M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[Nephthys]

Also rip brain but I think it helps my PoE sooo....


Somewhat did wish for more Brain theories and quotes from the QT but can’t be sad I guess

[Fluminator]

who are you

[Nephthys]

damo why would you want a tie?

because no death is better than a towndeath?

We should no kill every day.

A man of science!

Give this man a cookie

[Durga]

On phone with a bit of time.

There’s some horrific posts from Fluminator at EoD, someone might be able to quote them but there’s one where he says he won’t switch cause it’ll tie it then goes on to say it’s TvT

Very scummy

How is it scummy?

[Durga]

People love to assert random things and scummy or townie this game its so... Bizarre.

[Nephthys]

On phone with a bit of time.

There’s some horrific posts from Fluminator at EoD, someone might be able to quote them but there’s one where he says he won’t switch cause it’ll tie it then goes on to say it’s TvT

Very scummy

How is it scummy?

I won’t switch my vote because that will tie it - this at least shows some indication of preferring to kill HB/save BB

I think it’s TvT - seems odd to post this given the above. A logical discourse if you will

[kgray]

kgray, ghug, durga, Jamie and HB have all voted to kill BOTH town ND and town brain. HB's brain vote is excusable due to self-preservation but as for the other four....they can't all be town can they?

Tomorrow I think we should contain our votes to these 4 plus Maniac.

You're right damo, it's totally unreasonable that townies who know only their own alignment would vote two townies in a row, so therefore we must be sum....

A probability person like you should know that this makes no sense.

[Nephthys]

Does anyone have any reasons they're townreading Hamilton that I'm missing?

All I've been given so far is he left the Maniac wagon day 1 onto yoyo putting the Teacon wagon in the lead.

Evidence of him scumreading HB

[Fluminator]

I heavily scumread HB until he obvtowned.

[Nephthys]

Ok brain is officially a scumread now too.

Every other post from him today is him talking about how he tried to save teacon and it almost sounds jubilant and smug with how much he brings it up along with the excitement behind it.
It really feels he's going into his "I'm so crazy and whacky" meta to cover his tracks to get away with it and loving every minute it's working.
I feel like town brain would not be like this.

Brain, Brian, probably one of ghug/Vecna/Balki, probably a couple out of the pool of lurkers/new players/Maniac.
I'd put damo in there too but I'll trust HR's read on him for now and there's an abundance of scummy behaviour this game to go around.

Bunny is still kind of scummy too lol.

Evidence of him saying it was S/S

What changed your mind?

[Nephthys]

I heavily scumread HB until he obvtowned.

Then why post you “wouldn’t switch cause it would tie”

Shouldn’t it more have been
“HB on Townes and I scumread Brain?”

[Nephthys]

I heavily scumread HB until he obvtowned.

Then why post you “wouldn’t switch cause it would tie”

Shouldn’t it more have been
“HB on Townes and I scumread Brain?”

Obvtowned

[kgray]

damo why would you want a tie?

because no death is better than a towndeath?

Eh... a town flip is still information regardless.

But this isn't your first time thinking this if I recall prior games.

He was scum when he argued this!! In M1011. You made a *huge* deal out of people saying it wasn't scummy to tie the vote, and then I'm pretty sure that in the god thread you said something like "at least I was sort of right and the people saying it wasn't scummy were scum."

It's so hard to tell if worcej is in the deepest tunnel imaginable or if he's actually scum. But one thing I know that is consistent about worcej is how much he prioritizes info over keeping a townie alive, and how much he scumreads and makes a big deal out of people who disagree on this.

So the fact that he thinks it's acceptable for (1) damo to avoid voting to save his strongest townread, even though the counter wagon was damo's mild townlean at best; and (2) for damo to say he *preferred* a tie to a flip because he thought both wagons were town, and that's why he didn't vote... is just nuts. Absolutely nuts.

[Fluminator]

It comes with experience. Sometimes you get a strong gut feeling when a wagon a few minutes before eod is going to be a miskill.

[Fluminator]

If I was a doctor, I'd be saving Kgray right now.

[worcej]

because no death is better than a towndeath?

Eh... a town flip is still information regardless.

But this isn't your first time thinking this if I recall prior games.

He was scum when he argued this!! In M1011. You made a *huge* deal out of people saying it wasn't scummy to tie the vote, and then I'm pretty sure that in the god thread you said something like "at least I was sort of right and the people saying it wasn't scummy were scum."

It's so hard to tell if worcej is in the deepest tunnel imaginable or if he's actually scum. But one thing I know that is consistent about worcej is how much he prioritizes info over keeping a townie alive, and how much he scumreads and makes a big deal out of people who disagree on this.

So the fact that he thinks it's acceptable for (1) damo to avoid voting to save his strongest townread, even though the counter wagon was damo's mild townlean at best; and (2) for damo to say he *preferred* a tie to a flip because he thought both wagons were town, and that's why he didn't vote... is just nuts. Absolutely nuts.

I cannot remember a lot of things - but I am okay with being wrong. M1011 was almost 7 months ago, so yeah - opinions change.

I mean, I guess you think I am scum for 'tunneling' you? Damo didn't tie the vote, I wouldn't let him if it tried. Information was gained - so what's your concern?

I don't think it's a big deal that he didn't vote his mild townlean over a conf-town... I don't think this is something abnormal for me, but go ahead and quote me from a game like M1011 (that was 11 games ago and, as I said, was almost 7 months ago FWIW)

And yeah, I am nuts. I play an internet deduction game regularly and constantly pull my hair out over trying to figure out which one of you dinks are lying profusely - I have to be partially insane.

[Nephthys]

It comes with experience. Sometimes you get a strong gut feeling when a wagon a few minutes before eod is going to be a miskill.

Yea nah, don’t buy it sorry

[kgray]

Extremely null. My null read was based on the D1 stuff and that's inconclusive.

What do you think about him declaring you town but not helping save you?

Now that I'm back and had some time with it...it doesn't make sense. I have to put me in that exact situation and I draw this conclusion. "I'm going to declare townread, but I personally am not convinced. I, instead, will hope to pull votes off of them, and on to someone else." So why do that?

Bear with the thinking. It's the motivation that I'm concerned about. Would town do that? Town would probably move to that competing wagon. Why would town not move? Not really convinced.

Scum motivated? They know I'm town. Know Brainbomb was town. Let the TvT play out?

Do you think damo really tried to pull votes away from you? Even if he wasn't willing to move to brain, do you think he honestly tried to get people to vote for me?

As far as the motivation: if my strongest townread were on the block I'd do everything I could to get votes off them. For example, see how I worked to get rid of the bozo wagon. I think town!damo would care enough to do this too. And it's more than just him not voting for brain - he just let the brain wagon form. He didn't speak out against it until 2 minutes before EOD when he said the wagons were TvT. At no point did he do anything to protect his "townreads."

So it's not *just* about him not voting to save you. It's actually much worse that. I'm pretty convinced at this point that scum!damo knew it was TvT and didn't care which of you went. And by staying on my wagon, which wasn't going to be the lead wagon at that point, he get's to avoid being part of a wagon that kills town.

He's scum.

[Fluminator]

Apology accepted.

Also, who are you? This is the first I've noticed you this game.

[worcej]

If I was a doctor, I'd be saving Kgray right now.

And if I was a vig, I'd be shooting her.