M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[kgray]

And it wouldn't be the worst thing to flip one of the ND voters D2.

Why? Just because they were on the wagon or because one/some of them are particularly suspicious to you?

[kgray]

Here kgray explains why she is voting for teacon over ND, but she was still hedging, giving her the option of moving to ND. When she did move from teacon to ND, she inserted a short push on BunnyGo that was unlikely to go anywhere, which is a classic scum move to obscure a significant vote change.

The only thing I questioned previously was that emc claimed he had not played with kgray recently, and kgray did not point out that they were both in M60 and M59 (although emc was a sub in those games).

I'm sorry, would you prefer I declare at the beginning of the day who I will be voting for and restrict myself to only voting that person? Should I not be open about who I'm scumreading and would vote for? Should I ignore what the wagons look like when voting?

emc and I didn't interact much in either of those games so that's not really relevant to his opinion of how likely I am to tease people.

[Hellenic Riot]

And it wouldn't be the worst thing to flip one of the ND voters D2.

Are you volunteering?

[kgray]

BunnyGo was already voting for teacon when you voted for teacon, and the other things except what Vecna said seems like they would have been true when you voted for teacon.

Also, the 7 minute push on BunnyGo between taking teacon out of the lead and putting ND in the lead looks suspicious.

Have you read the game or just EOD? Also I specifically said Bunny’s “happy with where my vote is” post before leaving was extra scummy imo, so vecna’s comment wasn’t the only thing that changed.

I have read the game. BunnyGo's post does not explain why you listed 3 things that did not change as explanations. Why did you not like BunnyGo saying he was happy with his vote, when he gave the same reason for voting for teacon that you did?

Why don't you understand that people can have multiple options they'd be happy with? There were reasons I preferred ND over teacon and there were reasons I preferred teacon over ND. I made my reasons for scumreading each of them clear. There were two events that happened near EOD that pushed ND over teacon, but that doesn't mean they're the only reasons I preferred him.

And I didn't like Bunny saying he was happy with where his vote was and leaving. He did that last game as scum when he didn't think we could change the vote so I think he did it as scum in this game because he didn't care which wagon died.

[Vecna]

Kgray, did you feel there was unnaturally much resistance against the Neph wagon/scum case? Compared to HR's EMC case for example.

[Hamilton Brian]

Did you see kgray's vote for ND before you voted for him?

No. My memory of that process was that I saw ties at 4 or 5 each and I had a stronger townread of Teacon than ND. WHich will make me look like absolute shit if Teacon does flip scum.

[Bonatogether]

There wasn't exactly time for a lot of discussion about it, since it was right at EOD.

Not even a quick post as to why they were voting? A quick list of reasons that they could then elaborate on more after the flip?

That close to EOD it doesn’t bother me (realizing I’m one of the people who did this). People should be able to elaborate more after the deadline, and especially if it’s a surprising vote that wasn’t expected based on previous reads. Do any of those votes fit that category for you that you want more explanation on?

Hamilton put out an explanation (2361/119) in which he said that he did not want to hop on the ND wagon, but he then voted ND because he was a greater distraction to town. This is possible, but I'd be interested to hear why he thought teacon and maniac were not worth the vote.

You posted something (2404, 121), but was a total hedge in which you stated you had reasons for suspecting town and scum on both. You also said there were two events near EoD that decided your vote - what were these? but you also said that you had other reasons - such as? The whole thing says nothing.

Brainbomb hasn't posted since EoD. :|

[Vecna]

Did you see kgray's vote for ND before you voted for him?

No. My memory of that process was that I saw ties at 4 or 5 each and I had a stronger townread of Teacon than ND. WHich will make me look like absolute shit if Teacon does flip scum.

If teacon does flip town at some point, this post should reflect pretty decently on HB

[ghug]

I still don't really understand why people felt anything about teacon.

[kgray]

Kgray, did you feel there was unnaturally much resistance against the Neph wagon/scum case? Compared to HR's EMC case for example.

Hmm. Balki and ghug fought me on that read and I don't think either ever explained why they think he's town. They both just asked me why I thought he was scum and picked at some details of my reasons but ignored my main point that I don't think Neph was trying to figure out about ND's motivations. So yeah, I can see some resistance there, or at least a lack of interest in digging deeper, but I don't know if it's unnatural. The three of them have had too many interactions with each other for me to think it's likely that they're all scum.

Who else do you think resisted the Neph wagon/case?

[Hamilton Brian]

This is possible, but I'd be interested to hear why he thought teacon and maniac were not worth the vote.

I had been townreading Teacon. They weren't a viable candidate for me. Maniac, who I had been on before my Yoyo vote, also hadn't seemed to have garnered that much attention when I went to change my vote. So it really was between ND and Teacon for me. I was very surprised when I checked the bot after my final vote to see the number that came up for Maniac.

[Hamilton Brian]

I still don't really understand why people felt anything about teacon.

For me, It is a pretty solitary thing that they said regarding toxicity and township. Of course, scum would be perfectly capable of offering a statement like that then covertly stir shit up to sow dissension and confusion.

[kgray]

Not even a quick post as to why they were voting? A quick list of reasons that they could then elaborate on more after the flip?

That close to EOD it doesn’t bother me (realizing I’m one of the people who did this). People should be able to elaborate more after the deadline, and especially if it’s a surprising vote that wasn’t expected based on previous reads. Do any of those votes fit that category for you that you want more explanation on?

Hamilton put out an explanation (2361/119) in which he said that he did not want to hop on the ND wagon, but he then voted ND because he was a greater distraction to town. This is possible, but I'd be interested to hear why he thought teacon and maniac were not worth the vote.

You posted something (2404, 121), but was a total hedge in which you stated you had reasons for suspecting town and scum on both. You also said there were two events near EoD that decided your vote - what were these? but you also said that you had other reasons - such as? The whole thing says nothing.

Brainbomb hasn't posted since EoD. :|

I think I have now explained in detail my reasons for scumreading teacon and ND and why I went with ND over teacon. It will show up in my ISO on the bot, both before EOD and in response to HR and bozo questioning me tonight. If you have any more questions, let me know.

As an aside, if what I was doing is considered hedging, then I'm changing my mind about hedging being scummy. The fact that people think it's suspicious that I had reasons for both teacon and ND and was thinking through my decision is astounding.

[kgray]

I still don't really understand why people felt anything about teacon.

Thoughts on his vote for Jamie?

[kgray]

I still don't really understand why people felt anything about teacon.

For me, It is a pretty solitary thing that they said regarding toxicity and township. Of course, scum would be perfectly capable of offering a statement like that then covertly stir shit up to sow dissension and confusion.

What's your read on Balki?

[Hamilton Brian]

@Jamie, why did you feel that jumping on ND was the best place to land?

@brainbomb, when you do resurface, care to explain your rationale?

[Hamilton Brian]

What's your read on Balki?

I think they're scummy. I had a clear reason yesterday but it's all hazed up. They and Flum.

[ghug]

I still don't really understand why people felt anything about teacon.

Thoughts on his vote for Jamie?

I don't really like the argument (bo dropped out because he's a terrible person and that's it. I hope whatever is going on is causing him pain.), but it doesn't seem that uncharacteristic for teacon to think it.

[teacon7]

RIP ND. This is why we can't have nice things.

[ghug]

RIP ND. This is why we can't have nice things.

Is ND a nice thing?