M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[bozotheclown]

Show me the post where I denied knowledge of the bussing as you claim I did.

This is in response to me saying I would expect you to consider D1 bussing based on M60:

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On being in M60 - i was, but I died very early and didn't follow the game after i died.

Yes, and this doesn’t conflict at all with the knowledge of bussing. I didn’t mention it at all.

The point I made about M60 was that I would expect you not to think that teacon bussers were unlikely, so I believe you saying you did not follow M60 after you were eliminated implies you were not aware of the bussing that went on D1.

[bozotheclown]

I'm not sure I buy this. There were tons of townclears and then priest claimants to NK before scum would consider NKing me (and ghug, until the celaph kill), not to mention I've pretty much spent most of the game defending you. Why would you get rid of me when I'm not a clear and I fought against your wagon several times this game?

Also, I don't know if ghug was trying to crumb that way, but it doesn't make sense. If anything, priests eat more fish because of Lent.

I always thought ghug was more likely the priest than HR or Balki. His crumb made sense because of the association of priests eating fish, even if he said he did not eat fish.

That is a good point about you, I might have risked keeping you around.

What's the risk in you keeping me around though??

In this hypothetical scenario, the risk would be of you figuring out I am scum.

[bozotheclown]

Well, yes.

Let's say I start a wagon on a scum teammate, and it gains a lot of traction and is about to become a lead wagon. If I leave it, and he gets caught, I'm going to look really suspicious.

This is the reason I was having some doubts on ghug for leaving and re-joining the damo wagon, and why I suspect kgray for the teacon wagon on Day 1. We have many examples this very game of scum voting for their teammates when they aren't under threat.

I think whichever one of you is scum got caught in the wagon and couldn't get off of it without making the connection clear.

You are saying that (1) scum would have to carry through with their bus because it doesn't make sense for scum to start a wagon on a teammate and then leave it when it gets traction, because that looks too suspicious and (2) that that's exactly what I did D1 with teacon. So which is it?

I was saying that the final scum could not leave the Damo wagon because if/when Damo was caught, it would implicate them. This is what I had some lingering suspicions of ghug for, and it’s similar to what you did with teacon on Day 1. On the Damo wagon, whichever of you is the last scum had to stay on it or else get implicated once he flipped later

This is still contradictory, since you are saying the scum could leave damo's wagon because it would implicate them, yet you are also saying you suspected ghug for leaving damo's wagon.

[kgray]

I always thought ghug was more likely the priest than HR or Balki. His crumb made sense because of the association of priests eating fish, even if he said he did not eat fish.

That is a good point about you, I might have risked keeping you around.

What's the risk in you keeping me around though??

In this hypothetical scenario, the risk would be of you figuring out I am scum.

That doesn't seem to be more of a risk than keeping celaph around, who was already scumreading you, when I was actively defending you for most of the game. Especially when I've made my high opinion of your late-game solving skills pretty well known. If I townread you and you're scumreading whoever else is in the final 3, seems pretty likely that I don't vote for you...

[bozotheclown]

If you think this, why not bring up that Chaqa's D1 is scum indicative once we saw the teacon flip?

It is a lot harder to see it in the noise of 20+ players.

Yeah I don't know, it kind of seems like you're just taking his vote and forcing a scum narrative on it. I'm not sure how it's scummy on its own.

By itself it is well hidden and maybe NAI, but I am comparing Chaqa's D1 vote for teacon to your D1 vote moves at EOD, and Chaqa's D1 would have been the better choice for scum, as demonstrated by the number of players who have questioned your D1 and the lack of players who have questioned Chaqa's D1.

[bozotheclown]

K but if I were scum there's no way I could have voted celaph and not damo. Damo had consistently been one of my top scumreads and I'd been townreading celaph. So yeah, it would make sense for me to be busing damo there. How come you're not considering that?

