MAFIA XXXVI: ODDJOB'S REVENGE

[Balki Bartokomous]

Weird that peterlund says I have been on Townies every day. This is the second time I've seen someone who says they think RagingIke is Scum, actually assume that RagingIke is actually Town.

The first time was Foxcastle.

Please don't forget:

If RagingIke is Scum, Foxcastle is certainly town (see Reedeer vote on Day 1)
If RagingIke is Town, Foxcastle and peterlund are likely both scum (both seem to have assumed that RagingIke was Town, even though they say that they think he is Scum)

[Balki Bartokomous]

I have a thing during EOD today, so I may be able to steal glances at my phone, but I can’t really participate.

If I flip today:

Rdrivera and Snowy are town.

I think Thamrick is scum. Please read my post at the top of page 99. Here is a link. viewtopic.php?f=4&t=595&sid=6273a795d2c ... 960#p18670

I’d love it if Thamrick would answer questions about it. I wish that someone would respond to it and say whether they think I am off base or they agree. I’d settle for anyone just reading it.

Frustrating day for me today. I feel like I’m going to be lynched and I don’t see any case at all. There is a whole bunch of “well, he was RBed, but it could be a crazy scum plot.” Well, he created and pushed a wagon on likely scum Ike, but it could have been a crazy scum plot.” “Well, he’s been active, engaged, and taking risks, but it could be a clever scum trick.”

There is no use of Occam’s razor and no use of the “if it walks like a duck…” thinking that DemonRHK expressed elsewhere.

The only real point anyone has said to suggest that I am scum is that NK target Xorx listed me in his reads. Here is what he said:

Towniest: Ike (unless and until proven otherwise), Dargo, Teacher, Prado, yavu
Townish: ghug, Jamiet, DrCJG, thamrick, DemonRHK
Null of all nullity: Chaqa, Ezio, reedeer, Stressedlines, snowy
Scumish: Balki, Telamor, peterlund, rdrivera
Scumiest: No strong scum read at this point.

Bizarrely, peterlund has read me as scum all game because he thinks that I told a scumteam of 5 that we should not hunt for cop, we should hunt for one guy who listed me as “scummish” on N1 to save me from…I don’t know…I was worried I was going to be lynched Day 2? I have no idea. And…I have no idea why peter has not applied the same logic to read rdrivera as scum, or recognized the fact that peterlund himself is sitting there in Xorx’s “scumish” reads right next to me.

Anyway, if y’all want to join scum in lynching me today, without thinking critically about the game, well, that’s dumb. I’m sorry I didn’t play better.

[peterlund]

1. How confident are you that I am scum? Can you put a percentage on it?

85%

2. Why do you think I am scum? I feel like you said that maybe around Day 2 or so, and you haven't listed any evolution there. You just keep asserting it over and over. Why is it? Is it that Xorx listed me as "Scummish"?

Reasons:

• 1. Your fake RB claim N1

• 2. Your resent motivation that scum RBed you N1 because they thought you were Cop. If that had been true they would have NKed/RBed you every night since then which they have not.

• 3. You saving Snowy D2

• 4. You saving Snowy D3

• 5. You encouraging your puppl Snowy to take a more active role in this game. Is Snowy the deep threat Scum in your team or is Snowy your GF?

[RagingIke297]

##Vote Peter let's see if this goes anywhere...

[Foxcastle]

Ezio helps bring up the Thamrick wagon.

Ike tries to bring up a Peter wagon.

Seems like scum are trying to spread the wagons out so it's harder to land on scum?

[RagingIke297]

Ezio helps bring up the Thamrick wagon.

Ike tries to bring up a Peter wagon.

Seems like scum are trying to spread the wagons out so it's harder to land on scum?

Ezio and Balki brought up the Thamrick wagon which I think is a bus.

How do you read peter?

[Foxcastle]

I had been scumleaning on Peter. But I have backed off that, largely because I think he's made some arguments and attacks that scum wouldn't make.

[Balki Bartokomous]

1. Your fake RB claim N1

Have you considered the possibility that scum actually used their RB on N1 to try to prevent a cop from getting a scan? Why do you discount that possibility?

2. Your resent motivation that scum RBed you N1 because they thought you were Cop. If that had been true they would have NKed/RBed you every night since then which they have not.

Have you considered the possibility that Scum thought I might be Cop on Night 1 and then changed their mind or developed other more pressing agendas? Do you agree that a scum team of five could have changing agendas over the course of the game?

