M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

[ghug]

K the post where maniac complains about PR's outting themselves for no reason to get killed by 3p strikes me as incredibly fake. Firstly we've only had 2 PR's outted, secondly there's no evidence they were killed by 3p over mafia, thirdly it's hardly a thing to pretend game quitting over

There's a third PR dead...

[seth24c]

More importantly, Vecna, given your two posts linking my flip of my read on you to something I'd be doing if Seth were my partner, why are you not pushing Seth at all and why is he still so far down your list of suspicious people?

It is interesting that vecna has alternatively had suspicion of me and defended me. I am inclined to read that as town but I just can’t shake the feeling it is nefarious.

[ghug]

Do you all just avoid me when I'm actually around or what

Why is the massive amount of catching up you've repeatedly said you intend to do predicated on other people being around at the time you do it?

I can't do that rn bc I'm on my phone so that's not the point

I've played the entire game from my phone.

[Vecna]

This is pretty much my poe pool for scum now. I townread pretty much everyone else, or have reasons to be ok with them.

Pretty big suspicion:
Durga
Hellenic Riot
damo666
flash2015

Maniac
Nanook

seth24c
(worcej)
Low'ish suspicion

feeling pretty good about these reads.

Aside from the huge inconsistencies on how much you scumread Nanook, which seems to peak and trough like a heart monitor, do you actually have any reasoning whatsoever for why Durga is your top scumread and yet the most you've managed to push her on is for being absent - whilst immediately clarifying that that isn't Alignment Indicative?

The top 4 are in no particular order. And why would I be pushing her now while she promises to do a bunch of stuff in the second 24h of this day? Its not like her story of being busy with a ton of shit after she's just passed the bar is that implausible.

If theres even a small chance of her being town and becoming useful, theres plenty of lynches ill push for before hers.

[Durga]

K the post where maniac complains about PR's outting themselves for no reason to get killed by 3p strikes me as incredibly fake. Firstly we've only had 2 PR's outted, secondly there's no evidence they were killed by 3p over mafia, thirdly it's hardly a thing to pretend game quitting over

There's a third PR dead...

OK but how was rdr outted before he died? Did you even read maniacs post?

[ghug]

I just am confused why you're mafclearing bozo for expecting bunny to flip scum but not HR

HR is maybe the best player on the site at faking that shit, to be fair.

Since when do you compliment my play?

I fearkill you like every time I'm scum.

[Vecna]

More importantly, Vecna, given your two posts linking my flip of my read on you to something I'd be doing if Seth were my partner, why are you not pushing Seth at all and why is he still so far down your list of suspicious people?

Because you wouldnt just be doing that if seth is your partner, theres plenty of reasons why Seth could be doing it.

I think seth is town. I think most of his posts this game have been town motivated. He still makes the list because I felt mostly similar in the first version of this game and I was wrong then too.

His play is advancing now, but so is the game. Im keeping an eye on him. But I have no interest in pushing him.

[kgray]

Yes, the bunny thing I think I believe on not seeing it on the whole pr thing. Although the amount of changed votes does concern me a bit at eod.

Donny what concerned you about this?

The fact that your vote changed a lot at eod. It just was not stable and maybe seemed like you were looking for a wagon.
Looking at your iso that day indicates you sr all three to some degree.
Kgray, what do you make of the fact that two of the three main D2 wagons are town?

What do you mean by "looking for a wagon" though? I did scumread all three of them and thought they were all good options. Bunny was my first choice until he claimed. My next choice was seth, but Chaqa wanted Prado and I sheeped him.

I don't get what you think is scummy about it? Why would scum be more likely to change their vote around like that than town?

I don't make too much out of the fact that 2 of the 3 wagons were town. They did scummy things D1, so I understood the pushes on them. It's possible that scum helped push them, but it's also entirely possible they sat back and watched.

[ghug]

K the post where maniac complains about PR's outting themselves for no reason to get killed by 3p strikes me as incredibly fake. Firstly we've only had 2 PR's outted, secondly there's no evidence they were killed by 3p over mafia, thirdly it's hardly a thing to pretend game quitting over

There's a third PR dead...

OK but how was rdr outted before he died? Did you even read maniacs post?

His (seriously flawed) point is that we've narrowed the things that have to be guessed. I don't see any reason to think he's implying that the riddler has already killed.

[kgray]

Oh no I have two votes on me. Whatsoever will I do.

Another thing that I really don't like. It's pretty late for shitposting and this just feels like scum trying to emphasize that they're not afraid of being a wagon.

[Vecna]

More importantly, Vecna, given your two posts linking my flip of my read on you to something I'd be doing if Seth were my partner, why are you not pushing Seth at all and why is he still so far down your list of suspicious people?

It is interesting that vecna has alternatively had suspicion of me and defended me. I am inclined to read that as town but I just can’t shake the feeling it is nefarious.

I think youre town. Ive thought so the entire game.

The suspicion is there because you've proven to be capable of fooling me. Its small, but because of it youre not at the level of some of my other townreads.