I didn't say you couldn't have been bussing damo, it has been know for a while that the last scum bussed damo. I think Chaqa's D5 looks more suspicious because of the way he waited to vote for damo, then voted for him at the best time to sell the bus.

I think voting for damo early would be a better time to sell the bus. You don't?

Early would be OK, but early D5 there was reason to believe damo would not be up for the DK. I thought it was possible ghug bussed damo early because I thought my theory about damo/ghug was a possibility (this is also why at the time I thought ghug may not be the priest after all).

[Chaqa]

You are saying that (1) scum would have to carry through with their bus because it doesn't make sense for scum to start a wagon on a teammate and then leave it when it gets traction, because that looks too suspicious and (2) that that's exactly what I did D1 with teacon. So which is it?

I was saying that the final scum could not leave the Damo wagon because if/when Damo was caught, it would implicate them. This is what I had some lingering suspicions of ghug for, and it’s similar to what you did with teacon on Day 1. On the Damo wagon, whichever of you is the last scum had to stay on it or else get implicated once he flipped later

I still don't know why you think that scum couldn't do that, and yet you're suspicious of me for doing exactly that on D1, but okay.

If you're town, then from your POV the last scum was actively pushing for damo's flip. bozo and I were both driving that wagon pretty consistently D5, and were encouraging others to get on it. Which of us do you think looks more like we were busing?

I mean, my point is more that I find it suspicious that Bozo is discounting that possibility. I think he's scum more so than you right now, but it's mostly because I have a meta read that you're town. Plus, ghug thought you were town and Flum thought Bozo was scum, and they're probably better players than me lol

[bozotheclown]

What's the risk in you keeping me around though??

In this hypothetical scenario, the risk would be of you figuring out I am scum.

That doesn't seem to be more of a risk than keeping celaph around, who was already scumreading you, when I was actively defending you for most of the game. Especially when I've made my high opinion of your late-game solving skills pretty well known. If I townread you and you're scumreading whoever else is in the final 3, seems pretty likely that I don't vote for you...

So are you going to vote for Chaqa then?

[Chaqa]

This is in response to me saying I would expect you to consider D1 bussing based on M60:

Yes, and this doesn’t conflict at all with the knowledge of bussing. I didn’t mention it at all.

The point I made about M60 was that I would expect you not to think that teacon bussers were unlikely, so I believe you saying you did not follow M60 after you were eliminated implies you were not aware of the bussing that went on D1.

This doesn't make sense since I demonstrably did know about it. I think I even talked about it earlier this game.

[Chaqa]

You are saying that (1) scum would have to carry through with their bus because it doesn't make sense for scum to start a wagon on a teammate and then leave it when it gets traction, because that looks too suspicious and (2) that that's exactly what I did D1 with teacon. So which is it?

I was saying that the final scum could not leave the Damo wagon because if/when Damo was caught, it would implicate them. This is what I had some lingering suspicions of ghug for, and it’s similar to what you did with teacon on Day 1. On the Damo wagon, whichever of you is the last scum had to stay on it or else get implicated once he flipped later

This is still contradictory, since you are saying the scum could leave damo's wagon because it would implicate them, yet you are also saying you suspected ghug for leaving damo's wagon.

I'm saying I wouldn't imagine scum would leave the wagon, but until I knew for sure ghug was innocent, it was a suspicion I had.

Now I know the last scum couldnt

[bozotheclown]

I was saying that the final scum could not leave the Damo wagon because if/when Damo was caught, it would implicate them. This is what I had some lingering suspicions of ghug for, and it’s similar to what you did with teacon on Day 1. On the Damo wagon, whichever of you is the last scum had to stay on it or else get implicated once he flipped later

I still don't know why you think that scum couldn't do that, and yet you're suspicious of me for doing exactly that on D1, but okay.

If you're town, then from your POV the last scum was actively pushing for damo's flip. bozo and I were both driving that wagon pretty consistently D5, and were encouraging others to get on it. Which of us do you think looks more like we were busing?

