Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[Chaqa]

Ah I should have caught up first lol

Are you Judge Fear?
Balki?

What?

[brainbomb]

I think we should ponder what happened yesterday.

both mafia teams could have killed literally any town, and tried to push a wagon on one of the vt claims and that didnt happen. So why didnt it happen?

I think my scum claim actually messed them up, and made them choose different things to do. They got confused and ended up exclusively voting one another instead of even trying to kill a villager. Why?

Because both mafia teams are snug, and not exposed beyond the obvious ones, and felt like blowing their cover just to kill off townies blatantly was not how they wanted to play. I think this means also, that both mafia teams were not sure if pirate was real, or it could also mean pirate really is mafia here.

Otherwise why bus? why bus in this situation? when you have a majority tie, collectively, you dont have to listen to people telling you what to do. that struck me as very odd.

So, call me a wild man, call me a bi polar weirdo, call me scum. call me whatever you like, I think what I did had a net positive impact for town.

[brainbomb]

debunking a few misconceptions
brainbomb made a deal: yes. yes I did and the deal was rejected. because scum are deeply embedded and did not want to come out of their hidey holes they fit snugly into. they are confident they will win by playing it their own way.

brainbomb hardclaimed scum: yes. brainbomb also hardclaimed having a guilty on someone who is undoubtedly still mafia. brainbomb also hardclaimed vt and was told there wasnt enough room for vts in the mix. so brainbomb claimed something that nobody was going to challenge, and suddenly wow, everyone wanted to hear what I had to say; fascinating!

brainbomb seemed upset about the lack of scum firepower: In general I think a game should probably not cap how many kills mafia have on any side. I dont know exactly if they have fear or mortis but its seeming less like they have mortis which maybe seems a bit imbalanced to me.

[kingofthepirates]

I think my scum claim actually messed them up, and made them choose different things to do. They got confused and ended up exclusively voting one another instead of even trying to kill a villager.

So, call me a wild man, call me a bi polar weirdo, call me scum. call me whatever you like, I think what I did had a net positive impact for town.

I must admit, that was a pretty crazy play. You’re crazy. A good kind of crazy, but still crazy. I still have my suspicions, but the play was pretty damn good. And it did work out in the end. I gotta give you points for that.

Looking forward, I think we must focus on id-ing either a judge fear or mortis (screw you autocorrect, I don’t want to say judge morris!). Optimal town is for mortis to get mma’d, take out the two most annoying in one night. Fid may be mma, demon voting may have been to give fid that precious night kill? Just tossing ideas out there. I get that pretty much everyone is a valid target at this point, but anyone particularly either a)suspicious (confirm slight suspicions), or b)mysterious (gain new info)?

[Chaqa]

Yesterday was 6-6 between mafia and town. By killing RHK, we secured town majority and there (likely) shouldn't be any deaths tonight, barring DrFidelis being the MMA.

Brain raises a good point - why would mafia allow that to happen? Given RHK was an angel, it makes sense that the judges could mess up there, but it makes me think the angels either do not have a solid grasp on the game state, or that they were afraid to out themselves.

I need to think on it some more, because I generally assume mafia will play more or less optimally, which maybe means we need to reconsider some of our town clears and presumed clears

[damo666]

if I visit judge fear and get doc saved, will my PM just say that I have been doc saved (#1), or will it also say what I have been saved from (#2)? Role play wise, #2 makes sense but gameplay wise, #1 may be better. Also, can doc save a double kill? Ex: judge mortis visits me, and I visit judge fear. That’s 2 things a doc can save, will I be saved from both, or from one? And if only 1, which one?

The only kill doc can't save tonight is Judge Death but they probably have no power left anyway.

If you are saved you would get a message saying so, you would not know your attacker(s). It is irrelevant how many killers, you'd still be saved (my understanding).

[damo666]

Yesterday was 6-6 between mafia and town. By killing RHK, we secured town majority and there (likely) shouldn't be any deaths tonight*, barring DrFidelis being the MMA.

Brain raises a good point - why would mafia allow that to happen? Given RHK was an angel, it makes sense that the judges could mess up there, but it makes me think the angels either do not have a solid grasp on the game state, or that they were afraid to out themselves.

I need to think on it some more, because I generally assume mafia will play more or less optimally, which maybe means we need to reconsider some of our town clears and presumed clears

*What about visits to Judge Fear?

[Chaqa]

Yesterday was 6-6 between mafia and town. By killing RHK, we secured town majority and there (likely) shouldn't be any deaths tonight*, barring DrFidelis being the MMA.

