MAFIA XXXVIII: INFINITY WAR

[Squigs44]

I'm confused, how is any of what I said a townslip?

If you were mafia, you would definitely know that mafia knows their teammates. So unless you are faking, you wouldn't have made that post unless you aren't mafia.

[ChippeRock]

I'm going to read DoubtingThomas as a moderate scum. He seems overly suspicious trying to plant the scum seed in people's minds.

[ChippeRock]

I'm confused, how is any of what I said a townslip?

If you were mafia, you would definitely know that mafia knows their teammates. So unless you are faking, you wouldn't have made that post unless you aren't mafia.

Where does it say Mafia know the other Mafia members on D1? ##CALL GM, please confirm this.

[Squigs44]

I'm going to read DoubtingThomas as a moderate scum. He seems overly suspicious trying to plant the scum seed in people's minds.

Wait, you are scumreading him because he is trying to convince others someone is scum? That's literally the whole point of this game.

[ChippeRock]

[quote=Squigs44 post_id=28125 time=<a href="tel:1533696027">1533696027</a> user_id=3497]
[quote=ChippeRock post_id=28124 time=<a href="tel:1533695858">1533695858</a> user_id=108]
I'm confused, how is any of what I said a townslip?

If you were mafia, you would definitely know that mafia knows their teammates. So unless you are faking, you wouldn't have made that post unless you aren't mafia.
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If that's true my Mafia snowy conspiracy theory has some merit...

Where does it say Mafia know the other Mafia members on D1? ##CALL GM, please confirm this.
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[ChippeRock]

I'm confused, how is any of what I said a townslip?

If you were mafia, you would definitely know that mafia knows their teammates. So unless you are faking, you wouldn't have made that post unless you aren't mafia.

If that's true my Mafia snowy conspiracy theory has some merit...

[Squigs44]

I'm confused, how is any of what I said a townslip?

If you were mafia, you would definitely know that mafia knows their teammates. So unless you are faking, you wouldn't have made that post unless you aren't mafia.

Where does it say Mafia know the other Mafia members on D1? ##CALL GM, please confirm this.

That's how it's been done in previous games on this site.

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE Ezio

[Squigs44]

If that's true my Mafia snowy conspiracy theory has some merit...

What's your conspiracy theory? I always love a good conspiracy theory.

[RagingIke297]

I'm confused, how is any of what I said a townslip?

If you were mafia, you would definitely know that mafia knows their teammates. So unless you are faking, you wouldn't have made that post unless you aren't mafia.

Where does it say Mafia know the other Mafia members on D1? ##CALL GM, please confirm this.

Mafia members received a link to the Mafia QT, the QT contains the names of the other mafia members and their roles

[DoubtingThomas]

##VOTE Ezio

Yo you wanna participate of sumthin before u vote

[ChippeRock]

[quote=ChippeRock post_id=28131 time=<a href="tel:1533696388">1533696388</a> user_id=108]
If that's true my Mafia snowy conspiracy theory has some merit...

What's your conspiracy theory? I always love a good conspiracy theory.
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Here it is:

I betcha several of the people on the snowy wagon are scum and will switch from snowy to someone else last minute... Snowy would be scum in that scenario as well.

[ChippeRock]

##CALL GM

Could you give us an update on the status of Hellenic Riot?

[WarLegend]

GM note: mafia know each other but can’t talk before N1. (Also hi I’m the co mod feel free to PM me with questions )

[DoubtingThomas]

ChippeRock you are so cute

Btw u r town now for me

[ND]

I find it hard to believe we are nearly on page 40 and it’s been just a little over 24 hours. But, whatever let’s dive in. I mean a lot of this runs together after 40 pages. These are my thoughts (as clearly as I can distill them):

Ezio’s post on page 21 is very antagonistic. He buddys up to Ghug and Xorxes. And then just pokes my eye to be a dick. At least Vecna called him out on this. Then he votes Chippie on Page 22 and lol no reason. Ofc no one gives a fuck except the guy getting voted on by him. I can see a scenario in which Ezio is scum. His posts eerily echo Jamie’s posts on Page 23. Jamie comes in and just goes on a rant about me and pokes me in the eye? So, I can never be suspicious of Jamie because I am scum if I am suspicious of him. Do you all see how he slyly pulled that? It’s confirmation bias and now Jamie is setting up a situation where if I ever question him then I must be scum? That is not scum hunting that is making yourself a victim and trying to make yourself immune from a range of questions. It serves no purpose other than to set up a situation to vinciate yourself. It’s only purpose is self-serving and for that reason it is scum-indicative in a big way. Both of these cases are examples of when we have to question player motivations. Why do this? How does it serve the town? How does it help anything?

I’m not going to get back into the whole Ghug/Brainbomb thing from last night other than to make this remark about it. Notice how Brainbomb actually defended Ghug from my posts. Ghug actually references this which is surprising to me. Contrast how Brainbomb went after me for saying I disliked joke posting to how he pretty much ignored Yav for saying something similar. Contrast that with how he has had tunnel vision against anything I say but ignores others who say similar things? Why is this important? Again, it comes to player motivation. What is Brainbomb’s motivations in these instances. How do they further town discourse? Does Brainbomb even care about town discourse? He after all voted to end the phase so the question must be raised why? Same goes for Chippie. On Page 22 he voted to end discussion. Why? What is the motivation to end a vibrant discussion?

