M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[Vecna]

did anything in his long post move the dial for you to scummier or townier?

It actually moved it towards scummier side for me sadly. ND knows very well his wagon wont be a "goldmine of information". Not any more than any normal wagon on D1. There being pissed off town votes on it actually strongly reduces the information. He truely doesnt care about the pressure Vash thing just because he skated to the endgame by lurking once upon a blue moon (we've all done that).

Also he blatantly kicked against the logic of it being a gambit to attract kills, saying he plays like this every game. Which is blatantly false, because all his games use different shades of playstyles. He has had plenty of games where he barely insults anyone, but just makes snide comments to show people his displeasure. This playstyle was done intentionally, and the mark is moving more towards scum wifom for me.

And before anyone asks: ND is a way more competent scum player than you guys currently imagine if he puts his mind to it. He is easily on Kgray's level.

He's the opposite of kgray. Hard to read but not strategic.

He does the exact thing as you do by toying with meta and perception

[ghug]

It's in the opening set up message IN CAPITALS. I remember it from when I read it. It is after all a fundamental piece of game information.

@Balki - this is my opinion too. For people to not at least know the team compositions on D1 is very concerning.

Concerning how?

Like, you think it means we are scum?

I see two possibilities: (1) Durga is town who did not recall the part of the OP that said how many scum there were, or (2) Durga is scum who purposefully wrote in the thread that she didn’t know how many scum there were in an effort to look like she must be town.

Do you agree that those are the two possibilities? That is — if she’s scum, she knows how many teammates she has for sure, right?

So, the key question is — do you think it’s plausible that Scum!Durga would post that she doesn’t know how many scum players there are in an effort to get people to think she is Town? I don’t see her doing that. I don’t see her thinking that would be an effective strategy to get town credit.

Would you respond to that?

It's working on you.

She's also done it in many other games, as have others (like me). She's also definitely the type to actually not know how many scum there are if she is town. It's definitely NAI.

[ND]

Yawn I am going to take a nap. I don't really care. Lynch me or don't. I've contributed a lot to this game that someone can examine later down the line. Esp with Ghug/Durga. I'm just a VT, it hardly matters. Peace out.

[kgray]

Yes, I was exaggerating. I was trying to be funny. If I literally spent half my day giving energy to Bozo's post, I'd have a pissed-off employer.

I don’t really care whether your statement was literal. Was there truth behind this joke? Did you spend a bunch of time trying to decipher Bozo’s post?

It just seemed like an odd thing to emphasize. Possibly because you were trying to suggest to the thread “Hey thread, I’m really looking seriously at what people write and trying to puzzle solve,” which is what scum are trying to suggest to the thread. Only you picked a thing to emphasize that was a poor facsimile of actual puzzle solving.

Bingo!

How come you two aren't promising to sheep each other yet? Which one of you is scum this time?

[ghug]

i dont see how you could townread the Kgray slot before, but have doubts now. She only recently started her towntelling process, but did so quite convincingly in a way ive never seen her play as scum (and this tell has worked every game since I discovered it).

Would be interesting to see if she has a clue what it is

I have guesses but I don't think they're right, since I couldn't figure out why I was so widely scumread last game (until ghug died, because I was super scummy that EOD).

You've now oozed town in 2/3 games I've played with you. You didn't last game.

[ghug]

Loool I just genuinely didn't see the number. This reaction is hilarious

Dislike this post.

[Jamiet99uk]

7.

It was to see who would notice the text color.

what?

Anyone reading that post in the thread in dark mode likely did not notice anything different about the text color.

So.
Fucking.
What.
Bozo?

Please tell us how using dark mode vs standard mode is alignment-indicative?

Enlighten us with your pulsating intellect. We are agog with anticipation at the pure white light of insight that you must surely be about to deliver.

[ghug]

Okay, pretty sure Durga is town. This is town confusion. And it feels authentic because when she said it, I felt like she was probably right that the opening post did not say how many scum there were.

She (and you, for that matter) is very capable of faking this confusion. It's NAI.

Certainly capable. It’s not a difficult thing to fake. But do you think she would?

Do you think Scum!Durga would expect that people would townread her for this? I doubt it.

Maybe I already convinced you with my last post on the subject, but: I would scumread her if she knew how many scum there were. This fits with her town meta, so it's worth doing as either alignment.

[Durga]

Loool I just genuinely didn't see the number. This reaction is hilarious

Dislike this post.

That's ok

[ghug]

Scum neph thinking he could get ghug killed? Doesnt sound like thats in nephs wheelhouse of bravery

Why does scum!neph need to try to get ghug killed? He can just as easily hide behind a push that people won't follow him on.

Brain is just showing an appropriate level of respect for my awesomeness.

