M59 - Duck Season? - Game Thread

[Vecna]

weirdly enough I also think Kgray is finally town. There seems to be a bit more fluidity and a process. I see what others said that played with her as town, and im imagining or observing some subtle differences in the approach.

Rdrivera, would you agree?

[kgray]

Can you explain your comment about summits scum game and why you think he’s town?

Summit was my scumbuddy last game and let's just say he struggled.... No offense, summit. But he hardly had any reads and he lurked like crazy. In the scumchat he was really active and he was obviously paying attention to the game but he was afraid to give any thoughts in the main thread. Here, he's actually stating opinions and contributing to discussion. He's seems much more comfortable.

Was he given feedback? In scum chat? After game?

I mean, you can go read it if you want. But yeah, we talked in scumchat about how much he was lurking and I said I couldn't believe he was getting away with it. And after the game I blatantly told him I'd vote for him if he played that way again and I was town. But I just don't think this kind of thing is easy to change, even if you get feedback. His discomfort level last game was palpable, and I don't think that's something you can just switch off.

[BunnyGo]

I'm still rather dizzied by this game--so much text to sift through with only the barest actual commitment to action (i.e. the handful of day votes). Reminds me of spring 1901 of a high roller game. With no real experience of anyone in this chat besides the odd diplomacy game or any voting patterns in this game to go off, I'm approaching it like a hockey ref approaches a scrum--just grab someone who looks like they're causing trouble and punish accordingly (a hockey ref would likely grab one from each team, but roll with me). Tom and Bunny's disagreement has caught my attention, as has summit and bozotheclown. Not nearly enough evidence to make a solid claim that any of these folks are mafia, but enough to votekill, wascally world that we live in.

What does "causing trouble" mean to you? And why did those players catch your attention?

Though I didn't think it plausible at first, Tom might really have been Taz-signaling, and I will be keeping a close eye on his voting record as the game goes on. And the other three have just been throwing large amounts of crap around at various players (perhaps with this I am now joining their ranks, oops). I would prefer a game in which accusations are explained a little more thoroughly instead of kicking up a storm for the hell of it. Also, with all the talk of how bad "lurkers" are, there has got to be some really loudmouth scum out there.

It’s generally “bad” for town to lurk. There’s no trail of thought process. No ability to see if they knew things too early. It’s also considered quite hard to convincingly hunt while posting a lot. I don’t know why.

[Hellenic Riot]

Okay in all seriousness, I have no real scum reads yet.

##vote foodcoats

i'm willing to give summit a bit more time to blossom. he should be pretty easy to read if he's scum. his meta was day and night.

happy to vote macca too, since he hasn't actually changed.

macca I expect you to be online EoD since last time you said you could actually do it you just chose not to bc you're scum

Given the discussion after EOG last game, where you seemed to agree that hipfiring votes at lurkers isn't likely to pay-off for town, how come you are now doing exactly that?

Or is there another reason to get Food?

[Fluminator]

opinion of MF, flum?

Yeah, I can see it. He seems overly explanatory about his actions and votes, and pushing for a bozo vote is really bad.

[bozotheclown]

Ok...I’m just impressed that’s our only wagon. Hey should we do a bozo special post your top reads list?

Sure, you want townreads or scumreads?

Bozo? Thoughts? Maybe top 4 Town reads?

I will go along with whatever you want to ask for.

[Fluminator]

Okay in all seriousness, I have no real scum reads yet.

##vote foodcoats

i'm willing to give summit a bit more time to blossom. he should be pretty easy to read if he's scum. his meta was day and night.

happy to vote macca too, since he hasn't actually changed.

macca I expect you to be online EoD since last time you said you could actually do it you just chose not to bc you're scum

Given the discussion after EOG last game, where you seemed to agree that hipfiring votes at lurkers isn't likely to pay-off for town, how come you are now doing exactly that?

Or is there another reason to get Food?

I don't want to bog the game in a theory discussion, but voting lurkers day 1 is very good.

