Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[Chaqa]

Do we have any other corroborating info on KOTP/Demon to help figure this out?

I do have to say that Snowy being not vanilla makes more sense to me than Snowy being vanilla, but I would need to check what roles come up as what.

[brainbomb]

Like, that kinda makes sense too. No one dies the night he claims to be RB and then the next two nights they do? Simple answer makes the most sense.

thats not exactly how this setup works but I am rereading for potential slip ups by pirate where it looks like an agenda and there definetely seems to be a coordinated effort D3 by will to prop up pirate as a cop, and there was alot of waiting game on pirate claiming exactly what he actually was. It could be that the angels were willing to try to go toe to toe with ND because they feared his soft crumb on dip and war.

[DemonRHK]

Like, that kinda makes sense too. No one dies the night he claims to be RB and then the next two nights they do? Simple answer makes the most sense.

thats not exactly how this setup works but I am rereading for potential slip ups by pirate where it looks like an agenda and there definetely seems to be a coordinated effort D3 by will to prop up pirate as a cop, and there was alot of waiting game on pirate claiming exactly what he actually was. It could be that the angels were willing to try to go toe to toe with ND because they feared his soft crumb on dip and war.

Oh, didn't read the scum roles too well. I know judges have the two shot strong kill, thought it getting rb'd made sense.

[brainbomb]

if thats it then it seems to me that pirate-will-worcej are all fake cops and all actually the mafia.

let me know if that is possible and what that would mean for all the vt claimants in play. is this possible there were actually only 2 cops in kak and ND in this setup?

[damo666]

Balki claims doc, no useful scan info, could be anything
Brainbomb claims Methodical cop/scum/vc, no useful scan info, seems to be protecting DrF (probably Judge Fear or MMA) so brain probably Judge Death with spent power or Junior Angel
Chaqa as per Balki
Damo666 claims vc, no useful scan info, could be anything from ypov
Dargorygel=DemonRHK, no claim, no useful scan info, could be anything
Diplomacy&Warfare dead Fink Angel
DrFidelis claims vc, no useful scan data, probable high power scum based on brainplay
Foodcoats dead vc
Ghug claims vc, Will claims not copJudge N1, so either vc, Angel, Judge and Will PA'd (negligible), or Will lying which would mean ghug could be anything
Hamilton Brian dead vc
Kakarroto dead Parity cop
KingofthePirates claims Vanilla cop, claimed scanned as cop/Judge by Will, probably is vanilla cop
JustAGuyNamedWill claims SJS cop, no scan info, could be anything
ND dead Macho cop
Rdrivera2005 no claim, paired with worcej unless latter PA'd N2
Snowy801 no claim, scanned vanilla by kotp N3 so vanilla unless PAd
Sweetandcool dead vc
Vecna dead vc
Worcej guesses naive cop, scanned inno N2 by ND so town or PAd N2

We know from set up info there are minimum of 2 cops and a maximum of 6. Unfortunately with 2 dead cops and 4 cop claimants all cop claimants could be lying or all telling the truth, however it is very likely somewhere in between and I would guess either 1 or 2 liars.

In the unlikely event worcej was scanned N2 worcej is guilty and unpaired with rdr, hence rdr is townclear and presumably vc (though it would be great if he claimed PR)!

So worcej probably naive cop but just might be MMA.

I think we have to assume brain is scum and on same team as DrF.

I believe kotp and assume he is vanilla cop.

Obviously at least 1 of Chaqa/Balki town possibly both (lacking an rdr doc claim).

I think one of ghug/Will has to be scum and the other town.

So remaining scum

Team A
DrF Strong
Brain weak
1 other

Team B
Will/ghug
2 others

The 3 others are presumably 3 from demon/snowy and 1 of Chaqa/Balki

Where I could be wrong is maybe Will and ghug are both scum or worcej is MMA.

I still maintain DrF is the best dk and hopefully things will be clearer tomorrow,

[brainbomb]

damo, you maybe shouldve read whats happening before posting that. your entire list is now old info.

demon is claiming vanilla cop

[damo666]

I spend half an hour on a post to find

a) there's new info - a cc battle
b) brain is thinking along the same lines as me! Doh!

[damo666]

damo, you maybe shouldve read whats happening before posting that. your entire list is now old info.

demon is claiming vanilla cop

I know

[brainbomb]

Pirate:
N1 roleblocked
N2 ND Not Vanilla
N3 Snowy Vanilla

DemonRHK:
N1: Damo Vanilla
N2: foodcoats Vanilla
N3: Snowy Not Vanilla

Will
N1: Ghug
N2: Pirate
N3: foodcoats

Worcej:
N1 Snowy True
N2 ghug True
N3 Balki True


3 of these are fake. worcejs seems especially fake, as he waited til the end of the process to come forward, after being a townclear, and then proceeded to fake a reread on Will where he found some interaction that he alledged cant be faked and then couldnt remember a few hours later that some of Wills scans made what worcej was posturing as scumreads totally impossible

[damo666]

So am I right that rdr is our only townclear?

[Chaqa]

For clarity, I do have one useful-ish piece of info, which is that ND was definitely killed by Judge Death as I tried to save him.

[brainbomb]

So am I right that rdr is our only townclear?

no I think chaqa and balki are both cleared as real docs now based on this.

[Balki Bartokomous]

For clarity, I do have one useful-ish piece of info, which is that ND was definitely killed by Judge Death as I tried to save him.

Could have been Judge Fear too, right?

[Balki Bartokomous]

So am I right that rdr is our only townclear?

no I think chaqa and balki are both cleared as real docs now based on this.

We certainly are not.

[damo666]

So we have a cc battle and we could let rdr decide and all sheep him BUT I suspect the liar from kotp and Demon is a relatively low powered role. I STILL favour killing Dr F.

So, brain, are you willing to vote DrF or is he your teammate?

[Chaqa]

For clarity, I do have one useful-ish piece of info, which is that ND was definitely killed by Judge Death as I tried to save him.

Could have been Judge Fear too, right?

I don't believe so

[damo666]

So am I right that rdr is our only townclear?

no I think chaqa and balki are both cleared as real docs now based on this.

Why?

[brainbomb]

I have voted Dr Fid relentlessly this game. So no he isnt my teammate. I know you arent going to beleive im vt, but in light of new evidence I think we basically cracked the game open.

The answer for who the angels are is worcej, will, pirate

[damo666]

For clarity, I do have one useful-ish piece of info, which is that ND was definitely killed by Judge Death as I tried to save him.

So Judge Death is a spent force?

[damo666]

I have voted Dr Fid relentlessly this game. So no he isnt my teammate. I know you arent going to beleive im vt, but in light of new evidence I think we basically cracked the game open.

The answer for who the angels are is worcej, will, pirate

In that case worcej must be MMA and is our best kill.