with red
N3 - ghug, died

Kotp (Vanilla):
N1 - roleblocked
N2 - ND not vanilla
N3 - Snowy vanilla

ND (Macho):
N1 - Dip&War guilty
N2 - worcej inno
N3 - Unknown, died

[damo666]

Confirm for me real quick: cops by either claim or confirm are…
Me
Will
Worcej
Nd
Kak

Yep but none clear

Also brain Methodical but retracted

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

So, kotp, Will, worcej, Chaqa, Balki

What you gonna do? Are you gonna coordinate for info or wing it?

Ima wing it. Announce my scan at EON

[kingofthepirates]

All people who have been investigated:
Ghug, kotp (me), rdr, worcej, snowy
Surprisingly few, but confirms~half of us as not fear. I’m not including brain in this, flip flopping claims I’m not going to touch.

[kingofthepirates]

I’ll share who I’m considering investigating: chaqa, balki, damo, bb.
Everyone else is either fear clear, or claiming cop without any caveats (bb has caveats, those being a whole lotta switching role claims). I’m not using an investigation on a claimed cop this night, I feel it’ll be better to get a call on the double doctor situation, or sussing a judge fear (or mortis, as unlikely as that is). I suggest that not all cops focus on id-ing a possible fake doctor.

[Chaqa]

I'm a little worried that Balki or brain could be Judge Fear trying to bait a visit, but it's a pretty small fear.