A lot of the day discussion so far since I last posted has been about meta reads and cases. I’ll be the first to admit there are some remarks that I like. Some meta reads that players made that I agree with. I share them because I have played games with those people before and patterns are emerging which make me question their motivations and compare it to past games. This can be useful as a tool, but it runs the risk of placing things in a box because it has to fit, right? If we continue to play yesterday’s game then we ignore today’s game. Do these meta reads and cases actually outweigh things with physical evidence from this game. Do they outweigh what we have gained already? I don’t think so that is why I am wary. Look at Vecna’s push and case on Snowy. Maybe it’s a valid case and meta read on him, but does it outweigh the example and case we have on Fox? I don’t think so. I’m a bit confused why Vecna would even want a unanimous wagon. That in itself limits discussion and makes it so difficult to analyze the thread. If everyone group thinks it allows the mafia to blend in and makes later analysis of the game in the late stages impossible.


Fox’s post on 25 is just a justification for his specific actions. I still find his motivations to be suspect and it’s probably the best set of evidence for D1 so far in my opinion. It’s an actual tangible thread that can be followed unlike these other cases most of which are meta and not based on factual thread evidence. Honestly, my vote on you is because it’s the best set of evidence in the game for scum-indicative play. What you said sounds like an afterthought justification for your actions and I don’t think it is explanatory. I don’t agree with it. I disagree with Ghug’s post on Page 30. His Page 30 post is just so bad. He wants to just wave away the whole Fox argument although that is the strongest piece of tangible evidence in the game and blame the guy who was called out by Fox’s scum-indicative play. This is arguably interference. It’s subtle but it is there.

[RagingIke297]

##CALL GM

Could you give us an update on the status of Hellenic Riot?

He has read his role PM

[ChippeRock]

##CALL GM

Could you give us an update on the status of Hellenic Riot?

He has read his role PM

So he's a lurker... Interesting...

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE Ezio

Yo you wanna participate of sumthin before u vote

I think ghug and xorxes are probably town that believe Ezio is scum, or if I am wrong about either ghug and xorxes, they are probably bussing Ezio, so either way there is a good chance Ezio is scum.

[ChippeRock]

I find it hard to believe we are nearly on page 40 and it’s been just a little over 24 hours. But, whatever let’s dive in. I mean a lot of this runs together after 40 pages. These are my thoughts (as clearly as I can distill them):

Ezio’s post on page 21 is very antagonistic. He buddys up to Ghug and Xorxes. And then just pokes my eye to be a dick. At least Vecna called him out on this. Then he votes Chippie on Page 22 and lol no reason. Ofc no one gives a fuck except the guy getting voted on by him. I can see a scenario in which Ezio is scum. His posts eerily echo Jamie’s posts on Page 23. Jamie comes in and just goes on a rant about me and pokes me in the eye? So, I can never be suspicious of Jamie because I am scum if I am suspicious of him. Do you all see how he slyly pulled that? It’s confirmation bias and now Jamie is setting up a situation where if I ever question him then I must be scum? That is not scum hunting that is making yourself a victim and trying to make yourself immune from a range of questions. It serves no purpose other than to set up a situation to vinciate yourself. It’s only purpose is self-serving and for that reason it is scum-indicative in a big way. Both of these cases are examples of when we have to question player motivations. Why do this? How does it serve the town? How does it help anything?

I’m not going to get back into the whole Ghug/Brainbomb thing from last night other than to make this remark about it. Notice how Brainbomb actually defended Ghug from my posts. Ghug actually references this which is surprising to me. Contrast how Brainbomb went after me for saying I disliked joke posting to how he pretty much ignored Yav for saying something similar. Contrast that with how he has had tunnel vision against anything I say but ignores others who say similar things? Why is this important? Again, it comes to player motivation. What is Brainbomb’s motivations in these instances. How do they further town discourse? Does Brainbomb even care about town discourse? He after all voted to end the phase so the question must be raised why? Same goes for Chippie. On Page 22 he voted to end discussion. Why? What is the motivation to end a vibrant discussion?

A lot of the day discussion so far since I last posted has been about meta reads and cases. I’ll be the first to admit there are some remarks that I like. Some meta reads that players made that I agree with. I share them because I have played games with those people before and patterns are emerging which make me question their motivations and compare it to past games. This can be useful as a tool, but it runs the risk of placing things in a box because it has to fit, right? If we continue to play yesterday’s game then we ignore today’s game. Do these meta reads and cases actually outweigh things with physical evidence from this game. Do they outweigh what we have gained already? I don’t think so that is why I am wary. Look at Vecna’s push and case on Snowy. Maybe it’s a valid case and meta read on him, but does it outweigh the example and case we have on Fox? I don’t think so. I’m a bit confused why Vecna would even want a unanimous wagon. That in itself limits discussion and makes it so difficult to analyze the thread. If everyone group thinks it allows the mafia to blend in and makes later analysis of the game in the late stages impossible.


Fox’s post on 25 is just a justification for his specific actions. I still find his motivations to be suspect and it’s probably the best set of evidence for D1 so far in my opinion. It’s an actual tangible thread that can be followed unlike these other cases most of which are meta and not based on factual thread evidence. Honestly, my vote on you is because it’s the best set of evidence in the game for scum-indicative play. What you said sounds like an afterthought justification for your actions and I don’t think it is explanatory. I don’t agree with it. I disagree with Ghug’s post on Page 30. His Page 30 post is just so bad. He wants to just wave away the whole Fox argument although that is the strongest piece of tangible evidence in the game and blame the guy who was called out by Fox’s scum-indicative play. This is arguably interference. It’s subtle but it is there.

I felt very strongly Vecna was scum but now I'm not as sure... This "vibrant" discussion has resulted in everyone being unable to decide who's scum based on how the vote has turned out thus far.