[Hellenic Riot]

Okay in all seriousness, I have no real scum reads yet.

##vote foodcoats

i'm willing to give summit a bit more time to blossom. he should be pretty easy to read if he's scum. his meta was day and night.

happy to vote macca too, since he hasn't actually changed.

macca I expect you to be online EoD since last time you said you could actually do it you just chose not to bc you're scum

Given the discussion after EOG last game, where you seemed to agree that hipfiring votes at lurkers isn't likely to pay-off for town, how come you are now doing exactly that?

Or is there another reason to get Food?

I don't want to bog the game in a theory discussion, but voting lurkers day 1 is very good.

I wasn't asking you, because you weren't part of that post-game discussion - You can go and read it if you like though, we already did all the theory talk there.

[Vecna]

durga?

[kgray]

Okay in all seriousness, I have no real scum reads yet.

##vote foodcoats

i'm willing to give summit a bit more time to blossom. he should be pretty easy to read if he's scum. his meta was day and night.

happy to vote macca too, since he hasn't actually changed.

macca I expect you to be online EoD since last time you said you could actually do it you just chose not to bc you're scum

Given the discussion after EOG last game, where you seemed to agree that hipfiring votes at lurkers isn't likely to pay-off for town, how come you are now doing exactly that?

Or is there another reason to get Food?

I don't want to bog the game in a theory discussion, but voting lurkers day 1 is very good.

Especially if they're someone who is normally quite active D1 as town.

[foodcoats]

The bozo wagon is very silly. bozo is lord and saviour of weird entrances.

I would sheep bozo because he’s great but Tom’s Taz soft is on balance more likely town, so bozo is likely wrong.

damo gave me a weird vibe and I don’t like unvotes. I fear classing damo too early but he may be scum here.

Summit I think is town for already pointing out bozo’s true meta.

worcej is spamming and I am resisting spamkilling.

Durga put in effort to make multiquotes from multiple authors in the same post but without advancing a major narrative which looks like scum tryharding.

Typical BunnyGo.

goldfinger gets a long leer.

Flum and Vecna seem like Flum and Vecna.

Yavu, HR, Macca, TrPrado and seth I’ve got nothing.

I like hthe for sincerity.

kgray votes me for lurking which is unrepresentative of me. Is that scummy?

Flash feels slightly too active to be townflash.

MoscowFleet should be “Fleet Moscow” or “F Mos” and the technical impossibility is too smarmy for my taste but otherwise seems town.

##VOTE damo666

[bozotheclown]

Is the food wagon just for lurking? Do people care to state other opinions?

In my opinion, the foodcoats wagon is a waste of time. At some point foodcoats will show up and post a lot, and everyone will move their vote. I think flash or Macca would be better choices for anyone interested in voting for a low information slot, they are more likely to end D1 with little to go on based on their history.

[bozotheclown]

Is the food wagon just for lurking? Do people care to state other opinions?

In my opinion, the foodcoats wagon is a waste of time. At some point foodcoats will show up and post a lot, and everyone will move their vote. I think flash or Macca would be better choices for anyone interested in voting for a low information slot, they are more likely to end D1 with little to go on based on their history.

Cross post, he showed up already.

[Vecna]

Given the discussion after EOG last game, where you seemed to agree that hipfiring votes at lurkers isn't likely to pay-off for town, how come you are now doing exactly that?

Or is there another reason to get Food?

I don't want to bog the game in a theory discussion, but voting lurkers day 1 is very good.

I wasn't asking you, because you weren't part of that post-game discussion - You can go and read it if you like though, we already did all the theory talk there.

Theres a bunch of players that have wildly deteriotating capability to talk a convincing storm as scum though. Not sure id put food in tbat category, but my gut says a comparison of his scum va town game range will show he is prone to talk a lot less as scum.

