M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[ghug]

If I had a hammer,
I'd hammer in the morning
I'd hammer in the evening,
All over this land

If I had a bell,
I'd ring it in the morning,
I'd ring it in the evening,
Silver bells hanging on a string
All over this land

My ding-a-ling, my ding-a-ling, I want you to play with my ding-a-ling!
My ding-a-ling, my ding-a-ling, I want you to play with my ding-a-ling!
Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful!

This little song, it ain't so sad
The cutest little song you ever had
Those of you who will not sing
You must be playin' with your own ding-a-ling

My ding-a-ling, my ding-a-ling
I want you to play with my ding-a-ling
My ding-a-ling, my ding-a-ling
I want you to play with my ding-a-ling

Franky Damo, I don't see how that is relevant.

Frankly Mr Shankly, I don't give a damn!

I want to hate on Morrissey but Eden says I can't.

[ghug]

Hi Veccy. Hope you've had some good news since the last time we talked.

[Jamiet99uk]

Since we have degenerated into song, and The Smiths have been mentioned:

I was happy in the haze of a drunken hour
But heaven knows I'm Mafia now

I was looking for PRs, and then I found PRs
And heaven knows I'm Mafia now

In this game
Why do I write valuable posts
To people who don't care if I live or die?

Two lovers entwined pass me by
And heaven knows I'm Mafia now
I was looking for PRs, and then I found PRs
And heaven knows I'm Mafia now

In this game
Why do I write valuable posts
To people who don't care if I live or die?

What she asked of me at the end of the day
Caligula would have blushed
"Oh, you've been stalking Neph too long" she said,
And I naturally fled

In my life
Why do I smile
At Ghug who I'd much rather, kick in the eye?

I was happy in the haze of a drunken hour
But heaven knows I'm Mafia now...

[BunnyGo]

What’s the logic again to kill me before Jimbo?

[Vecna]

Hi Veccy. Hope you've had some good news since the last time we talked.

eh, nope

[Vecna]

also, dont you dare leave Durga

[aarodactyl]

What’s the logic again to kill me before Jimbo?

If you're scum, you have a role while jamie is just a poor goon.

[Vecna]

the positive thing about no hammers is that today is another fresh chance for a modkill on yoyo

[BunnyGo]

What’s the logic again to kill me before Jimbo?

If you're scum, you have a role while jamie is just a poor goon.

And if I’m not scum we lose the intel of killing a scum and confirming their role, while ALSO killing the jailor.

[worcej]

I'll be incredibly civil with my responses here. I really just wanted to do what Eden asked of me, but I cannot sit back and not respond to all that has been said. Sorry Eden, but I will use my own voice this once since numerous others have already:

Worcej is only upset that I'm making jokes about him calling me a bitch because he knows he was wrong, it was inappropriate, and it makes him look bad.

I will be 100% honest - I am sorry for explicitly calling you a bitch. I get the vibe that this is a gendered pronoun that you find incredibly offensive, and intentionally being offensive was not my goal. That being said, my opinion of you is you're incredibly rude, pushy, snarky, overly-sarcastic, and treat certain people as if they are beneath you. These traits all fall under the shorthand, so I just used that. This is not an excuse, but an explanation. Do not interpret this as an excuse. If I have to face any further consequences based on this incident, I will face them without protest.

Back to your above statement - calling you a bitch was wrong, but why I spoke up was not. You were rude to someone for no reason and portrayed all the above traits to that person. I do not regret calling you out for that negative behavior, because I consistently witness you doing it when you play mafia and even outside of mafia on public forums/discords.

I also do not care what people think of me on webDiplomacy. This should be incredibly obvious based on my blunt/rude response back to people that I do like and people who I scum read. I am not here to comfort you, I am here to play a game. If you do not like playing with me, you do not have to - you have that choice.

You brought up GM'ing a game with you - it was actually an incredibly negative experience for me. You designed a game where you made it an 'invitational' so that it would be a good quality game and pick and chose those people by your opinion. You intentionally left people out that you said were bad and talked poorly of several people in this community to me privately. That whole experience is where my negative opinions of you came to fruition - you're just not a person I could see myself being friends with, but that doesn't mean I cannot play a game with you.

