MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[kgray]

I have a physio appt at 4:45EST this afternoon so I need to make sure my vote is in.

##VOTE lfischl seems like a reasonable spot to post. That's some glaring stuff in those posts.

What glaring stuff do you find scum-indicative?

[damo666]

Town damo: Oh, I had two PR options in my role. I BET THAT MEANS THE ENTIRE GAME THAT HAS 1 PR OPTION MUST HAVE 2 OPTIONS

^ unlikely scenario

Scum Damo: Oh, ive been debating in scumchat with my hoodlums. We all had multiple strong options to choose, but we wanted scum obviously.

^ would result in him knowing that scum all had interesting choices, and making that post.

##vote Damo

nice scum-logic-slip bro

Anybody who had a PR option (or not) had 2 cards. You are not very clever are you Vecna?

[Bonatogether]

1) Yes.

2) Voting ezio doesn't give us as much info, but I wouldn't vote brain over everyone else, like I've said before.

Thanks for clarifying; I am intrigued how the other players on your list would give us a lot of info if flipped. Are you suggesting that from the VCA standpoint?

What list are you referring to? The only thing that I see that could be construed as a list is bunny and celaph here

[damo666]

Thank you for letting me know that bozo's answer was inaccurate by .034(ish) of a percent, I am sure this information will come in handy.

I think damo was pointing out I made a mistake in what I wrote, it should be (26/68)*(25/67) , which is what I calculated to get 14.3%.

Based on this, the most likely number of players who did not have a town choice is 3.

It’s not an independent calculation. The number of players with no choice is dependent on the other players with no choice. I have no coffee in me and little sleep. But I believe this may actually matter.

Don't be fucking stupid

[BunnyGo]

I think damo was pointing out I made a mistake in what I wrote, it should be (26/68)*(25/67) , which is what I calculated to get 14.3%.

Based on this, the most likely number of players who did not have a town choice is 3.

It’s not an independent calculation. The number of players with no choice is dependent on the other players with no choice. I have no coffee in me and little sleep. But I believe this may actually matter.

Don't be fucking stupid

I was soooo tired. Expected if sum is sum of expected. Yes. Yes.

[kgray]

If the point is you are good at mafia then I think you have made it.

not the point. point is not to belittle and slander me

OK, but Ezio is now just lurking here. You've done well.

I have maintained that I am an anti-town player...but I'm working on it.

What do you think of celaph?

Every time Bunny is nice to someone it makes me more suspicious.

[damo666]

Quickly reread damo, the dude has nothing going for him right now. Like he has a vote, the rest was weird kinda vague specifics (I am aware that sounds stupid) about irrelevant information. He has a vote. That's it. Scumlean again.

I'm gonna ##VOTE demon because he's on my scumlean list and I don't have a noticeably better vote to cast. That's all from me for now, I may be on for a bit at roughly an hour before EoD.

##Bob

check

[BunnyGo]

not the point. point is not to belittle and slander me

OK, but Ezio is now just lurking here. You've done well.

I have maintained that I am an anti-town player...but I'm working on it.

What do you think of celaph?

Every time Bunny is nice to someone it makes me more suspicious.

Sigh. He was being annoying and o figured it would change the topic. Now he’s being annoying but at least there’s something there to read.

[damo666]

I really dont feel like tryharding yet. Oh the dilemma

Don't bother.

[BunnyGo]

Drunk Damo is sharper than I ever recall him being as town or scum.

[damo666]

The most significant thing to have happened so far (and by a wide marģin) is Bozo claiming to have discarded Mafia GF.

If he is telling the truth he probably either has a valuable town role, a super valuable alien role or he fancied SK. Almost certainly not a weaker Mafia role.

He could be lying and gambling that GF wasn't dealt but with a probability of only 26/68 this is an unlikely Bozo type gambit.

I think the most likely reason for Bozo to claim to have discarded Mafia GF is that he actually RETAINED Mafia GF.

##vote Bozo

Why do you think bozo wouldn't pick a VT or not-so-valuable town PR role over GF?

would you?

