Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[foodcoats]

why mail man?

Because then he would've received "Failure" because that's what I got.

that's my point, so he can't be mail man since he said he got "Electoral Commissions Officer". Or why would he say that if he was mail man?

Exactly, he cannot be the Mail Man. The only roles that could return a role name are PI and Corrupt Cop, and then that result cascades to the "readers," Mail Man and Hacker. But since Jamie targeted me and I know for certain I got "Failure," he didn't read my return, he read my role. And since the PI is dead, he is not the PI.

[foodcoats]

Welp yes the fun has died, goodnight all!

But everyone keep claiming and help town get as much as we can as fast as we can.

[damo666]

This is fun!

[Kakarroto]

Because then he would've received "Failure" because that's what I got.

that's my point, so he can't be mail man since he said he got "Electoral Commissions Officer". Or why would he say that if he was mail man?

Exactly, he cannot be the Mail Man. The only roles that could return a role name are PI and Corrupt Cop, and then that result cascades to the "readers," Mail Man and Hacker. But since Jamie targeted me and I know for certain I got "Failure," he didn't read my return, he read my role. And since the PI is dead, he is not the PI.

"You are the Mail Man. You take a sneaky peak at people's mail as you deliver it. You return what your target returned."

why would it cascade to mail man? A town role? Who wouldn't lie about scanning you or their message if you get 'Failure'? Sorry that just doesn't make sense. At least to me. Is anyone getting what food is saying and can explain it to me?

[Kakarroto]

This is fun!

I think we have a different definition of fun. Or at least taste.

[Chaqa]

I got “undelivered” on Bob

This is the other important-for-being-narrow claim. Chaqa can be one of three roles: Maf Hacker, Paper Delivery Boy, or Mail Man (or the Door Darter, except he CANNOT be the Door Darter if sweet is telling the truth and received a delivery).

I don't know if I understand why my target was undelivered.

Does this mean I was roleblocked?

[BobMcBob]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but middle manager also returns a role, yes?

[BobMcBob]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but middle manager also returns a role, yes?

Although I suppose that's not relevant here since Bunny was clearly not ECO.

[Hamilton Brian]

I feel like my head is stuck in a vice.

Just looking at the questions Biunny asked during initial setup.

1. If the Doctor's target is not attacked, does that return a "success" or "failure" message to the Doctor? 1. Failure. They didn't do anything

Ah, I kind of see how that works.

But this is wonky.

And I'm sus on the fact that lfishl didn't target me. I thought we had all agreed so why deviate?

[sweetandcool]

Because then he would've received "Failure" because that's what I got.

that's my point, so he can't be mail man since he said he got "Electoral Commissions Officer". Or why would he say that if he was mail man?

Exactly, he cannot be the Mail Man. The only roles that could return a role name are PI and Corrupt Cop, and then that result cascades to the "readers," Mail Man and Hacker. But since Jamie targeted me and I know for certain I got "Failure," he didn't read my return, he read my role. And since the PI is dead, he is not the PI.

This is pretty silly. One of you is lying, or both.

Scum have motivation to lie, but I think some town players (rightly or wrongly) have motivation to lie as well.

I'm not sure which one of you is lying yet.

[Hamilton Brian]

This is the other important-for-being-narrow claim. Chaqa can be one of three roles: Maf Hacker, Paper Delivery Boy, or Mail Man (or the Door Darter, except he CANNOT be the Door Darter if sweet is telling the truth and received a delivery).

I did not claim I received a delivery. I do not know my role.

You said:

I got delivered.

What did that mean?

He was driven?

[foodcoats]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but middle manager also returns a role, yes?

Although I suppose that's not relevant here since Bunny was clearly not ECO.

Ooh, good catch Bob! I didn’t play Excel hard enough. Not relevant re Jamie but def relevant to D&W’s possible roles.

[foodcoats]

I did not claim I received a delivery. I do not know my role.

You said:

I got delivered.

What did that mean?

He was driven?

Not how driver works.

Sweet what did you mean, you sweet cool person?

[Hamilton Brian]

Detective is still out there and returns an alignment? But we don't want that player outing themselves, right? No, I am not PR hunting.

[foodcoats]

I got “undelivered” on Bob

This is the other important-for-being-narrow claim. Chaqa can be one of three roles: Maf Hacker, Paper Delivery Boy, or Mail Man (or the Door Darter, except he CANNOT be the Door Darter if sweet is telling the truth and received a delivery).

I don't know if I understand why my target was undelivered.

Does this mean I was roleblocked?

Yes, or you are maf hacker or mail man and read someone’s personal correspondence.

[Hamilton Brian]

You said:



What did that mean?

He was driven?

Not how driver works.

Sweet what did you mean, you sweet cool person?

Right, DDDriver returns the target of their target. Same for Ruber.

[foodcoats]

Detective is still out there and returns an alignment? But we don't want that player outing themselves, right? No, I am not PR hunting.

Yes, and internal affairs returns Town always, and mail man / hacker can read those returns

[foodcoats]

You said:



What did that mean?

He was driven?

Not how driver works.

Sweet what did you mean, you sweet cool person?

I assume sweet was visited by door darter, who is a fruit vendor.

[Nephthys]

I returned "Electoral Commissions Officer"

Who did you target? (sorry if this is already posted later, catching up)

This is one of the most important claims so far because it produces the narrowest range of possible roles for D&W: Mafia Corrupt Cop, Mafia Hacker, or Mail Man. He is not the PI because Bunny was.

D&W is 66% scum mechanically, and all 12 other claims so far could also be the Mail Man (I am pretty sure at this stage that basically anyone with any claim could be the Mail Man, until we do second level triage). Overall it is quite likely D&W is scum if he is telling the truth (and if he is lying, I'm not sure why).

????

Middle Manager
You are the Middle Manager. You see what projects people are working on. You return the role of your target's target.

[foodcoats]

Also I was targeted by curfew enforcer or sicko because ECO goes before NK.