M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

[Nanook]

I don't mind if you take me out.

Hate this post

story of today. several people that go "I dont care if you vote me, im not doing shit" *votes pop in* - "oh im here now to do the bare minimum, please dont lynch me guys, look I did a think with summit, im totally town".

So freaking annoying.

Yeah how fucking dare I play the game when I have time to. So rude of me.

[bozotheclown]

How do you interpret D2 voting now?

I am not sure what you are asking. Obviously a lot of players voted for BunnyGo at some point, and they were either wrong about him or knew he was not scum (although the primary mafia team could have thought he was the traitor).

You said we should verify if Bunny's claim was true so we'd know how to interpret the D2 voting. So does knowing Bunny was town change how you look at D2 voting?

Yes, in that now I look at D2 knowing votes for BunnyGo were votes for town.

[bozotheclown]

I think bozo's D1 looks slightly worse than seth's D1.

##vote bozo

OK, but what does this mean about Donny's D1?

It has nothing to do with Donny. I was feeling snarky so I imitated you.

That was mostly meant to be a joke.

[Durga]

Bozo? Joking? Without being prompted?? Is he broken?? Did I break him by forcing him to joke marry me that one time???

[Hellenic Riot]

Now let's go through on what Bozo has done *since* D1 when it comes to having any reads whatsoever:

D2:
Page 97: He gives a pretty short case on Donny Dude consisting of the following "I think Donny's D1 voting looks the most suspicious.

There was a significant amount of time where Donny was a top wagon along with summit. During this time, he tried to help build wagons on Tom and Nanook but never voted for summit. Donny later voted for damo when damo was leading summit 4-3, then when summit had retaken the lead from damo, Donny switched to Maniac. Despite choosing all of these votes over summit, Donny never mentioned summit until EOD, and the reasons he gave for these votes were not particularly strong:"

+ Four quotes, which I'll cut out to make this readable.

Page 103: This is followed up when TrPrado questions him on it with a bit more detail:

"I only saw two mentions of summit by Donny D1, and not until EOD. I think Donny not mentioning summit most of the day while voting for a number of his counter wagons looks more suspicious than those more openly defending summit.

Donny's first mention of summit was 17 minutes before EOD:
Donny did not mention summit again until after Chaqa's claim"


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Page 104 then has the following case on seth:

seth's D1 looks almost as suspicious as Donny's D1. seth never gave a reason why he did not want to vote for summit, but actively pushed damo and Maniac.

seth was the first vote for damo but he knew there was interest in damo, and damo became the lead wagon 30 minutes after seth's vote.

damo was well behind by the time seth changed his vote, so commenting the he was "feeling a little better about damo" was not really necessary. Also, his reasoning for voting for Maniac was questionable, since Maniac only said "hi" twice, and that was in response to ghug and TrPrado, yet seth indicated he had just reread Maniac's posts.

Finally, when it was looking likely summit would be the kill, seth seemed to hedge on his lack of a summit read

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Finally, on P123 he changes his vote to Seth:

"Of the players who never voted for summit before Chaqa's claim, I find Donny and seth the most suspicious for the reasons I have already gone into. Basically, they both pursued multiple alternate wagons to summit with little mention of summit.

I am going to be offline most of the day, although I hope to back for EOD. Since Donny is down to 2 votes, I am going to move my vote to seth."

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These are the *only* two reads he has given at any point since EoD1. He has given no analysis whatsoever on anyone or anything else. The rest of his posts are either one-liners replying to people, or meta discussions on old games (which is an excellent excuse to post without actually talking about the current one).

There is no analysis. No theory-crafting. No presence at all. And most of all, there is no townieness anywhere.

[worcej]

K the post where maniac complains about PR's outting themselves for no reason to get killed by 3p strikes me as incredibly fake. Firstly we've only had 2 PR's outted, secondly there's no evidence they were killed by 3p over mafia, thirdly it's hardly a thing to pretend game quitting over

I echo these thoughts - I did find it weird he freaked out about someone stating they have an item...

[Hellenic Riot]

On the bright side, Bozo's actually hear now, so maybe he can finally give us some reads, thoughts, or analyses.