I mean, my point is more that I find it suspicious that Bozo is discounting that possibility. I think he's scum more so than you right now, but it's mostly because I have a meta read that you're town. Plus, ghug thought you were town and Flum thought Bozo was scum, and they're probably better players than me lol

I am not discounting the possibility, but it seems she would avoid doing that D1 for exactly what you said about damo D5, it would implicate her to leave teacon's wagon.

[dargorygel]

##GM NON VOTE COUNT VOTE COUNT DISPLAY

Nothing has changed. Go back and look at the last vote count. (You know... the one with hardly any +1's)

[bozotheclown]

Yes, and this doesn’t conflict at all with the knowledge of bussing. I didn’t mention it at all.

The point I made about M60 was that I would expect you not to think that teacon bussers were unlikely, so I believe you saying you did not follow M60 after you were eliminated implies you were not aware of the bussing that went on D1.

This doesn't make sense since I demonstrably did know about it. I think I even talked about it earlier this game.

Then what point were you making by saying you did not follow M60 after you were eliminated?

[Chaqa]

The point I made about M60 was that I would expect you not to think that teacon bussers were unlikely, so I believe you saying you did not follow M60 after you were eliminated implies you were not aware of the bussing that went on D1.

This doesn't make sense since I demonstrably did know about it. I think I even talked about it earlier this game.

Then what point were you making by saying you did not follow M60 after you were eliminated?

... that I didn't follow how the game turned out?

LIke, I don't know wha circumstances that let scum get away with it

[bozotheclown]

Jailing update:

HR: Kgray Damo
Flum: HR Kgray
kgray: HR Vecna
aaro: Flum Worcej
Balki: Flum Vecna
Worcej: Balki Damo
EMC: damo maniac
ghug: kgray flum
bozo: HR Vecna
bona: brain celaph
bunny: ghug Kgray
maniac: vashta ghug

Confirmed Town so why bother?:

Durga (tracker)
Tom (vig)

People remaining:

Jamie
Celaph
Chaqa
Damo
Vecna
Yoyo

What is this?

If you were the jailer, who would you have jailed each night?

Answering is not optional

ghug answered your question one minute later, why didn't you respond to him at the time?

[Chaqa]

What is this?

If you were the jailer, who would you have jailed each night?

Answering is not optional

ghug answered your question one minute later, why didn't you respond to him at the time?

TImestamp is 2:38 AM.

I went to bed.

[Chaqa]

If you were the jailer, who would you have jailed each night?

Answering is not optional

ghug answered your question one minute later, why didn't you respond to him at the time?

TImestamp is 2:38 AM.

I went to bed.

You've been asking me this same question the entire game.

The answer isn't going to change.

It's gotten old.

[bozotheclown]

If you were the jailer, who would you have jailed each night?

Answering is not optional

ghug answered your question one minute later, why didn't you respond to him at the time?

TImestamp is 2:38 AM.

I went to bed.

Why ask the question if you are not going to wait for the answer?

[Chaqa]

ghug answered your question one minute later, why didn't you respond to him at the time?

TImestamp is 2:38 AM.

I went to bed.

Why ask the question if you are not going to wait for the answer?

You can keep waiting for an answer to this.

[bozotheclown]

Ok fuck Chaqa, he's scum for seeing what was going on and not posting his two picks. But y'all deal with him later.

I'm anxious to keep this game going. So, player X lied about their visits, so we have 2 or 3 scum. We'll know when we flip player X today if they're smuggler or informer or whatever. Jailer does not need to claim, congrats jailer!

If I actually caught 3 scum in 2 days I'm soooo sorry loooool

I saw a big post with names, wasn't quite sure what the idea was. I was playing Among Us and Jackbox last night and then working on the D&D campaign I'm starting tonight so I'm a little behind.

Why is there a near-unanimous Yoyo wagon? What did I miss?

Durga pointed this out D3, when you claimed you picked that one post to comment on from a part of the game you claimed you had not read because it was a "big post with names".