[Vecna]

please let's not get toxic.

Why don't you tell that to your lovely trumper friend and leave me alone?

Unless you're really getting into the flavor, I don't think people's politics are relevant to the game. I don't see how that's going to help make things more productive. It's just throwing fuel on the fire.

This dynamic will not end until each of you take individual owership of your own part in it.

@ND - Please don't antagonize durga. It makes everyone's life worse, and there's no conceivable kind of information you're going to get from pissing her off. Generating reactions is one thing, but we're all kinda expecting this situation to happen. Which means it's no longer a good rxn test, and just a pain in the butt. I don't want to play in that game.

Teacon, can you do that thing where you ignore this interaction and focus on getting some reads and calling out some bitches?

[brainbomb]

##Vote Maniac

[kgray]

Hamilton seems so different to me this game. More confident, maybe? Are other people noticing this or is it just because it's the first time I've had to figure out his alignment?

[e.m.c^42]

I have returned from food-induced half hibernation!

[ghug]

She (and you, for that matter) is very capable of faking this confusion. It's NAI.

It was almost definitely a fake townslip, but for durga I feel like that's NAI

7. You think that Durga would deliberately try to create fake town-tells, as town?

Yes. I do this too, FWIW. This could easily be a real towntell too, though. Flum has too much faith in people's willingness to read the setup.

[BunnyGo]

##GM NOTE
Vote Count 62.4
(Adhering to our Ancient Policy of Simple, un-blue-linked VC’s. At least for today)
ND (3) Durga, ghug, brainybomb
ghug (2) Einstein, Nephthys
bozotheclown (2) Yoyo, Jamie
Nephthys (2) kgray, vecna
e.m.c^42 (2) chaqa
Fluminator (1) Bonatogether
Chaqa (1) Bunnywent
Worcej (1) damo
VashtaNeurotic (1) ND
damo666 (1) Maniacal
Hamilton Brian (1) Flum

Un-vote (2) aarodactyl, Hamilton Brian

Everyone has done their part in meeting minimum productivity requirements.

No one is hammering

Non-voters, who need to exercise their civic duty or be cast out forever from our Player’s Paradise:
Balki, bozo, celaph, HR, rdrivera, teacon, Vashta, worcej.

If the final election were held at this moment, ND would be removed from the list of the living.

(WOW… this is headed towards the LARGEST webDipmaf posting totals in the history of webDipmaf posting totals. This collective is to be commended for productivity.)
(WOW… this collective has NOT be honoring the GM’s with appropriate Socia-Karma, in a capitalist-seeming manner of individual reward. TiA.)

I have voted though it doesn't show up on the bot either for reasons I don't know. viewtopic.php?p=192691#p192691.

Unvote only counts if you had a valid vote first. You can ##vote no-kill if you want.

[worcej]

There's a huge difference between using a similar opening statement from game to game and trying to change how you read/listen/play the game to get better at being town.

Don't like this post from worcej.

Is there?

Because when I think people are making strong efforts to play entirely different, like limiting their post counts and trying to be as concise as possible and not engage in banter with other people as much as they have in the past, I don’t think their prior behaviors/posts should be mentioned on a way to towncred.

I don’t like how limited your assessment is on how hard Jamie is trying to change - go read the GT of last game, pretty sure I shoved his PMs into it.

Yeah, there totally is a difference. Using a similar entrance doesn't affect the rest of his game at all. Limiting his posts might, or watching instead of pushing his own reads definitely would. But I don't see how you can think he can't be both trying to improve his hunting game and also sticking with a NAI comment he likes to make at the beginning of the game. I'm not saying that entrance makes him towny, I'm questioning why you think it's contrary to him trying to change.

The contrary is he was using his entrance style as a means to say ‘hey, I am not scum because you could see that in the past when I was scum, I did this and I didn’t do that this time.’

If someone is actively trying to change their gameplay methods, making that statement is worthless and trying to buy town credit with a maxed out Visa.

[ghug]

Did I miss something?

@HR - why are you voting emc? What did he do?

Why are you concerned about this vote specifically? He did post explaining it.

[kgray]

The set up doesn't say how many scum there are. Is it 5?

Well you are either scum or incredibly lazy town.

Either way ##vote Durga

Do you really think that not knowing the number of scum on Day 1 in a game this size means you are “incredibly lazy town,” if town?

I am town. I did not recall how many scum there were or whether the opening post mentioned how many scum there were. How about you?

Yeah I didn't know how many scum there were either, and everybody knows Durga doesn't read setups. This is dumb.

[BunnyGo]

Bb is brain, balki is balki

Stop. Ffs make clear statements. Don’t be Damo. You know better.