[ghug]

Speaking of people only showing up when there's pressure, did Moscow really leave again?

[bozotheclown]

I do feel like Summit was scummy enough that voting him is null.
With Prado, Bunny, Chaqa, and Rdrivera all being town, it's almost certain at this point that Summit was bussed.

Players at this point who weren't reasonably influential in the summit kill are
Maniac (counterwagon)
Seth
Donny
Worcej
Damo
Vecna

So unless all our scum is in there, summit was bussed

I agree someone was likely bussing summit, but I still think there is scum in your list.

[Nanook]

Both flash and Nanook did just the bare minimum to dissuade us from them being the lead contenders, and then vanished again?

I’m a busy guy and I lose track of this site sometimes, chill

[Hellenic Riot]

Speaking of people only showing up when there's pressure, did Moscow really leave again?

Yes, but Bozo showed up!

[Nanook]

Donny, do you know anything about mafiascum?

Yes, because I have been playing over there. And am in two games there too at the moment.

Big mistake tbh

[bozotheclown]

also, traitor/3p

You seem to be justifying a lot of scumreads based on the fact that they could be the traitor/3p. That doesn't seem like the best way to scumhunt to me.

Wut? I called out Bozo as a likely 3P. Thats the only mention ive made of 3p/traitor afaik? definately as a justification for a scumread.

And here im not even using it as justification to scumread him, just to further weaken his lame argument.

Why do you think I would play differently as 3P than as town?

[Maniac]

HR, I agree flash won't give us info, but how else do we get info on the slot? He's basically made it clear he's not going to start posting.

I'm not necessarily opposed to eliminating him later (though as I don't scumread him, he's hardly my top choice there) - But I think that the benefit of a gunshot in particular is that scum can't discuss how to react & plan what to do next, because it isn't the night phase. A gunshot is a rare chance to get unfiltered scum reactions which haven't been planned as a whole team - Using it on flash is a huge waste.

Hmmmm - you seem to know that scum haven't recruited the traitor which would give them a daychat. How could you know that if you're not scum?

[ghug]

HR, I agree flash won't give us info, but how else do we get info on the slot? He's basically made it clear he's not going to start posting.

I'm not necessarily opposed to eliminating him later (though as I don't scumread him, he's hardly my top choice there) - But I think that the benefit of a gunshot in particular is that scum can't discuss how to react & plan what to do next, because it isn't the night phase. A gunshot is a rare chance to get unfiltered scum reactions which haven't been planned as a whole team - Using it on flash is a huge waste.

Hmmmm - you seem to know that scum haven't recruited the traitor which would give them a daychat. How could you know that if you're not scum?

Should we just kill Maniac?

[Hellenic Riot]

I'm not necessarily opposed to eliminating him later (though as I don't scumread him, he's hardly my top choice there) - But I think that the benefit of a gunshot in particular is that scum can't discuss how to react & plan what to do next, because it isn't the night phase. A gunshot is a rare chance to get unfiltered scum reactions which haven't been planned as a whole team - Using it on flash is a huge waste.

Hmmmm - you seem to know that scum haven't recruited the traitor which would give them a daychat. How could you know that if you're not scum?

Should we just kill Maniac?

Also getting tempting

[bozotheclown]

I seriously don't know how you can think I bussed summit from my first message on the first day.

Considering you have typically been voting for summit with you first D1 post lately, I think you could easily do that to look like you are town.

[Maniac]

I suppose that's what I get for not reading the roles properly

What did you think was the pay-off for recruiting the traitor? Serious question, I don't always read the set-up closely first day, but we're well into the game now and even I knew what the traitor does.

[MoscowFleet]

Speaking of people only showing up when there's pressure, did Moscow really leave again?

I'm here, relax. Maniac I think is 99% not scum.

[bozotheclown]

Anyway, seeing as Bozo's response since finding out there's a gun has been to disappear into the aether and go so far under the radar he's turning into flash, I think it's about time the ##vote Bozo wagon got going again.

I do not know what you think that has to do with a gun, but I posted a number of times after Tom claimed to have a gun when I was online last night. I have been busy today but I am now trying to catch up before Tom's deadline.