[BunnyGo]

Summit was my scumbuddy last game and let's just say he struggled.... No offense, summit. But he hardly had any reads and he lurked like crazy. In the scumchat he was really active and he was obviously paying attention to the game but he was afraid to give any thoughts in the main thread. Here, he's actually stating opinions and contributing to discussion. He's seems much more comfortable.

Was he given feedback? In scum chat? After game?

I mean, you can go read it if you want. But yeah, we talked in scumchat about how much he was lurking and I said I couldn't believe he was getting away with it. And after the game I blatantly told him I'd vote for him if he played that way again and I was town. But I just don't think this kind of thing is easy to change, even if you get feedback. His discomfort level last game was palpable, and I don't think that's something you can just switch off.

Thoughts on Seth so far?

[bozotheclown]

The bozo wagon is very silly. bozo is lord and saviour of weird entrances.

I would sheep bozo because he’s great but Tom’s Taz soft is on balance more likely town, so bozo is likely wrong.

damo gave me a weird vibe and I don’t like unvotes. I fear classing damo too early but he may be scum here.

Summit I think is town for already pointing out bozo’s true meta.

worcej is spamming and I am resisting spamkilling.

Durga put in effort to make multiquotes from multiple authors in the same post but without advancing a major narrative which looks like scum tryharding.

Typical BunnyGo.

goldfinger gets a long leer.

Flum and Vecna seem like Flum and Vecna.

Yavu, HR, Macca, TrPrado and seth I’ve got nothing.

I like hthe for sincerity.

kgray votes me for lurking which is unrepresentative of me. Is that scummy?

Flash feels slightly too active to be townflash.

MoscowFleet should be “Fleet Moscow” or “F Mos” and the technical impossibility is too smarmy for my taste but otherwise seems town.

##VOTE damo666

If Tom is scum, I do not think is the traitor. Tom claims he was unaware of the traitor name. If that is true, his post is NAI, and if not true, it is suspicious.

[Hellenic Riot]

The bozo wagon is very silly. bozo is lord and saviour of weird entrances.

I would sheep bozo because he’s great but Tom’s Taz soft is on balance more likely town, so bozo is likely wrong.

damo gave me a weird vibe and I don’t like unvotes. I fear classing damo too early but he may be scum here.

Summit I think is town for already pointing out bozo’s true meta.

worcej is spamming and I am resisting spamkilling.

Durga put in effort to make multiquotes from multiple authors in the same post but without advancing a major narrative which looks like scum tryharding.

Typical BunnyGo.

goldfinger gets a long leer.

Flum and Vecna seem like Flum and Vecna.

Yavu, HR, Macca, TrPrado and seth I’ve got nothing.

I like hthe for sincerity.

kgray votes me for lurking which is unrepresentative of me. Is that scummy?

Flash feels slightly too active to be townflash.

MoscowFleet should be “Fleet Moscow” or “F Mos” and the technical impossibility is too smarmy for my taste but otherwise seems town.

##VOTE damo666

Man, how inactive does flash have to be as town to make five one line posts look like 'too active to be town'?

Is it unrepresentative of you? Other people seem to be giving the impression you're much more active as town, why does only kgray deserve a call out there?

[damo666]

After food's long post I am happy leaving my vote where it is. He fears classing me too early and then votes for me. How does that make sense?

[BunnyGo]

Sure, you want townreads or scumreads?

Bozo? Thoughts? Maybe top 4 Town reads?

I will go along with whatever you want to ask for.

How about top for town?

Right now mine are:

Flum, Vecna, TRPrado, Rdr

[kgray]

Is the food wagon just for lurking? Do people care to state other opinions?

In my opinion, the foodcoats wagon is a waste of time. At some point foodcoats will show up and post a lot, and everyone will move their vote. I think flash or Macca would be better choices for anyone interested in voting for a low information slot, they are more likely to end D1 with little to go on based on their history.

fwiw, I'm not voting food because its' a low info slot. I'm voting him because this low level of activity (so far, I see he's just arrived) is crazy different from what I think of as his town game.