MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[damo666]

Are you even reading this game? Bona is the most obv-town person here.

OK

How about

##vote brain

the only maf goon discard claimant who was not on top 2 wagons D1

fair point
bunny was a 6 wagon and in the lead when I got in my car. not much I can do about that

[damo666]

@damo, who do you actually scumread?

No one yet unfortunately.

Bunny and emc maybe.

[kgray]

@Bob I'd like your current top 3 scumreads, please.

Without any rereading, off the top of my head:
1. Ghug - My criticisms of him from N1 still stand, at least as much if not more. Very little townie behaviours and stuff, lots of useless posts that kind of tried to look helpful.
2. Damo - Uh, this one ain't even strong. I didn't like his D1, as I made clear yesterday I think and he hasn't done anything to make himself seem better. Plus his recent votes are bad, bona and bb.
3. Maniac - Maybe? We're getting way into scumlean territory, he ain't been active and I feel like not productive either. Possibly could be subbed out for emc, similar reasons but also deviating a bit from the meta I know him for, or bunny for similar reasons to ghug except watered way the heck down and with more town stuff.

1. Agreed, ghug's my #1 scumread.

2. Agreed somewhat, I don't think he's jumping around in his reads as much as town!damo usually does. His recent votes are random (and bad) but they're not based on anything except discard claims. I can see town!damo wanting to kill someone who claimed to discard a goon, but I think he'd have better reasons to pick among those options. And he voted for me today too, let's kill him.

3. I think I lean town on Maniac and maybe scum on emc? His absence is weird. But I also think he'd have more fun if he were an alien, and he doesn't really fit into my current idea of the mafia team, so maybe he's just busy IRL. Bunny I think is town.

[kgray]

That vote being what it is, I could also get behind a vote on Vecna, EMC, or Ezio.

Why Ezio?

[damo666]

Orange is the worst color, I could get behind a celaph wagon again.

No. Not celaph today.

Why? Do you townread him? You don't even seem to have strong scumreads that could be other candidates, so what's wrong with celaph?

celaph is prob town, very probably not alien and only 1 possible Maf role

[Bonatogether]

No. Not celaph today.

Why? Do you townread him? You don't even seem to have strong scumreads that could be other candidates, so what's wrong with celaph?

celaph is prob town, very probably not alien and only 1 possible Maf role

I disagree

[BunnyGo]

Okay now I searched the bot and I'm confused. I'm just gonna let this issue rot on the sidelines. Don't like emc vote very much, ghug might be good though.

What are you referencing?

[kgray]

and louds are clears yes?

Assuming discard claims are true

There's no reasonable scenario where the loud mafia is in the game based on HR claiming to discard it. Louds are clear.

[Hamilton Brian]

Slow uptake but there's no sense deliberating who killed Bozo, right? We don't have enough information.

[damo666]

Why? Do you townread him? You don't even seem to have strong scumreads that could be other candidates, so what's wrong with celaph?

celaph is prob town, very probably not alien and only 1 possible Maf role

I disagree

What info do you have?

[kgray]

@damo, who do you actually scumread?

No one yet unfortunately.

Bunny and emc maybe.

Reasons?

[Bonatogether]

celaph is prob town, very probably not alien and only 1 possible Maf role

I disagree

What info do you have?

I don't have any info you don't, but the tone shift felt awful to me. Now he's toned it back, but I still think he's scum.

[BunnyGo]

Calling on citizens who want answers to join me at this point

##vote rdriv

I’m having a surprisingly hard time understanding your points. This is surprising me because I know you are very capable of being clear. Can you say more?

[BunnyGo]

@Ghug
@kgray

Since you're both around I have some fun information for y'all to play with.

I discarded the town's doctor.

Love it.

Here's a question for anyone around: Should the paranoid gun owner claim?

Pro: Saves town investigatives and doctors from accidntally getting shot
Pro: I don't think they can be killed without taking enemies out first (someone check me on this)
Con: They don't use their power offensively

But...could be nice?

The only use for Paranoid Gun Owner is baiting a NK, so how claiming it makes sense?

They can’t die. We get a townclear who CANT DIE!

[BunnyGo]

ask me a question

What do you think about what happened n1 knowing there's no town doctor?

Okay this makes sense now about what he wanted to achieve with his claim earlier. Personally I'm about 50/50 on no SK vs SK withdrew kill. If SK withdrew kill then I assume they're not a noob because noobs wouldn't naturally think of this course of action.

Who here wouldn’t think of this?

I can’t name a single player who wouldn’t have the thought at least.

[BunnyGo]

Discard claims:

Options are stating a specific role, town/not town, town/mafia/alien, or choosing not to answer.

Bob: Mafia compulsive hider
Bonatogether: Mafia Goon
bozo: Mafia GF
brainbomb: Mafia Goon
BunnyGo: Mafia RB
​celaph: Mafia Goon
damo: VT
DemonRHK: town
Donny: Enabler
emc: town
Ezio: Town Doctor
ghug: Mafia Goon
Hamilton: chooses not to answer
HR: Mafia Loud Role Cop
jasnah: Mafia Lover
kgray: chooses not to answer
lfischl: Alien Bulletproof Lover
Macca:
Mania​c: Commuter
rdrivera: town
Vecna: VT

I think we should vote from the Mafia goon claimants as being the most likely to hold interesting scum roles.

Let's start with ##vote Bona

Do you think bona is scummy? Not from mechanics, but the game.

[damo666]

I disagree

What info do you have?

I don't have any info you don't, but the tone shift felt awful to me. Now he's toned it back, but I still think he's scum.

How do you know I'm not on same scumteam as him?

Or I could have used a townpower on him.

Your statement is either a scumslip or very silly.

[BunnyGo]

ask me a question

What is your perspective about pineapple on pizza?

The people who hate it are strange because they never say the reason why pineapple pizza isnt good. Pineapple is very watery and makes pizza soggy, it does taste okay but its not really in very many toppin combos because its mostly just a gimmick with ham. that being said I love pineaple and a way to make it better would be to use a spicy pineapple chutney as the base instead of marinara sauce

...

You can be very insightful and clear when you want to be.

Oh and congratulations on the show/teaching gig.

Can you say as clearly as above your reasoning for voting bona now?

[Bonatogether]

What info do you have?

I don't have any info you don't, but the tone shift felt awful to me. Now he's toned it back, but I still think he's scum.

How do you know I'm not on same scumteam as him?

Or I could have used a townpower on him.

Your statement is either a scumslip or very silly.

Usually I find it easiest to convince people by not accusing them as well

[damo666]

@damo, who do you actually scumread?

No one yet unfortunately.

Bunny and emc maybe.

Reasons?

Flimsy.

Just gut.