M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[Vecna]

I am not sure this is the right play Maniac, but let's do it.

##vote Chaqa

His exchange with Kgray and his reads evolution seems anything but town.

In fact I don't mind killing him today and let Maniac power for another day.

I mightve actually been wrong about Rdrivera. So little he says resonates this game. The only standout thing he's done has been to be upset about HR, but he'd probably do that as scum as well since its such an easy stance.

[TheMadMonarch]

Soooo.... No-one likes Maniac's claim idea? I should stop participating?

[Vecna]

N2 Flavor:
The game continues on through the night. The video cameras watch all the active players as the hunters make their way to their kill. They find a lone gladiator off in the distance, looking confused. The hunters pounce and he is taken care of swiftly.

teacon7 HAS DIED. HE WAS THE TOWN 1-Shot Gladiator!

The radio channels for the film crew light up. They detect a rules violation after the contestants were given firm warnings. The Mastermind sighs and tells his crew to deal with the rule breaker.

Hamilton Brian HAS DIED. HE HAS BEEN MOD-KILLED FOR RULE VIOLATING AFTER A FINAL WARNING WAS ISSUED. He was the Town 2-Shot Neighborizer.

Day 3 has begun. You may now post.

man, I did see it yesterday while drinking, but this is really ridiculous. It does not impact the game at all, just 2 mins late, was not intentional at all, yet it completely fucks us in the ass

It is not ridiculous. It is unfortunate.
HB started his post saying he was typing at EON and given the length of post and its timestamp of 02 HB must have known (or at least strongly suspected) the post was after EON when he hit 'Submit'.

It's a nuisance for town but I support the decision. Rules are rules.

If people want to post a read list at the last minute have it pre prepared, not start to type it up at the last minute.

My townread on Vecna weakens. I smell faux outrage.

This shit literally happens on 50% of phase changes. Never has anyone ever been killed for it. Give people a 1 game ban if you have to do something. Dont fuck over the current game because you want to make a point.

Your nose is terrible. Why am I fake?

[Vecna]

Ah I see Maniac claims vengeful.

We think this is a scum claim, yes?

That is, it may be his correct role - but if we daykill him today, then we are handing scum a double NK tonight, in effect.

Clever play, Maniac.

I thought you’d resigned from the stupid committee. At this rate they’ll make you life president

Ah, I see. You must select your target before your death.

I'm sure I was in a game once where the Vengeful got to select a kill *after* they died. Mind you, it was a specific town role in that setup so I guess this is different...


"You are the Vengeful. During the day phase, you may select a target. If you do, when you are eliminated that player will also be eliminated with you."

Hmmmm.

wait, it doesnt work on nightkills? then claiming it was probably even more stupid.

Were not lynching maniac

[Jamiet99uk]

Soooo.... No-one likes Maniac's claim idea? I should stop participating?

What makes you say this?

[Jamiet99uk]

wait, it doesnt work on nightkills? then claiming it was probably even more stupid.

Were not lynching maniac

No, apparently what happens is, during the Day phase, while they are still alive, the Vengeful picks a target. Then if, that day, the Vengeful is [hanged], then the target dies too.

So for example if Maniac picks you, and then we vote to kill Maniac, you would die as well.

[Jamiet99uk]

The problem is, if Maniac is Scum Vengeful, how can we win without daykilling him at some point?

Perhaps it is therefore better to do it today than waiting until there are only a few town left?

I guess Vengeful is a pretty damn powerful role for Scum to have.

[Vecna]

yeah so the only usefull use of that ability is if maniac is actually a likely chance to get mispooped for him to drag scum along with him.

But then he puts it in the rest of our hands.....which means we couldve just pooped on that person instead without killing maniac in the process.

How are you missing this logic maniac? Why go through the grand spectacle of making us choose. Youre sacrefising yourself to get a result that a normal dayphase would achieve? A democratically chosen death. Except now, if youre town, you guarantee it comes with a downside as well.

fucking a

[TheMadMonarch]

Soooo.... No-one likes Maniac's claim idea? I should stop participating?

What makes you say this?

Because I thought it was a good idea, and no-one else seems to think so.

[TheMadMonarch]

I can see his rationale. (assuming he is town)

He is looking to get killed today, in which case, town dies.

He could set off his ability and take someone out, but he might miss.

He assumes that the town's consensus will be more accurate than his guess, so he calls for a vote to decide.


Secondly, it does not seem (at least to me), that the double takedown does still function after a NK. In which case:

This claim could save him and we'd have a cleared (-ish) townie. Normally these would be perfect NK targets, but the maf now risk one of their own being taken down with him.


I do not believe that scum!maniac would attempt this strategy, so I propose that we do not vote him, and see what the maf do.

[TheMadMonarch]

I can see his rationale. (assuming he is town)

He is looking to get killed today, in which case, town dies.

He could set off his ability and take someone out, but he might miss.

He assumes that the town's consensus will be more accurate than his guess, so he calls for a vote to decide.


