Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[brainbomb]

This is not true day 1 and it doesn't even consider day 2?

Ill get to day 2 on you eventually old sport

Ok but will you fix day one?

I didnt see a justification for why you were voting sweet. If you wanna set the record straight on why by all means; show me and teach me how to understand you

[brainbomb]

It looks like your job today ghuggie was to run obfuscation on sweet so the rest of your team could power him out of the game.

Balki-you-fidelis is my guess
But dip and war also seems somewhat involved so im not sure what peice im missing

[ghug]

Ill get to day 2 on you eventually old sport

Ok but will you fix day one?

I didnt see a justification for why you were voting sweet. If you wanna set the record straight on why by all means; show me and teach me how to understand you

Ok I'm drunk again and the meta request appeals to me.

I don't endorse this strategy because we'll never actually do it and it would be bad even if we did and even if it were me but I do if it's me because I like power.

Parse that, assholes.

I'm not participating in this mayor stuff, but honestly I already determined that I would sheep you unless I feel strongly about someone. So I guess that is effectively a mayor vote.

Why would you do that? History suggests I'm only good at catching scum D1 if you're scum. Thus I can only conclude that you're inclined to sheep me because you're scum.

This is fair to omit but I'd expect you to note it at least and probably take it seriously.

Okay, let's talk about something else.

I still feel good about my Damo vote. How do other people feel about Damo and why?

Damo D1 MK would make me incredibly unhappy. Make a mental note and move onto someone else for the DK please.

I'm doing this myself with at least two players, but why are you advocating it to everyone, and why damo?

Here I'm probing. Again reasonable to admit, but useful context.

Hmmm I don’t like this take

I’m not confident in food being town but I should still say it so that town has info

Will, I really think you are Town but I think you are off track. Mainly because you seem to be tunneled and take everything Balki says as scummy, and you think I am not Town when in fact I am VT.

I want to vote sweet but we really need to take out the trash first.

I express a desire to vote sweet (ND is the trash). The VT claim pinged me.

So, sweet says my play is NAI at page 33.

Post 652:



Then he responds at 656 to a Will post that suggests that I may be Angel because...I'm doing a good job solving? (LOL at that, but whatevs, doesn't matter for the point I am making)



Then there is a bunch of discussion about how all this trying to pinpoint a mafia faction is silly and Will says "Angels are a net detriment to Town (LOL, obviously, but whatevs), and then sweetandcool says:



So , TLDR, in summary:

(1) sweetandcool says that Balki could be Angel because Balki mentioned a strategy that is anti-judge.

(2) People tell sweetandcool that we need to look for any kind of scum, not just Judges.

(3) So sweetandcool is happy to DK Balki...

In other words, sweetandcool is "okay to DK Balki" because Balki came up with a plan that is anti-Judge...

Hey sweetandcool, there is another faction that is anti-Judge that is not the Angel faction...it's the Town faction. Ad if you were trying to sort Scum from Town, I think you'd see that without being told.

I don't think this progression from sweetandcool is real. I think it's fake.

You ignore any reasons I suspect you.

Your anti-Judge plan is simply proof that you are not Judge.

This is fascinating though, thank you for the actionable content. I will have to think about this, but gut says scum.

"Proof"

Here I call him out on something small.

##VOTE sweetandcool

Goodnight

Here I vote sweet for the first time.

sweet is not the best at playing as scum. and what I saw looked like defeated frustrated sweet caving in on himself as per usual as mafia. last night he did a 180 on almost every read he had, he kept talking about exclusively needing to find judges and yet spent all his time focusing on balki being an angel. when asked about his take on non posters he claimed to agree with everything I said, and the things I said were all if/then questions so there is no possible way he really read my posts. He also clearly didnt really read my case on damo, and had already decided damo was town before ever even bothering.

most likely sweet is mafia, and doesnt like the setup, was hoping somehow that he could try to townside and it failed.

Yeah, I'm as weirded out as the next guy by the quick growth of the wagon, but the "my push didn't work so I'm backing off" thing is classic scum sweet.

Here I express a pretty serious concern.

sweet is not the best at playing as scum. and what I saw looked like defeated frustrated sweet caving in on himself as per usual as mafia. last night he did a 180 on almost every read he had, he kept talking about exclusively needing to find judges and yet spent all his time focusing on balki being an angel. when asked about his take on non posters he claimed to agree with everything I said, and the things I said were all if/then questions so there is no possible way he really read my posts. He also clearly didnt really read my case on damo, and had already decided damo was town before ever even bothering.

most likely sweet is mafia, and doesnt like the setup, was hoping somehow that he could try to townside and it failed.

So nobody thinks this looks like Mafia? This is not the brainbomb I know, spewing false narratives left and right. brain omb is definitely Mafia I have no doubts whatsoever.

This displays a scumtell I identified in myself at one point.

I will not be answering questions.

Here's the bit you quoted, which comes after all of the other shit and my first vote.

Unpopular opinion: I refuse to D1 sweet again after it’s happened like 3 times in recent games.

