Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[damo666]

I don't understand why anyone would not vote Dip. We to allintents and purposes have an uncc'd claim.

More votes doesn't make any difference right now.

Also I don't want to accept that ND did something useful.

Lol

[damo666]

I don't understand why anyone would not vote Dip. We to allintents and purposes have an uncc'd claim.

Probably because we have many possible cops and not all of them give accurate results.

I want to hear from both ND and Dip. Worst scenario here is ND is really cop but the result is twisted (remember something?).

ND said "Guilty" and "Not Guilty", not TRUE/FALSE. If he had generic cop he wouldn't be confident enough to end. Therefore he must be Methodical Cop (or scum or an idiot).

It's just possible PA Angel visited Dip N1 and the result is screwed but the probability is small. I'm assuming ND delayed in order to get at least 2 scans in.

It looks a slam dunk to me.

[snowy801]

I don't understand why anyone would not vote Dip. We to allintents and purposes have an uncc'd claim.

Probably because we have many possible cops and not all of them give accurate results.

I want to hear from both ND and Dip. Worst scenario here is ND is really cop but the result is twisted (remember something?).

ND said "Guilty" and "Not Guilty", not TRUE/FALSE. If he had generic cop he wouldn't be confident enough to end. Therefore he must be Methodical Cop (or scum or an idiot).

It's just possible PA Angel visited Dip N1 and the result is screwed but the probability is small. I'm assuming ND delayed in order to get at least 2 scans in.

It looks a slam dunk to me.

Could still be generic cop no? Only unreliable results is if he got doc saved or only reveals inno, and he got a guilty.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Would someone please remind me how to ISO Dip&War?

[snowy801]

Would someone please remind me how to ISO Dip&War?

In the url just remove &Warfare

[kingofthepirates]

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Sorry, been doing some work. What’s up?

If dip was not an option who would you vote

Nd probably. 2 reasons:
1) main reads for me personally: rdr and nd. These are my top suspects rn based off the info I can verify and trust (that is, night scan results). I don't know anyone's tells, and I'm unsure on who to believe for what tells. so I'm going to try and avoid those as evidence when possible. Also trying to avoid using lack of commenting, since there are many reasons why that is possible (example: on thursday, friday, and saturday yours truly was at a robotics event, and could not check the thread very often). I'm personally keeping rdr on the table, but I'll hold off for now. the roleblock threw me, and I'm still thinking on it (a trick to spark suspicion on rdr? trying to protect rdr from investigation? suspicions of my role? and some other questions). so if not rdr, ND is the next option based on my info.


2) wagons: I'll preface this by saying this reason is not as impactful as reason 1, though still somewhat applicable. ND has a wagon already, though small. I don't particularly want to do a solo wagon, for risk of being the person to give the MMA a NK (night kill?). I'd be more willing to jump on an existing wagon than start one and be solo on it. Again, not as important as reason 1, just something to give me a little more confidence.

thoughts on vecna kill: I haven't caught up with everything yet, but I think it might be valuable to look at who vecna was suspecting. those are logically the people who would have a motive to kill. Tbh, I'm still really unsure about mafia as a whole, and am honestly playing this (at least partially) like how I would play among us (the only other social deduction game I have ever played). perhaps that is too 'simple' of a way to play this relatively longer game style, and some of the key identifiers in among us (such as if a crew mate dies, imposters are likely those who the crew mate suspected) are not applicable here. If that is the case, I'll happily accept pointers.

long post, so if you're quoting, please snip!
side note: I do agree somewhat that high posters can get annoying with so much to catch up on, sometimes when little of it is anything of substance. a small peeve, is all. I remember seeing this a while back, and thought I could comment on it.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Would someone please remind me how to ISO Dip&War?

In the url just remove &Warfare

Mind posting the link? (I just tried and failed)

[damo666]

Probably because we have many possible cops and not all of them give accurate results.

I want to hear from both ND and Dip. Worst scenario here is ND is really cop but the result is twisted (remember something?).

ND said "Guilty" and "Not Guilty", not TRUE/FALSE. If he had generic cop he wouldn't be confident enough to end. Therefore he must be Methodical Cop (or scum or an idiot).

It's just possible PA Angel visited Dip N1 and the result is screwed but the probability is small. I'm assuming ND delayed in order to get at least 2 scans in.

It looks a slam dunk to me.

Could still be generic cop no? Only unreliable results is if he got doc saved or only reveals inno, and he got a guilty.

Yeah I suppose Innocent is unreliable but guilty is (barring PA and he'd know if he were doc saved). I was just blindly assuming he had generic cop he wouldn't be so gung ho. Mea Culpa.

I HARDCLAIM NOT METHODICAL COP (obviously).

[ND]

Alright so here is a full breakdown of my thoughts, info, etc.