Secondly, it does not seem (at least to me), that the double takedown does still function after a NK. In which case:

This claim could save him and we'd have a cleared (-ish) townie. Normally these would be perfect NK targets, but the maf now risk one of their own being taken down with him.


I do not believe that scum!maniac would attempt this strategy, so I propose that we do not vote him, and see what the maf do.

I see that all the Maniac votes have already moved. I think we should keep it this way, but also, stop throwing shade on him.

He is now my second highest townread (after Jamie).

[Jamiet99uk]

Soooo.... No-one likes Maniac's claim idea? I should stop participating?

What makes you say this?

Because I thought it was a good idea, and no-one else seems to think so.

I am specifically voting for Chaqa because he is on Maniac's list, so there's at least two of us.

[rdrivera2005]

I am not sure this is the right play Maniac, but let's do it.

##vote Chaqa

His exchange with Kgray and his reads evolution seems anything but town.

In fact I don't mind killing him today and let Maniac power for another day.

I mightve actually been wrong about Rdrivera. So little he says resonates this game. The only standout thing he's done has been to be upset about HR, but he'd probably do that as scum as well since its such an easy stance.

I can say the same about you. If you are really town and voted HR I will be disappointed.
And now that Chaqa start to get some traction you start to defend him. I can't see a universe were both Chaqa and Ghug are town.

[TheMadMonarch]

What makes you say this?

Because I thought it was a good idea, and no-one else seems to think so.

I am specifically voting for Chaqa because he is on Maniac's list, so there's at least two of us.

Oh. Your posts gave me the vibe that you weren't for the plan.

[rdrivera2005]

I thought you’d resigned from the stupid committee. At this rate they’ll make you life president

Ah, I see. You must select your target before your death.

I'm sure I was in a game once where the Vengeful got to select a kill *after* they died. Mind you, it was a specific town role in that setup so I guess this is different...


"You are the Vengeful. During the day phase, you may select a target. If you do, when you are eliminated that player will also be eliminated with you."

Hmmmm.

wait, it doesnt work on nightkills? then claiming it was probably even more stupid.

Were not lynching maniac

Why you think it didn't work on nightkills? A night kill is an elimination I think.

[Jamiet99uk]

Ah, I see. You must select your target before your death.

I'm sure I was in a game once where the Vengeful got to select a kill *after* they died. Mind you, it was a specific town role in that setup so I guess this is different...


"You are the Vengeful. During the day phase, you may select a target. If you do, when you are eliminated that player will also be eliminated with you."

Hmmmm.

wait, it doesnt work on nightkills? then claiming it was probably even more stupid.

Were not lynching maniac

Why you think it didn't work on nightkills? A night kill is an elimination I think.

Hmmmm.

##CALL GM:

1. If a Vengeful picks a target during Day X, and is then nightkilled by the Mafia on a later night (either the immediately following night, or a later one), does the Vengeful's target still die at that point?

2. If the answer to (1) would normally be "yes", does this change if the Vengeful is Roleblocked on the night of the NK?

3. If the answer to (1) is "yes" and someone dies at night due to the Vengeful, can that person's death be prevented by the Faith Healer's save?

[Jamiet99uk]

Because I thought it was a good idea, and no-one else seems to think so.

I am specifically voting for Chaqa because he is on Maniac's list, so there's at least two of us.

Oh. Your posts gave me the vibe that you weren't for the plan.

I think Maniac is scum.

But I also think that Scum!Maniac would include one fellow Scum on that list, and my strongest scumread in that group is now Chaqa.

[TheMadMonarch]

I am specifically voting for Chaqa because he is on Maniac's list, so there's at least two of us.

Oh. Your posts gave me the vibe that you weren't for the plan.

I think Maniac is scum.

But I also think that Scum!Maniac would include one fellow Scum on that list, and my strongest scumread in that group is now Chaqa.

I disagree on the first part, But your line of reasoning follows.

[Vecna]

Ah, I see. You must select your target before your death.

I'm sure I was in a game once where the Vengeful got to select a kill *after* they died. Mind you, it was a specific town role in that setup so I guess this is different...


"You are the Vengeful. During the day phase, you may select a target. If you do, when you are eliminated that player will also be eliminated with you."

Hmmmm.

wait, it doesnt work on nightkills? then claiming it was probably even more stupid.

Were not lynching maniac

Why you think it didn't work on nightkills? A night kill is an elimination I think.

is it? With all the random terminology being used these days I have no idea if elimination is just a generic term for dying, or whether its just a replacement term for being democratically elected.

[damo666]

wait, it doesnt work on nightkills? then claiming it was probably even more stupid.

Were not lynching maniac

No, apparently what happens is, during the Day phase, while they are still alive, the Vengeful picks a target. Then if, that day, the Vengeful is [hanged], then the target dies too.

So for example if Maniac picks you, and then we vote to kill Maniac, you would die as well.

My interpretation is the target dies whenever and however Vengeful is eliminated. Ie including NK