I'll ask PE to remove me so y'all don't have to play with a toxic, intellectually dishonest, lazy, low quality person, someone without a sliver of value, idiot, dick, freak, trash, bitch - just some of the things said about me **in this game** and not one apology (I will note that this is the game worcej has been nicest to me, ever, so that should really put this in context). Of course I'm going to retaliate when these are the things I'm being called.

Your colored words are not entirely my own, so the implied representation that they are is disingenuous, which is part of why I am short and not polite to you.

But hey, despite all those words being said about me, I'm the one at fault for **making a joke calling out worcej** - I didn't even insult worcej by making this joke.

If you cannot understand how your 'joke' is a violation of what was asked of us by Eden, then that's on you.

I'll at least explain that your joke, to me, was a provocation for no reason at all. You didn't need to say what you did, but you went out of your way to do it. You felt entitled to bring it up, and you acted on it. You felt like you had to call out the hypocrisy of what Chaqa was doing before I even really said anything of merit for what Chaqa said.

You deserve to be told you're out of line for this post to Chaqa because you were out of line. This doesn't excuse what I did, but just because I started it doesn't mean you get a free pass to behave how you did and keep bringing it up. You know my discord account (unless you forgot it) or could've sent me a PM here and we could've talked privately about how upset you were, but you didn't - you brought this all back up in the thread again.

Same thing I just said above applies to ghug, which I'll get to him shortly.

And I know the squad that is doing that is some sort of weird boys club.

Feel free to vote me if you actually think I'm being toxic for telling someone that they're wrong in game lmao. But you won't, because y'all don't actually think that you're just trying to get a rise out of me. I don't expect much from people who took ND's side to begin with but it's ridiculous who you choose and choose not to target.

##vote durga

FWIW ND is an ass. But as I just explained to my 6 year old, we don’t respond in kind.

As for in game, I just can’t read you. You are a lot like the game kgray pointed me to. The outrage feels fake. And for me, it’s no longer fun dealing with it. I’d prefer a Balki wagon, but if this takes off, it is better than the POS wagons in play.

This is all you really need to know. That I was being voted despite the fact that all of those comments against me were done so unprompted. I can't wait for when people call Bunny's daughter a bitch, he'll tell her that she's at fault for calling it out. I know he's partially doing this because he's scum, but I'm v glad that I'm the one to catch him.

I remember why I quit webdip before lmao.

I don't think Bunny did anything other than agree with me regarding you initiating this again unprovoked, the same thing I got flak for doing when I started it by calling you a negative-gender pronoun. His vote on you was for game reasons, as it is highlighted in what he actually said when he placed the vote. I think you're once again being disingenuous by interpreting his vote and opinion of today's actions as being a 'squad' against you.

If we're talking about squads, the 'Durga squad' called me a misogynist (implying I am prejudice against women, which is an incredibly bad accusation to make of someone) and even brought my relationship with my wife into this game. We're all biased here, but I am far more offended by what one of your defenders said to me than I would be if I was called the b-word.

Yeah, I said what I said and I am sorry for saying it how I did, but ghug is right that I don't regret speaking out against you for what you did, I only regret how I did it. As I said above, the reason I said it was you were being incredibly rude to a new player and it didn't sit right to me.

I'm in trouble for calling worcej a misogynist.

It seemed to me that you had been saying very rude things about Worcej's wife, no?

I happen to think saying that she doesn't love worcej is a great compliment.

I made a crude joke, which I regret, about worcej's obsession with insulting and belittling Durga while I was catching up, unaware that he was doing so in the thread at that very time. I was fairly included in the unfairly equivocal calling out of everyone in that argument.

More recently, I got upset with people (Bunny) for similar unfair equivocation.

How is that a compliment ghug? Seriously, please explain this.

And if you think you're being unfairly called out for including my wife in an incredibly rude implication and calling me a misogynist, then you need to self-reflect on how you behave just as much as I do.

You demand an apology for Durga, yet offer none to me for your even worse statements that you doubled down on multiple times.

I'm waiting for my apology from you ghug, so don't start with your ludicrous position that I should apologize to Durga for what I said when you cannot even make the effort to do the same for your toxic behavior.

I have to do it. Sorry Eden. I hope my post will help resolve things instead of enflame things further.

