Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Its a metaphor for life guys trust

[DrFidelis]

Time to start interrogating people:
*walks into the interrogation room. DrFidelis is hanging upside down from one ankle and is barely conscious.*
Where do you know jamiet from?

*spits out a bloody tooth* He put out a poster advertising homes in this town at a coffee shop I frequent...

*the question was serious*

Serious answer, I either only knew Jamiet through this or MAYBE some other thread or game we were in.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

*spits out a bloody tooth* He put out a poster advertising homes in this town at a coffee shop I frequent...

*the question was serious*

Serious answer, I either only knew Jamiet through this or MAYBE some other thread or game we were in.

Which would be...?

[Balki Bartokomous]

DrF, I know it's a lot to read, but I feel strongly that you're town and we're going to need you to convince a couple more people of that. Can you try to give some assessments of players based on what you have read?

Convince me! Why do you think DrF is Town?

1. Something pinged me sometime before I made my read list N1. I largely did that as an organizational exercise because I struggle to keep track of everything in games this large, and sure enough I've since forgotten, but I trust myself. I understand that this is not going to compel anyone and will probably try to find the reason at some point in the near future.
2. Copied shamelessly from a previous post "I don't see scum talking in the game thread the first few hours of the night and then forgetting the game entirely for two days." There's a temporality to when he disappeared that doesn't line up with when scum would divest from the game. Night is exciting for scum. You get to talk to your team. And he would have had time to talk to his team some and then disappeared shortly thereafter?
3. The wagon was sketch as fuck. Everyone just took sweet's post at face value without even digging at all, and I was the only person defending him. Someone was being opportunistic there, and nobody was on his side.

I find this post fairly persuasive. You convinced me!

[Chaqa]

We may be giving lurkers too much leeway

Why didnt we kill rdr or ND again?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

DrF, I know it's a lot to read, but I feel strongly that you're town and we're going to need you to convince a couple more people of that. Can you try to give some assessments of players based on what you have read?

Convince me! Why do you think DrF is Town?

1. Something pinged me sometime before I made my read list N1. I largely did that as an organizational exercise because I struggle to keep track of everything in games this large, and sure enough I've since forgotten, but I trust myself. I understand that this is not going to compel anyone and will probably try to find the reason at some point in the near future.
2. Copied shamelessly from a previous post "I don't see scum talking in the game thread the first few hours of the night and then forgetting the game entirely for two days." There's a temporality to when he disappeared that doesn't line up with when scum would divest from the game. Night is exciting for scum. You get to talk to your team. And he would have had time to talk to his team some and then disappeared shortly thereafter?
3. The wagon was sketch as fuck. Everyone just took sweet's post at face value without even digging at all, and I was the only person defending him. Someone was being opportunistic there, and nobody was on his side.

[brainbomb]

Day 1 4 hours to go

++VOTE COUNT 1.7++
sweetandcool (7) - Balki Bartokomous, ghug, damo666, Diplomacy&Warfare, brainbomb, Vecna, kingofthepirates
damo666 (5) - foodcoats, rdrivera2005, Chaqa, DrFidelis, worcej
ghug (2) - sweetandcool(end), snowy801
JustAGuyNamedWill (1) - dargorygel
DrFidelis (1) - ND
Balki Bartokomous (1) - JustAGuyNamedWill
No‑Kill (1) - Kakarroto

Now SWEETANDCOOL is set to be exiled to the Cursed Earth.

Hamilton Brian has not voted.

4hrs 44mins remain in Day One.

Reasoning given by each sweet voter will be published next with notes

[brainbomb]

balki

I'm suspicious of all this because it looks to me, @sweet, that you felt like you didn't have a good read on me, then you started making some posts about my mechanical discussion that sort of assumed I was Angel, and finally when your "let's not try to chop Angel" thesis was debunked, you retreated to "okay I'm cool with a Balki chop."

That is a super strange progression because your discussion about why I might be Angel came only from a "Balki is unlikely to be Judge" place, which would have likely caused a more genuine progression to think "Oh, Balki is making things hard for the Judges so he is more likely than random to be Town."

Doesn't seem real. And especially because you seemed perturbed by me asking you to explain why you suspected I was an angel, and refused to do it when I asked you at first, just seemed like you didn't have that at all clear in your head, because the whole thing was pretend.

So, I'm feeling like Sweet is more likely than random to be Scum, as his scumhunt appears to be something he is pretending.

Balki suggests that sweet is scum because sweets scumhunting looks like pretending. I find it hard to imagine balki would think sweet was faking; but never even try to look at sweets other reads, like dr fid today. Balki seems to have been fairly lazy in this

[brainbomb]

Ghug

sweet is not the best at playing as scum. and what I saw looked like defeated frustrated sweet caving in on himself as per usual as mafia. last night he did a 180 on almost every read he had, he kept talking about exclusively needing to find judges and yet spent all his time focusing on balki being an angel. when asked about his take on non posters he claimed to agree with everything I said, and the things I said were all if/then questions so there is no possible way he really read my posts. He also clearly didnt really read my case on damo, and had already decided damo was town before ever even bothering.

most likely sweet is mafia, and doesnt like the setup, was hoping somehow that he could try to townside and it failed.

So nobody thinks this looks like Mafia? This is not the brainbomb I know, spewing false narratives left and right. brain omb is definitely Mafia I have no doubts whatsoever.

This displays a scumtell I identified in myself at one point.

I will not be answering questions.

This is the only mention day 1 of scumreading ghug.