[ghug]

My overall town winrate is higher than rdrivera, maniac, ghug, vash, xorxes, worcej, bozo and balki

Brain, Can I ask why you jumped topics to winrate?

ezio attacked my character and said I was the most anti town player on here. Which is a bogus claim that is not backed up by any statistical category we have anywhere. In every category I outrank him in skills, ive been to champs three times

I'm the best at mafia. Everyone says so. I won Pennsylvania!

[damo666]

The most significant thing to have happened so far (and by a wide marģin) is Bozo claiming to have discarded Mafia GF.

If he is telling the truth he probably either has a valuable town role, a super valuable alien role or he fancied SK. Almost certainly not a weaker Mafia role.

He could be lying and gambling that GF wasn't dealt but with a probability of only 26/68 this is an unlikely Bozo type gambit.

I think the most likely reason for Bozo to claim to have discarded Mafia GF is that he actually RETAINED Mafia GF.

##vote Bozo

Just placeholding this reply until I see if Bozo replied to this or not. It's a hell of a hypothesis.

Seeing Macca's follow up to this...the question I was wondering is if this puts Damo and Macca as scum teammates? Probably not; scum wouldn't be that bold to piggyback on one wagon when there's other possibilities. Should it carry through then they'd be suspect together.

I suspect they are my teammate

[bozotheclown]

It’s worth asking the question.

##callGM - when scum are sent their final role PM, are they given a link to the mafia QT and does that QT included a list of all mafia and their roles?

GM NOTE

Prior to the game starting, after the end of the Role Allocation phase, any Mafia in the game would be sent a link to the Mafia QT, yes, and yes that information would be listed in the QT.

Oh shit! Am I townclear now?

In M1011 you had day chat, and when you were scum in M1015, there were no mafia PRs, so even though I do not believe you ever had to play D1 as mafia not knowing the roles of your teammates, it seems reasonable for you to think the mafia would not know their teammates roles. However, even if we assume this is not a fake townslip, you could still be mafia because there could be only one mafia, or you could be alien or SK.

[Maniac]

Why are so few people claiming alien discards

That's a great question and shows one good use of mass anti-claiming. It gives us an idea of likely size of the scum teams.

[kgray]

The most significant thing to have happened so far (and by a wide marģin) is Bozo claiming to have discarded Mafia GF.

If he is telling the truth he probably either has a valuable town role, a super valuable alien role or he fancied SK. Almost certainly not a weaker Mafia role.

He could be lying and gambling that GF wasn't dealt but with a probability of only 26/68 this is an unlikely Bozo type gambit.

I think the most likely reason for Bozo to claim to have discarded Mafia GF is that he actually RETAINED Mafia GF.

##vote Bozo

Why do you think bozo wouldn't pick a VT or not-so-valuable town PR role over GF?

would you?

No, but I wasn't under the impression bozo liked being scum.

[Hamilton Brian]

1) Yes.

2) Voting ezio doesn't give us as much info, but I wouldn't vote brain over everyone else, like I've said before.

Thanks for clarifying; I am intrigued how the other players on your list would give us a lot of info if flipped. Are you suggesting that from the VCA standpoint?

What list are you referring to? The only thing that I see that could be construed as a list is bunny and celaph here

Referring to here. Perhaps I misread what you were saying?

[damo666]

I should say though that voting bozo of the back of him discarding mafia GF is poor town play. If he has drawn a super value non-mafia card he will be NK soon enough. If he is still alive D3/D4 then he might make a good DK but not now.

I don't understand this. How would scum know if he drew a super value non-mafia card regardless of whether he's being honest about discarding GF?

But yes, killing him because he claims to have discarded GF is dumb.

there's a difference between voting and killing

[bozotheclown]

The most significant thing to have happened so far (and by a wide marģin) is Bozo claiming to have discarded Mafia GF.

If he is telling the truth he probably either has a valuable town role, a super valuable alien role or he fancied SK. Almost certainly not a weaker Mafia role.

He could be lying and gambling that GF wasn't dealt but with a probability of only 26/68 this is an unlikely Bozo type gambit.

I think the most likely reason for Bozo to claim to have discarded Mafia GF is that he actually RETAINED Mafia GF.

##vote Bozo

Why do you think bozo wouldn't pick a VT or not-so-valuable town PR role over GF?

would you?

Would you?

[ghug]

Why do you think bozo wouldn't pick a VT or not-so-valuable town PR role over GF?

would you?

Would you?

I would