Frankly, I think it is the only viable solution. True carebears will always leave themselves open to a stab at some point. A few lessons usually disabuses of the notion that it is intelligent play.
The Carebear Conundrum
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Re: The Carebear Conundrum
Octavious is an hypocritical, supercilious tit.
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Do you realise that if you have it your way, it will diminish the number of game players?
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I suspect not. I think that removing carebears would improve the gaming experience considerably, leading to an increase in the number of game players.
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Re: The Carebear Conundrum
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?PRINCE WILLIAM wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:05 amDo you realise that if you have it your way, it will diminish the number of game players?
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Re: The Carebear Conundrum
Wusti is exactly right. You guys who don't like playing with us need to devise clever means of kicking our asses. Wusti may have your answer. When you find us, kill us. That is your game. You can be carebear terminators. Meanwhile, we in the resistance will try to kill you.
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I think you guys complaining about the existence of carebears is the equivalent of old school NBA players complaining about the new way basketball is played with all the 3 point shooting. It is just whining.
Find us and kill us. That is all you have to do.
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I don't know what that first part means. So far as the second part - I've made my strategy for dealing with quasi-cheating Carebears. I'll throw the game to the larger member of the alliance. If I'm going down then I might as well take someone with me. Besides that it's incredibly difficult to dislodge a two person carebare alliance once its formed - especially if it's something like France & England.Johnny Big Horse wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 4:38 pmI think you guys complaining about the existence of carebears is the equivalent of old school NBA players complaining about the new way basketball is played with all the 3 point shooting. It is just whining.
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I see what you are getting at here, but it is a very poor analogy.Johnny Big Horse wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 4:38 pmI think you guys complaining about the existence of carebears is the equivalent of old school NBA players complaining about the new way basketball is played with all the 3 point shooting. It is just whining.
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This is the bit you got right:
Fixed.Johnny Big Horse wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 4:38 pmIt is just whining.
Find us and kill us. That is all you have to do.
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Re: The Carebear Conundrum
I think Carebearing is a strategy like any other strategy, people do it because they find it fun and effective. There is only one way to stop people doing it, showing that it is in fact not effective and or not fun. It is pointless just telling people to stop, as they have no incentive to stop. I liked the comment which recommended setting up non-carebear lobbies for those who REALLY hate it and, if you do that, there is no reason to dislike those who do it, they are just different. At least, that is my point of view.
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It's not effective by definition. If you don't try win you don't win.
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It depends on how they want to play the game. I think we can all agree that people shouldn't be FORCED to play in certain ways, only unincentivized, or else you will just push people away.
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Re: The Carebear Conundrum
You think we can all agree on that? Have you not read any of the previous posts in this thread? Players willfully ignoring the object of the game is at the heart of the disagreement.
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Re: The Carebear Conundrum
Not everyone plays basketball to win. Some play to sharpen their skills, or to impress other people. Should they not be allowed to play?
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One last point... The world is as it is. We can yell and scream about the cold, rain and mud, focusing on how bad things are, or we can accept that this is indeed how it is, and wear the right clothes and stay dry and do what we want to do. People who whine about the conditions in world never get anywhere. They just stay miserable. Those who accept that it is what it is, make plans to deal with it, and often end up getting what they want.
This argument about carebears is just a subset of people whining and not accepting reality and crafting a reality that meets their needs. Quit whining and just kill the carebears. It is very simple.
This argument about carebears is just a subset of people whining and not accepting reality and crafting a reality that meets their needs. Quit whining and just kill the carebears. It is very simple.
Re: The Carebear Conundrum
That seems silly to me. If you force everyone to play the way you want them to play, not only will people lose interest and stop playing, but you will also stop any innovation and so no-one would ever have any reason to stop carebearing other than other people forcing them to one way or another.
Edit: Look two up for what I am responding to. Someone was typing at the same time.
Edit: Look two up for what I am responding to. Someone was typing at the same time.
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Re: The Carebear Conundrum
If you are not trying to win whilst playing on a team of others who are then you are a selfish tit who has no business being there and will get thrown off the team. If you are thinking of someone on a basketball court who is just shooting hoops because they like to shoot hoops, that's absolutely fine. But what they are doing is shooting hoops, not playing a game of basketball.Johnny Big Horse wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:11 pmNot everyone plays basketball to win. Some play to sharpen their skills, or to impress other people. Should they not be allowed to play?
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Re: The Carebear Conundrum
In real life, warfare isn't the only way of attacking someone. America helped and encouraged the downfall of the French and British empires, together with the Soviet Union. That is one of the things they could agree upon.Johnny Big Horse wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:09 pmAccording to your worldview, the Americans should have turned on the French, then the British, after Germany and Japan were vanquished in WWII.
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Actually they should've collectively taken out Russia, and then sorted it out.eitchmann wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:28 pmIn real life, warfare isn't the only way of attacking someone. America helped and encouraged the downfall of the French and British empires, together with the Soviet Union. That is one of the things they could agree upon.Johnny Big Horse wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:09 pmAccording to your worldview, the Americans should have turned on the French, then the British, after Germany and Japan were vanquished in WWII.
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Nice comment.eitchmann wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:28 pmIn real life, warfare isn't the only way of attacking someone. America helped and encouraged the downfall of the French and British empires, together with the Soviet Union. That is one of the things they could agree upon.Johnny Big Horse wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:09 pmAccording to your worldview, the Americans should have turned on the French, then the British, after Germany and Japan were vanquished in WWII.
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Re: The Carebear Conundrum
So really it just comes down to name calling huh? That is what people do when they don't have an argument. I could do it too, but I won't, because I have an argument.Octavious wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:38 amIf you are not trying to win whilst playing on a team of others who are then you are a selfish tit who has no business being there and will get thrown off the team. If you are thinking of someone on a basketball court who is just shooting hoops because they like to shoot hoops, that's absolutely fine. But what they are doing is shooting hoops, not playing a game of basketball.Johnny Big Horse wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:11 pmNot everyone plays basketball to win. Some play to sharpen their skills, or to impress other people. Should they not be allowed to play?
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