This is definitely a factor in my voting.

This is probably worth noting if you're analyzing my relationship to sweet. It's the truth, so I won't bother, but I'm sure you could find an ulterior motive.

##VOTE sweet

I don't want dip. I would do Ham.

Here I vote sweet despite the above because I didn't like the other options better. I moved on to Ham later.


I thought this was going to be you missing shit because you isoed but I'm honestly confused what your search method was that concluded that my only relevant opinion was one that I expressed after I voted him the first time. There's so much information there. What was your process?

[ghug]

It looks like your job today ghuggie was to run obfuscation on sweet so the rest of your team could power him out of the game.

Balki-you-fidelis is my guess
But dip and war also seems somewhat involved so im not sure what peice im missing

What does running obfuscation on sweet even mean?

In what fucking world am I Fid's teammate?

[DrFidelis]

It looks like your job today ghuggie was to run obfuscation on sweet so the rest of your team could power him out of the game.

Balki-you-fidelis is my guess
But dip and war also seems somewhat involved so im not sure what peice im missing

What does running obfuscation on sweet even mean?

In what fucking world am I Fid's teammate?

Well, townies are teammates, no? Are you...not also town?

[ghug]

It looks like your job today ghuggie was to run obfuscation on sweet so the rest of your team could power him out of the game.

Balki-you-fidelis is my guess
But dip and war also seems somewhat involved so im not sure what peice im missing

What does running obfuscation on sweet even mean?

In what fucking world am I Fid's teammate?

Well, townies are teammates, no? Are you...not also town?

Lol good catch

Fid's [scum] teammate. It's just patently absurd that I'd go out on this limb for a scum teammate that is realistically doomed.

[damo666]

It looks like your job today ghuggie was to run obfuscation on sweet so the rest of your team could power him out of the game.

Balki-you-fidelis is my guess
But dip and war also seems somewhat involved so im not sure what peice im missing

What does running obfuscation on sweet even mean?

In what fucking world am I Fid's teammate?

Well, townies are teammates, no? Are you...not also town?

Why did you not partake in N1 hyposcan?

[damo666]

@food

I'll respond to you when on laptop. Phone awkward.

[Kakarroto]

2 for 2 on taking out town, though that's probably par for the course in webDip forum mafia.

so glad you had so much work put in to remedy the course

[Kakarroto]

Also ND, you do realize drF is also a low freq poster and youre trying to kill him, right?

I've been on to him since D1 bozo

the question is why, especially since he did post less on D1 than D2, and you are so adamantly against voting low posters

[Kakarroto]

Well this is true. Sweet played a bizarre game.

did he? I thought he had a quite normal play.

What does strike you so overly bizarre on his play?

[Kakarroto]

From the Holier than thou QT:
Balki: we survive again guys. i have prepared a beaker full of a chemical drink I want us all to try. This drink is an elixir which will help us win this game. It makes us incapable of helping anyone.

Ghug: Ive already been playing like I dont want anything to happen

Dipandwar: Yes. i too have been looking for evidence everywhere and I keep finding virtually nothing.

Damo: There is no evidence in mafia. If there were ive been playing it wrong for years.

Ghug: oh thats a definite reality. Youve been playing wrong for years.

balki: Well I have to go my sword swallower contest if about to begin

Ghug: they swallow swords in costa rica?

Balki: No but It helps clear all the hot dogs out of my chest cavity

Before I probably get voted out D3, what the heck is a QT?

I want to flip ND first, he's playing so egregious that I just want to end vote him out of the game. In the low chance he is actually town, he should finally start to play and inform us of his tells, and try to find out stuff, because he is doing absolutely nothing. And even then he needs to do a lot, before I consider not voting him out.

[Kakarroto]

Well, I am in a lawn chair, sipping on a pina colada, listening to the howler monkeys and the birds, focusing on the bright side.

We’re about to get a full second round of cop reports, and our PRs remain hidden. We’re down two, but were putting a bunch of scans in the thread to interpret later. We’re going to be okay. Just need our townies to be even more assertive because almost half of the people in the thread tomorrow are going to be wolves. It won’t be a good time to be a passive follower.

what do you think now, who is your most likely mafia, after sweet flipped town?

[Kakarroto]

GM NOTE

Since you so rudely killed him, I have re-animated Sweetandcool's still-warm corpse and promoted him to co-GM.

Please respect any GM notices posted to the thread by Sweetandcool.

All hail our new and old co-GM

[Kakarroto]

At this time I noted two things

Dip and war wagon was no longer a thing
Hamilton was strangely below both me and sweets post total

???

Brian was already voted out on D2, what are you talking about?

[Kakarroto]

It looks like your job today ghuggie was to run obfuscation on sweet so the rest of your team could power him out of the game.

Balki-you-fidelis is my guess
But dip and war also seems somewhat involved so im not sure what peice im missing

I could see a team like that. I am however not convinced anyone of those are conclusive mafia.

Why don't you put d&w into the team making it balki-ghug-fidelis-d&w? Isn't there a 4-person mafia team?