[ghug]

More importantly, Vecna, given your two posts linking my flip of my read on you to something I'd be doing if Seth were my partner, why are you not pushing Seth at all and why is he still so far down your list of suspicious people?

It is interesting that vecna has alternatively had suspicion of me and defended me. I am inclined to read that as town but I just can’t shake the feeling it is nefarious.

Why would defending you be town indicative?

Why has interest in daykilling you evaporated?

[Hellenic Riot]

like, im pretty sure either you or HR is scum. your d1 looks comically bad, almost to the extent im questioning whether youd allow that to happen as scum.

How is it that in the middle of pressuring Damo and talking up reasons for why Damo is scum, you threw your vote on me instead?

My reason for flipping my read on you, while predicated on Seth's alignment, was also made entirely on the basis that Bunny was definitely scum, and given that's not the case I'm now back to being strongly inclined to eliminate you instead

Or maybe it was based on the fact you were pretty sure seth was going to be the next mislynch, and you already knew id come out looking pretty good for defending that slot?

Now that suddenly everyone is flipping their read on the slot and it is no longer a plausible lynch you need another target.

Or maybe you were pretty happy with me defending your scummate Seth, but now that everyone is flipping their read, you no longer need me to defend your buddy?

Scenario's, scenario's

Or maybe youre town thats just annoyed that im once again coming after you and you dont realize your play is different and your process is just not the same as it usually is and that my reasoning is internally valid to me.

Given I also defended seth *in the exact same post* as that read, suggesting I townread him because I found a significant part of his wagon suspicious - And given that the next day's vote was also 100% guaranteed to be *BunnyGo*, not seth, I feel like this post is just one gigantic crock of shit

[Durga]

There's a third PR dead...

OK but how was rdr outted before he died? Did you even read maniacs post?

His (seriously flawed) point is that we've narrowed the things that have to be guessed. I don't see any reason to think he's implying that the riddler has already killed.

Yeah, and I'm saying it's a load of shit because we've only had two outted PR's so his anger felt fake af

[Donny Dude]

Donny what concerned you about this?

The fact that your vote changed a lot at eod. It just was not stable and maybe seemed like you were looking for a wagon.
Looking at your iso that day indicates you sr all three to some degree.
Kgray, what do you make of the fact that two of the three main D2 wagons are town?

What do you mean by "looking for a wagon" though? I did scumread all three of them and thought they were all good options. Bunny was my first choice until he claimed. My next choice was seth, but Chaqa wanted Prado and I sheeped him.

I don't get what you think is scummy about it? Why would scum be more likely to change their vote around like that than town?

I don't make too much out of the fact that 2 of the 3 wagons were town. They did scummy things D1, so I understood the pushes on them. It's possible that scum helped push them, but it's also entirely possible they sat back and watched.

Alright, that's fair.

[ghug]

OK but how was rdr outted before he died? Did you even read maniacs post?

His (seriously flawed) point is that we've narrowed the things that have to be guessed. I don't see any reason to think he's implying that the riddler has already killed.

Yeah, and I'm saying it's a load of shit because we've only had two outted PR's so his anger felt fake af

So we largely agree but I still can't shake the feeling that you're wrong and the accompanying urge to argue with you about it.

[Hellenic Riot]

This is pretty much my poe pool for scum now. I townread pretty much everyone else, or have reasons to be ok with them.

Pretty big suspicion:
Durga
Hellenic Riot
damo666
flash2015

Maniac
Nanook

seth24c
(worcej)
Low'ish suspicion

feeling pretty good about these reads.

Aside from the huge inconsistencies on how much you scumread Nanook, which seems to peak and trough like a heart monitor, do you actually have any reasoning whatsoever for why Durga is your top scumread and yet the most you've managed to push her on is for being absent - whilst immediately clarifying that that isn't Alignment Indicative?

The top 4 are in no particular order. And why would I be pushing her now while she promises to do a bunch of stuff in the second 24h of this day? Its not like her story of being busy with a ton of shit after she's just passed the bar is that implausible.

If theres even a small chance of her being town and becoming useful, theres plenty of lynches ill push for before hers.

That's a lovely dodge of the real question about what your scumread of her is actually based on

[kgray]

Even with the chance that BunnyGo's claim is true, I think it is better to verify it today so we know how to interpret the D2 voting.

How do you interpret D2 voting now?

I am not sure what you are asking. Obviously a lot of players voted for BunnyGo at some point, and they were either wrong about him or knew he was not scum (although the primary mafia team could have thought he was the traitor).

You said we should verify if Bunny's claim was true so we'd know how to interpret the D2 voting. So does knowing Bunny was town change how you look at D2 voting?

[Durga]

Idk what to make of Vecna and HR bickering all game but it feels like a waste of time

[Hellenic Riot]

Idk what to make of Vecna and HR bickering all game but it feels like a waste of time

It hasn't been all game, and if you'd actually caught up you'd know there was a solid 48ish hour period where we were townreading each other, til Bunny flipped town.