Brain raises a good point - why would mafia allow that to happen? Given RHK was an angel, it makes sense that the judges could mess up there, but it makes me think the angels either do not have a solid grasp on the game state, or that they were afraid to out themselves.

I need to think on it some more, because I generally assume mafia will play more or less optimally, which maybe means we need to reconsider some of our town clears and presumed clears

*What about visits to Judge Fear?

If I understand it correctly we at least know ghug and Snowy are not Judge Fear. I believe the cops were planning to check them out.

Maybe I should hold my save tonight to be safe?

[damo666]

Yesterday was 6-6 between mafia and town. By killing RHK, we secured town majority and there (likely) shouldn't be any deaths tonight*, barring DrFidelis being the MMA.

Brain raises a good point - why would mafia allow that to happen? Given RHK was an angel, it makes sense that the judges could mess up there, but it makes me think the angels either do not have a solid grasp on the game state, or that they were afraid to out themselves.

I need to think on it some more, because I generally assume mafia will play more or less optimally, which maybe means we need to reconsider some of our town clears and presumed clears

*What about visits to Judge Fear?

If I understand it correctly we at least know ghug and Snowy are not Judge Fear. I believe the cops were planning to check them out.

Maybe I should hold my save tonight to be safe?

We could select a Judge Fear target and send both Will and kotp with you saving one and Balki the other. How about that for a plan?

[kingofthepirates]

We could select a Judge Fear target and send both Will and kotp with you saving one and Balki the other. How about that for a plan?

I’m fine with this. That means if someone dies, mma is fid, yeah? Since judge death is probably out of kills?

[kingofthepirates]

As for targets… who has not been visited yet? If roleblock does not prevent a visit, rdr and snowy, are fear-clear for sure. Anything from our other cops?

[damo666]

We could select a Judge Fear target and send both Will and kotp with you saving one and Balki the other. How about that for a plan?

I’m fine with this. That means if someone dies, mma is fid, yeah? Since judge death is probably out of kills?

Or Chaqa or Balki not really doc and you and Will did visit Judge Fear.

[damo666]

As for targets… who has not been visited yet? If roleblock does not prevent a visit, rdr and snowy, are fear-clear for sure. Anything from our other cops?

Will reports ghug not Judge

[snowy801]

Sounds like Snowy.

@Snowy, are you mad at Brain?

If Balki really believed that I was privately messaging brain mid game he should be asking that I be modkilled and banned from future games

To borrow your terminology I understand that you're open wolfing and that you no longer care to put up a pretense of being town but honestly give it a rest I'm kind of sick of your smug irritations

[Chaqa]

We could select a Judge Fear target and send both Will and kotp with you saving one and Balki the other. How about that for a plan?

I’m fine with this. That means if someone dies, mma is fid, yeah? Since judge death is probably out of kills?

This plan both interests and concerns me. I want to hear some others’ input on it.

[snowy801]

We could select a Judge Fear target and send both Will and kotp with you saving one and Balki the other. How about that for a plan?

I’m fine with this. That means if someone dies, mma is fid, yeah? Since judge death is probably out of kills?

This plan both interests and concerns me. I want to hear some others’ input on it.

Balki's not actually a doctor why would you risk losing the voting majority that we just got

Just stay fucking put

[damo666]

As for targets you could do me but you won't learn much.

I suggest brain or Dr F or going out of the box you could each target a doc with the other doc saving you or target each other. I like targeting the docs. I suspect one of them is deep bogey.

[damo666]

I’m fine with this. That means if someone dies, mma is fid, yeah? Since judge death is probably out of kills?

This plan both interests and concerns me. I want to hear some others’ input on it.

Balki's not actually a doctor why would you risk losing the voting majority that we just got

Just stay fucking put

So, we get both kotp and Will to target Balki, Chaqa to save kotp and Balki to 'save' Will. How about that?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Thanks GM, I thought Balki was wrong.

So,

Who do we think is Judge Fear?

Which doc should visit?

Both docs save.

That sounds like a plan.

Unless one of the 'docs' is Judge Fear.

Okay but how would we know if the person is judge fear or just a regular baddie? worcej’s scan wont give us any information

[snowy801]

This plan both interests and concerns me. I want to hear some others’ input on it.

Balki's not actually a doctor why would you risk losing the voting majority that we just got

Just stay fucking put

So, we get both kotp and Will to target Balki, Chaqa to save kotp and Balki to 'save' Will. How about that?

Then if Will is actually a cop, which seems still possible, and Balki happens to be judge fear he's dead too