[brainbomb]

Scumreading sweet by ghug*

[brainbomb]

Damo is the counterwagon so I will skip him. He states “I had no choice”

[brainbomb]

Dip and War

So, evidence against sweet:

• He voted Balki because Balki was anti-judge

• He are single-voting Ghug

• He is non-confrontational, changing his vote 8 times

• He compared himself to Will, who is being mildly scummy

Did I miss anything?
##VOTE SWEET

Dip is new and thinks these conjectures are a form of evidence. Lionel Hutz thinks these are good enough reasons to kill sweet however today this evidence changes.

[brainbomb]

So, here's the thing.
I have a strong scumread on DrF and a weak scumread on sweet. However, damo and brain are voting DrF, and I don't trust either of them - damo has been suspicious all game and brain made a really scummy post N1 "scum pls kill these people". On the other hand, Balki, kotp and worcej are all riding the sweet wagon, and I townread all three.
(chaqa, food, and rdr are all nulls)
Ima go analyze DrF and sweet's posts from D1 and when I get back I will vote.
Also, people voting for ND, Balki, and Will should probably move their votes. The MMA only gets a kill if they have at least one vote, so ideally we should to clean up low-vote wagons.

Midway into day 2, dip still has a slight scumread on sweet.
I think this makes dip seem pretty good but I see no reason why sweet became a lesser scumread from day 1

[brainbomb]

DrF came DrFidelis has been spending significant amounts of time on the forum (by "Users Browsing this forum") but has posted minimally. They also said that they "forgot" to read, which is interesting given the, y'know, large amount of time spent on the forum. This constitutes a small scumread, but probably not enough to vote them out. After re-reading all of their 13 posts this whole game, I have a weak scumread on them. Sweet is mildly scummy as well, but has been helpful so I hesitate to vote them, as a miskill on sweet would remove one of our best players.

The more I read Balki's posts, though, the more scummy they seem. Balki made the hypo scan plan at the beginning, but it hasn't gone that well. Also, Balki has posted about 200 times but hasn't done much other than wagoning sweet and making and arguing about the hypo plan. Balki is still not a good wagon but better than DrF or Sweet.
##VOTE BALKI

Dip is not willing to find enough reasons to say sweet is town, but he is willing to make more wagons to compete with two people he already scumreads

He thinks fid is scum
Balki is scum
And sweet is scum


This seems to be unecessary activity he shouldnt feel like he needs to do if any of these reads are real

[ghug]

Convince me! Why do you think DrF is Town?

1. Something pinged me sometime before I made my read list N1. I largely did that as an organizational exercise because I struggle to keep track of everything in games this large, and sure enough I've since forgotten, but I trust myself. I understand that this is not going to compel anyone and will probably try to find the reason at some point in the near future.
2. Copied shamelessly from a previous post "I don't see scum talking in the game thread the first few hours of the night and then forgetting the game entirely for two days." There's a temporality to when he disappeared that doesn't line up with when scum would divest from the game. Night is exciting for scum. You get to talk to your team. And he would have had time to talk to his team some and then disappeared shortly thereafter?
3. The wagon was sketch as fuck. Everyone just took sweet's post at face value without even digging at all, and I was the only person defending him. Someone was being opportunistic there, and nobody was on his side.

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You weren't voting him but I didn't get as much of an active defense vibe.

[ghug]

Ghug

So nobody thinks this looks like Mafia? This is not the brainbomb I know, spewing false narratives left and right. brain omb is definitely Mafia I have no doubts whatsoever.

This displays a scumtell I identified in myself at one point.

I will not be answering questions.

This is the only mention day 1 of scumreading ghug.

This is not true day 1 and it doesn't even consider day 2?

[brainbomb]

Vecna

Hi Vecna,

Solve before EOD please.

Hint: I'm town, sweet is scum.

okay, cool

##vote sweetandcool

Vecna hops into game and just joins as damo requests.
Later says sweet was chainsawwing me in a fairly ridiculous tone.
Ends day on damo.

Vecna changes a lot day 2 and promotes many other wagon ideas than sweet. Vecna seems town and not connected to the people who displayed scummier statements vs sweet


He tries to claim my fight with sweet is a marker for scum theater and tries wagons on ND, chaqa, and drfid


I dont think vecna can be scum there as it seems to be more just a towny off livin off the land

[brainbomb]

Ghug

This displays a scumtell I identified in myself at one point.

I will not be answering questions.

This is the only mention day 1 of scumreading ghug.

This is not true day 1 and it doesn't even consider day 2?

Ill get to day 2 on you eventually old sport

[ghug]

Ghug





This is the only mention day 1 of scumreading ghug.

This is not true day 1 and it doesn't even consider day 2?

Ill get to day 2 on you eventually old sport

Ok but will you fix day one?

[brainbomb]

Pirates

Quick question: what is VT?

As for damo vs sweet, I feel like damo is motivated more by lack of participation than actual evidence. I lean towards the sweet wagon because of this, also since sweet is the one who began the accusations against first posters. While I can see the logic, I feel the argument is pretty flimsy overall; there are any number of reasons one could be posting early, such as checking at just the right time (by chance), or noticing the incorrect time. Granted, being in early chat ready to snipe could be a reason, but is certainly not the only one.

Just my thoughts, please discuss.

Justification for voting sweet here is mostly just going with the consensus and he didnt like sweets arguments about scum being all early posters. This could be mafia afraid of sweet identifying his scum partners who posted early: balki, ghug and will. And wanting to save one of them from future sweet inquiry