3. You saving Snowy D2 and D3

Have you considered the possibility that I think Snowy is Town?

5. You encouraging your puppl Snowy to take a more active role in this game. Is Snowy the deep threat Scum in your team or is Snowy your GF?

Have you considered the fact that Scum have a QT where they can do things like encourage each other to be more active, and so if anyone is going encourage their scumbuddy to play harder, they would be most likely to do that in private?

Also, have you considered that Town Balki might think it is actually advantageous to Town if Snowy participates more actively?

[peterlund]

Bizarrely, peterlund has read me as scum all game because he thinks that I told a scumteam of 5 that we should not hunt for cop, we should hunt for one guy who listed me as “scummish”

Now Balki is lying AGAIN! Liers twisting the truth or omitting essetial parts are generally scum. I also listed the so called "joke post" from xorxes, Night-1 01:02 page 33.

From the Mafia QT:

Ezio: kill xorxes before he finds us all out.
Ike: Phew, that was a close one.
Balki: You were meant to die, now I will have to bus another one of you tomorrow to get towncred.
Telamor: Should I keep pushing the Prado?
[hours later] Chaqa: Hi guys! I just read my PM and found the link here, what did I miss?

Where Balki and his scum team could have thought that this was a Cop crumb.

[Foxcastle]

Huh, Balki starts casting doubt on Peter, but Ike starts the wagon... I wonder if Balki will join.

[DrCJG]

I'm just not buying the Balki is scum arguments, maybe I am having confirmation bias because I have had him in my town reads and just tried to read back through it all assuming my townreads are correct... but it seems entirely possible that he was in fact RB'd. Even if mafia RB'd him thinking he was cop I don't see why they would have necessarily stuck with him as suggested by Peter.

Since I am still not getting any support for Yav, I am fine with either Thamrick or Ezio both are at the bottom of my scumlist. I will look back at both, but for now ##vote Ezio.

[RagingIke297]

Peter is slinging some pretty strong words but isn't backing it up with a vote, I'm interested to see where it goes

[Tom Bombadil]

Vote Count 4.5


Ezio (4): dargorygel, bo_sox48, Jamiet99uk, DrCJG
Thamrick (3): rdrivera2005, Balki Bartokomous, Ezio
Snowy801 (2): DemonRHK, yavuzovic
Balki Bartokomous (2): Foxcastle, yavuzovic
DrCJG (1): snowy801
Jamiet99uk (1): TrPrado
Bo_sox48 (1): peterlund
Peterlund (1): RagingIke297

Currently Ezio is set to be lynched



There is 1 hour remaining in D4.

[Foxcastle]

I applaud DrCJG for moving to consolidate wagons.

[rdrivera2005]

I am leaving work. Hope to be online at EOD but not sure.
I am keeping my vote on Tham right now, even though I don't like the way Ezio hedged his vote on Tham.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Huh, Balki starts casting doubt on Peter, but Ike starts the wagon... I wonder if Balki will join.

I am not casting doubt on Peter. I think Peter is a confused Townie, not scum. I'm not going to join that wagon.

[Tom Bombadil]

Sorry typo. Amended:

Vote Count 4.5


Ezio (4): dargorygel, bo_sox48, Jamiet99uk, DrCJG
Thamrick (3): rdrivera2005, Balki Bartokomous, Ezio
Snowy801 (2): DemonRHK, yavuzovic
Balki Bartokomous (2): Foxcastle, thamrick
DrCJG (1): snowy801
Jamiet99uk (1): TrPrado
Bo_sox48 (1): peterlund
Peterlund (1): RagingIke297

Currently Ezio is set to be lynched



There is 1 hour remaining in D4.

[peterlund]

Peter is slinging some pretty strong words but isn't backing it up with a vote, I'm interested to see where it goes

Sorry poor Ike but you are not important enough to vote you yet. Before in my scum lynch queue are both Balki and Bo.

Did I hurt your feelings now? Sorry.

[RagingIke297]

Peter is slinging some pretty strong words but isn't backing it up with a vote, I'm interested to see where it goes

Sorry poor Ike but you are not important enough to vote you yet. Before in my scum lynch queue are both Balki and Bo.

Did I hurt your feelings now? Sorry.

I just want to see if/when you move from being on Bo by yourself

[Foxcastle]

Peter, I don't think Bo is happening tonight. Who are your other reads?