@Worcej
Please don't just assume I'm whiteknighting Durga. People who know both of us will know we've had quite a few arguments in the past about progressive culture and racism/misogynism/libertarianism/a lot of things over the years.

From my viewpoint you called her toxic and a bitch basically out of nowhere from a really tame post Durga made. Like extremely tame compared to what a bunch of players have been posting. I don't actually see what Durga has done that's been so bad.

You essentially called her a bad person irl and it's clear you were targeting her personally because you don't like her out of game. You 100% started it from my viewpoint and it's weird that a bunch of people are pretending you're both equally at fault in this case when the worst Durga has done has got offended you called her a bitch?

Please reread how you've been acting towards her and it might look worse and harsher than you remember or intended, and perhaps you'd understand where she's coming from?

You make valid points in a lot of this Flum, but there have been several posts Durga and ghug have made since the initial spat that I did start that are provoking the situation to boil over again, like it did just now.

I wanted to do nothing but keep playing and handle this later, but here we are and here is my contribution to the derailment.

[Jamiet99uk]

Look, if you're going to force me to remain alive, so be it. I'll do my best to keep you entertained with my remarks, my jokes, even some poetry. But I'm not sure why you're convinced Bunny is my team-mate. If you have to kill one of my team-mates before me, why not Bozo, or Hellenic Riot, or Yoyoyozo?

[worcej]

FWIW, I am over this game.

Durga caught 3 scum, Bunny is full of shit.

I hard-claim Jailer - town only needs to find two more scum out of the ridiculous amount of players still alive.

[Fluminator]

What’s the logic again to kill me before Jimbo?

Jamiet is cuter, sorry :/

[ghug]

What’s the logic again to kill me before Jimbo?

If you're scum, you have a role while jamie is just a poor goon.

Let's think about this a little.

If it's the smuggler, doesn't matter. Vig is dead. Doesn't help with the tracker.

If it's the investigator, they get a shot at finding a protective role.

If it's the roleblocker, they can ensure Durga doesn't get a scan if she is saved, or they can try to prevent a doc save.

All of these also allow us to keep Jamie around, potentially for two more days, and he is proving to be a calming presence on this game and not a bad person.


If he's the jailer, we lose the opportunity to have him jail Durga, which they know he'll do and can simply avoid, she won't get a scan, and we'll be asking the same question tomorrow.


Yeah I'm back at we just kill Bunny.

[ghug]

FWIW, I am over this game.

Durga caught 3 scum, Bunny is full of shit.

I hard-claim Jailer - town only needs to find two more scum out of the ridiculous amount of players still alive.

That was dumb.

[ghug]

Look, if you're going to force me to remain alive, so be it. I'll do my best to keep you entertained with my remarks, my jokes, even some poetry. But I'm not sure why you're convinced Bunny is my team-mate. If you have to kill one of my team-mates before me, why not Bozo, or Hellenic Riot, or Yoyoyozo?

Ooh he doing that sweet wifom thing.

[worcej]

FWIW, I am over this game.

Durga caught 3 scum, Bunny is full of shit.

I hard-claim Jailer - town only needs to find two more scum out of the ridiculous amount of players still alive.

That was dumb.

I don't fucking care anymore.

The next 9 days of this game are worthless due to the no hammering and I am fucking over this game already.

[aarodactyl]

What’s the logic again to kill me before Jimbo?

If you're scum, you have a role while jamie is just a poor goon.

And if I’m not scum we lose the intel of killing a scum and confirming their role, while ALSO killing the jailor.

if you're jailer, you're getting roleblocked anyways. Also, what intel do we get by killing jamie this turn versus next turn?

[Jamiet99uk]

FWIW, I am over this game.

Durga caught 3 scum, Bunny is full of shit.

I hard-claim Jailer - town only needs to find two more scum out of the ridiculous amount of players still alive.

No. I am the Jailor. Worcej can't even spell it right. Please vote for Worcej and Bunny.

[worcej]

FWIW, I am over this game.

Durga caught 3 scum, Bunny is full of shit.

I hard-claim Jailer - town only needs to find two more scum out of the ridiculous amount of players still alive.

No. I am the Jailor. Worcej can't even spell it right. Please vote for Worcej and Bunny.

You're scum and Bunny fucked your claim up by going through it.

EMC is for sure the coordinator.