Would you think that those might be good targets to be scanned?

[damo666]

Hey damo

You made the critical choice for the daykill by flipping off from DrF at the last second to go onto sweet.

In your iso yesterday your final word on them where you make an outright alignment statement was as below. You indicate that DrF is null-scum and sweet is null. Therefore, you explicitly thought that DrF was scummier than sweet. Indeed, this is what your reads list shows.

You provided no rationale in your final flip to pull the lever on sweet over DrF.

So why did you make a last minute move onto sweet to kill him over DrF?

DrF

Do you town read Fidelis?

No, he's in my null-scum bucket.

sweetandcool

Remind me again why you think sweet is scum?
I've come around again to think that he isn't

He's gravitated to null for me (see my list) but I think it may be instructive if he's in top two wagons again as there is possible he was saved yesterday with the Ham flash (because I wasn't). However, he's not a priority.

And for completeness, here is your referenced list:

Putting people into buckets (mainly for my own benefit), unranked within buckets

TOWN (will not vote for)
damo
brain

Null to TOWN (very unlikely to vote for)
Chaqa
Kak
Kotp
Snowy

Null (could be persuaded to vote for and definitely would to self save)
RHK
Dip
food
ghug
Will
ND
rdr
sweet
Vecna

Null - SCUM (will probably vote from here)
Balki
Dr F
worcej

SCUM (would happily vote)
Nobody as yet

Yes, you're right sweet was in a higher bucket but in the last minute or two once the Balki wagon had dissipated it was clearly a 3 way choice between ND, DrF and sweet and I was pretty ambivalent. My main concern was hoping for it not to be a tie. ghug didn't want DrF and chaqa didn't ant sweet. I decided changing at the last few seconds maximised the chance of a non tie as there would be little chance to react. I acknowledge it was risky. I was happy to vote sweet because
a) I thought he had been saved D1 (it turns out it was TvTvT)
b) hopefully provided more info than the other two
c) was unlikely to be town PR due to the vt claim

Having indicated I would probably vote DrF over sweet the element of surprise also appealed to me.

Basically I just gambled hoping to avoid a tie.

[Kakarroto]

End Of Day 2 Vote Count

sweetandcool(8) - Balki Bartokomous, worcej, rdrivera2005, DrFidelis, kingofthepirates, ghug, damo666, JustAGuyNamedWill
DrFidelis(6) - foodcoats, brainbomb, Vecna, ND, sweetandcool, Diplomacy&Warfare
ND(4)Kakarroto, DemonRHK, Chaqa, snowy801

Please Keep Holding.

Looking at that, I get the feeling that most town were on ND or DrFid. We have three options here, one that was highly involved (sweet), and two where we had very low information off (DrFid and ND).

Why would you want to get rid of high posters? Sweet did a good job in putting stuff out, getting information, talking, it just feels like he was smeared by mafia and then all mafia preferred getting sweet out over the other low posters. To be fair, I didn't find him especially towny, but I didn't find him mafia-esque either. I think we will find a proportional high mafia count in the sweet voters here.

It might just be, that DrFid was saved by voting for sweet. That would make ghug and damo prime candidates for being on the team of him. Will did vote too, but that was more of a 'don't tie' vote, I think, which ghug usually does. Although he also proclaimed that he hates the DrFid wagon. Hmm. Well, d&w did vote sweet too, though that vote didn't count since it was after.

Also, maybe I'm wrong that ND is mafia, but nonetheless he has been unhelpful and we know nothing but that he wants to get rid of DrFid, for whatever real reason.

I feel very good about food, brain and Vecna now. I'm surprised with ND not voting for sweet here, but that might be still a maf-strategy. He needs to do a lot before I consider him not to be a good vote candidate.

[Kakarroto]

Why is ND so happy about being wagoned?

was he?

LOL there won't be a tie. I can promise you all that. Ghug/Vecna won't allow that with me on the platter for dinner.

##VOTE ND

that's a good boy

that doesn't look to me as if he enjoys it. More like he expected people voting for him because of reasons.

Or was it something else that you thought he was happy to be wagoned on? Are you perhaps on a team with ND who is mean machine? Or did you want to throw shade here?

Why didn't you vote him after you pointed that out?

all 4 wagons are bad wagons lol

At least sweet and balki and ND provide entertainment

Vecna on scumteam with DrF perhaps?

would maf-vecna say just that?

I will vote whichever wagon keeps Sweet alive.

If he flips mafia I'm gonna look real dumb lol

I don't think this is maf-chaqa here. Sure, he would have a smaller pool to guess who is town or the other mafia team, but I don't think maf-chaqa would put his neck out there in that situation

[foodcoats]

Hey food,
What do you think of the other three wagons (balki, ND, DrF) that didn't go through? What about damo? Finally, please give me your read on brain.

I’ll have to look at those tomorrow.

I did notice a weird little push on Chaqa towards EOD yesterday. Vecna has been jokingly pushing Chaqa and he got brain and ghug to go there with him. It looked wrong.

I think brain is town.