Role
I’m just going to paraphrase because I don’t know what is allowed and what isn’t, but I’m the COP.
-I investigate each night to learn alignment.
-My return is INNOCENT or GUILTY.
-All non-town return GUILTY.

D1
-Played a low-key D1 with a bit of rxn thrown in uwu.
-DrF did stand out. I stand by my reasoning that his vote on me was scum indicative and I think that should stand out to anyone. With that knowledge and the probability of him being scum in my mind I decided to not investigate him.
-After all, why scan him when I am already fairly confident in that read and not go for someone else?
-I decided to investigate Dip&Warfare.
-This was almost purely random. I thought his username picture was cool.
-The people I was mildly annoying too didn’t really tell me anything and I purposefully avoided any confrontation D1.
-After all, I am a favorite D1 kill and I needed to get results.

D2
-I got a Guilty! verdict. Which eliminated the possibility that I could be something like the naive cop.
-So I know that he is not town for sure at this point.
-I made my crumb.
-This was literally a throw away response to something Dip&War said.
-I made it at the very start of the day and didn’t say anything for 47 hours.

EOD2
-I came back to the thread and got the vibe that some people were itching to make me a wagon.
-I baited this and even welcomed it to some extent.
-If I survived then I would be less likely to be a N2 mafia target. After all, why kill someone who may be a town day kill the next day?
-I might have baited a bit too hard though and when it looked like I might be the day 2 kill I did type up a reveal post. I literally had it in a window ready to post minutes before the deadline with my result on Dip&War.
-Fortunately, enough people moved their votes and I was able to avoid it and get another result.

N2
-Following this I wanted to keep up an argument or two over night. My thought was if I could act in such a way and draw some heat then again the mafia would be more likely not to select me because I am making myself a target. Maybe this worked? I don’t know.
-I selected Worcej as my investigation target relatively early in the night.
-Not random. I respect Worcej as a player and if he was town then I wanted to clear him. If he was mafia then he would be a blind spot to me so I had to determine that.
-End of the night, I simply did an @Dip&Warfare as my final post in the event of my death although I was relatively certain I wasn’t going to die. I figured that somebody would get the hint if I did that he was my first scan and if I died it would be valuable enough to follow up on.

D3
-I got a Not guilty result on Worcej.
-With two different results I felt confident enough in my role to reveal what I was rather than waste the day with a pointless wagon on me when I have information.
-It was possible that I could have gone for a third result, but given the chaotic nature of the setup, additional information roles (potentially), and my own knowledge of two different results then I felt it best to just give up what I have.
-So yeah that about sums it all up.

[snowy801]

Would someone please remind me how to ISO Dip&War?

In the url just remove &Warfare

Mind posting the link? (I just tried and failed)

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=87&part=Day%201&user=Diplomacy

Change Day 1 (%20 is space) to Day 2, Night 1, etc.

[ND]

I'll be back later, but prob best to end it imo. Although if people want to root around for connections Dip&War made for 46 more hours that's fine too.

[damo666]

Thank you ND, nice summary.

@kotp you've got some explaining to do.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Thanks ND. Well played.

##vote Diplomacy&Warfare

[damo666]

I'll be back later, but prob best to end it imo. Although if people want to root around for connections Dip&War made for 46 more hours that's fine too.

What do you make of kotp saying his FALSE report on you is significant?

[damo666]

I will be unavailable after T-30h for more than six hours so I will put up an end vote before then so we can hammer at the appropriate time if desired.

[snowy801]

I will be unavailable after T-30h for more than six hours so I will put up an end vote before then so we can hammer at the appropriate time if desired.

Yeah go ahead there's enough people to handle the endhammer

[brainbomb]

I am the only person to have claimed to have visited ND N1.

And I can confirm that my visit would not have impacted sanity to alter his result

[Balki Bartokomous]

Thank you ND, nice summary.

@kotp you've got some explaining to do.

No he doesn’t. We don’t worry about claims until flips or hard claims.

[kingofthepirates]

Thank you ND, nice summary.

@kotp you've got some explaining to do.

right then, I'll take questions. If ND is coming out and hard claiming cop (i think that is the correct terminology), so am I. I've taken a second look at roles to refresh, and ND being op is not out of the question. If you're asking why vote for them, Will asked a question, and I answered truthfully. If I had to pick, I'd probably pick ND at the moment. My lack of engagement over the past few days has probably affected this, but ND's day 1 shenanigans/bit left a large first impression on me, and it was quite annoying. This was also before I followed my own idea and checked Vecna's vote for D2. Dr.Fid is now on the table for me as well, and combined with some of the D2 arguments I've read, I'm now leaning in this direction more than for ND.
at the moment, I'm totally unclear as to who I want to vote for, and until I catch up will be withholding from any decisions. any posters willing to drop a TLDR of stuff I've missed in the discussion for D3 and/or D2 are very much appreciated.

[snowy801]

Ooh spicy