Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[Balki Bartokomous]

I'm not overly fond of chopping a game into a mechanical grind
I feel like game types like item madness or something like this is best played in chaos, even understanding that one may well argue that it is "unoptimal" to do so

Okay, I can grok that as a general tendency, but can you give some more specific thought to the plan I proposed in this format? My feeling is that the multi-cop set-up here is uniquely suited for this particular plan because we're not really going to be able to use cop reveals very well until the cop flips. So cops are likely going to want to breadcrumb their results so that we have their info to use after they flip. By forcing everyone to provide hypo results, we allow our Cops to put that info in the thread without risk of laying breadcrumbs that can lead back to them. Also, because of all the Cop distortions, the bad guys are not going to be able to use all of the hypo posts to figure out who is a real cop and who is not a real cop.

So, I just think this plan requires more thought than "I don't like doing stuff with mechanics." I am not proposing that we use the hypo scan plan as the sole way of playing the game. We need to talk to each other and sort wolves from town. Adding a hypo scan is not a substitute for playing the game, it's just a useful way of ensuring the cop information is here in the thread for us when it becomes more useful.

Remind me to do this tomorrow and I shall (probably) elaborate

* Balki reminds Snowy *

[ND]

@Chaqa

Haai Darling, it's so lovely to read your profoundly exquisite words again darling! I truly hope that you have a wonnnnderful baby!!!

Thaaaank yoooou sooooo much for telling us alllll about this woooonderful moment now we cann all be a part of this special day just for you baby

[Balki Bartokomous]

Anyways sweet is town

Brain is suspicious

Balki is suspicious

Ohhhhhh...this feels like a town post. It has the right sort of prickles.

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Chaqa

Haai Darling, it's so lovely to read your profoundly exquisite words again darling! I truly hope that you have a wonnnnderful baby!!!

Thaaaank yoooou sooooo much for telling us alllll about this woooonderful moment now we cann all be a part of this special day just for you baby

Okay, this was fun. Can we stop?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

@Will bae

uwu

Lil ole me noticed how you mentioned neeeeeeeeeeew players in the game, ya know? Annd how they were neeeeeeeeeeew and how you didn't want to, ya know, vote for em? Maybe I just don't understand

Can you explain your genius thought process to lil ole me some bae?

K, thx sweetie

Beware the Will tunneler to catboy pipeline

Anyways because theyre knew and i will give them an ample chance to play

I must have sympathy on new players

Thx bae

Seems to lil ole me that you may have a blind spot then if you aren't questioning equally

So be it. Maybe it’ll wear off by D3 if I’m still around. If I die for any reason ND will inherit the honor of new player defender.

[ND]

@Diplomacy & Warfare

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiii

It's so nice to plaay with yoouuu

Something you said that lil ole me has a query abouut!

On Page 12, you say, "4. Ghug is town because they agreed with Balki but didn't change their vote off Balki. Scum Ghug would pay attention to these things and change their vote. In other words, ghug is being too lazy to be scum."

Can you plz explain this more babe thx uwu <3

[Balki Bartokomous]

I think sweet and brain are town.

… that’s all I got.

THis post and the few before it feel townish. Not confident, but slight lean here.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Okay its been ten posts hopefully the bit wears off by now

[sweetandcool]

was in a meeting there and could not reply. I have progressions. I have talked about Hamilton. I mentioned how some of his statements seem odd. I quoted them in page 16. there is not much but his activity level matches where I would expect him to be as mafia.

I also asked snowy why he had hamilton as 1000% for vt claiming.

as for lack of progression on damo. damo made my list recently when I was mentioning low volume people. his posts about balki seems like he isnt reading the game and just wanted an easy thing to jump on to then disappear. it could also mean hes mafia with balki. But overall your assessment is wrong, there isnt alot of progression but its good enough for me.

This is interesting. brainbomb, how would you say damo has differed from his usual D1? What makes damo specifically more likely to be Mafia than Town?

Does he normally seem more engaged D1?

[ND]

@Dr. Fidelis

Haaaaaiiii

I <3 you

Seems to lil ole mee that you were very quickk with your vote bae sooo what's your thoughts on this greeeeeeeeeeeeeat game and all these wonderful, super smart, amaaaazing, genius players?

K, thx, byeee

[Balki Bartokomous]

On further thought I also think d&w might be townie and Kennit is a bit suspicious.

What is a Kennit and why is it suspicious?

[ND]

Haaiiii @Will

Can u explain your thoughts more? Specifically about Brain's criterias on Page 10 for lil ole me plzzz and also your so very well reasoned and genius reads that you posted on thattt page for meee plz? Thxx

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

At this point I should’ve lost my scumread on Balki but it’s sticking.

Dunno why. Somethings off.

Same with brain in general. But at least he has an excuse.

[ND]

@Chaqa

Haai Darling, it's so lovely to read your profoundly exquisite words again darling! I truly hope that you have a wonnnnderful baby!!!

Thaaaank yoooou sooooo much for telling us alllll about this woooonderful moment now we cann all be a part of this special day just for you baby

Okay, this was fun. Can we stop?

Whaaat? This is jusst who I am now meanie Balki

[ND]

I have to go do other things now lovely people sooo I shall be back soon

[kingofthepirates]

Is this normal ND behavior or is the uwu exaggerated speak new?

[sweetandcool]

Anyways sweet is town

Brain is suspicious

Balki is suspicious

Ohhhhhh...this feels like a town post. It has the right sort of prickles.

I'm of the opinion Will is town.

You'll probably find Will to be a hard to read player. Consequently, I'm not convicted here. But so far he's been doing things I would mostly attribute to Town Will. And no, I'm not going to elaborate right now, because it's hard to put into words what I'm looking for when evaluating Will.

[kingofthepirates]

Also: anyone particularly sus? you all can make up your own opinions on this, but I hope my naivety is enough to clear me :).

[sweetandcool]

Also: anyone particularly sus? you all can make up your own opinions on this, but I hope my naivety is enough to clear me :).

You.

Please discuss.

[Balki Bartokomous]

So one more thing if we got through with Balki’s proposed plan:

If we do agree on doing it, everyone should find a completely random way to decide who they are targeting (maybe a random number generator) and maybe flip a coin to decide whether they get innocent or mafia result

The cop would obviously pick whoever they want

This can solve a few things:

That way we can remove any chance of mafia interpreting who people are choosing and the risk involved with keeping them alive

We can also allow a venue for the cop to hide why they selected that person

Personally I am for the plan, if that isn’t clear

I do not agree with this amendment to the plan I proposed.

The problem I see here is that having all non-cops randomize their selections, and all cops make carefully considered selections, may give wolves information about which cops are real. As an example, if there is someone who is an obviously poor target for a Cop to pick, then anyone who picks that target randomly would be (accurately) less likely to be Cop in the eyes of the Wolves.

I don't think there is a problem that would be solved with randomized hypo targets. Between up to 7 wolves picking hypo targets, #realcops picking real targets, and Town!fake!Cops picking targets for unspecified reasons, I don't think that the selected targets are going to help guide Wolf kills too much. I suspect that there will be other considerations that will be much more significant in choosing Wolf kills.

Ooooo....another advantage of this plan, with the #ghugcorollary: If real cop visits Judge Fear, and then dies, we will know after the reveal (and based on the EON post) about the visit. This might help us catch Judge Fear.