M1015 - Super Mafioso Bros

[bo_sox48]

Everyone except bo_sox and kgray voted for HR at some point D2. If a town player was leading the votes 5-0 early, I would expect at least 1 of the 3 scum to stay off the wagon. I was asking HR if he thought that also, or if he thought all 3 scum could have voted for him D2. bo_sox immediately jumped in and called the question "terrible", and then Jamie agreed with bo_sox.

As far as I can tell, bo_sox ignored my follow up to his response:

How dense do you have to be to be told by three different people that a question you asked is unconscionably idiotic and actually continue to ask the same question as if you're the smart one in the room?

What was the obvious answer then?

Go read the thread and stop annoying me.

[Hellenic Riot]

Alright Bozo, riddle me this:

You're spending the whole day trying to find the *scum-motivation* for HB's actions. This is putting the horse before the cart. Try it the other way around - What are the *town-motivations*?

HB spent the entirety of D2 saying I was scum with Jamie - and pushing me much harder than Jamie. He however voted Jamie while doing this - apparently to keep us both as options. I pointed out at the time (repeatedly, but I'm sure you failed to notice) how this was just a blatant move to keep Jamie & I at each other's throats by solidifying the options as me vs him, but sure, there can be town motivations for doing that.

However, the only time HB mentioned Summit as scum was in a pool of people for where the other one 'probably was'. HB comes in toward the EoD. He sees that Jamie has not taken off as a wagon, but I am the lead wagon and the only other wagon with more than one vote is summit. WHERE IS HIS TOWN MOTIVATION FOR VOTING SUMMIT? He thinks I am scum. He has stated so for the entire day. He sees his top scumread as the lead wagon. *Why does he not vote it?*. What possible logic is there to conclude that he should not vote his top scumread but instead he should vote someone he's barely mentioned?

There is none. He was not using his vote to find the scum. And therefore, I do not give a flying fuck if you think I've spent the entire game bussing him, because HB is scum no matter what, and he dies today. The End.

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[Jamiet99uk]

Hamilton voting for summit when he did D2 looks like he was trying to save HR, yet HR took it as HB trying to set up town vs. town for the kill, although he did not explain the implied town read of summit. The more I look at it, I think HR bussing HB is a real possibility. A HR/HB/Jamie scum team would explain some of the odd voting and interactions between them.

Please detail my "odd interactions" with Hamilton Brian?

Who are your strongest reads?

Vecna for town
Jamie, HR as scum

It’s not much

Could you explain your thought process during your vote moves at EoD?

I thought my erratic pattern might have forced scum to move to ensure a D1 kill as opposed to ending in a tie. As I reflect on it, I think a tie would have been a better outcome. I think...

That's it?

That's what you've got?

Hah.

[bo_sox48]

Did you really just say that Jamie's odd interactions with HB are a) a sequence of quotes that don't include Jamie, and b) Jamie asking him a question that he answers strangely?

[kgray]

Hamilton did say he scumread Summit, though.

He was scumreading about 6 people.

Well, sort of. He said he thought it's you, HR and someone of macca/summit/rivera. He never gave a reason for a summit scumread and hardly mentions him otherwise. So to end on summit when HR was a close option just doesn't make sense.

Why do I feel like you're bussing?

No idea. Why do you feel like I'm busing?

[bo_sox48]

What a low effort crock of shit game you're playing bozo

[Jamiet99uk]

@Bozo: How is that second one even an "odd interaction"?? I asked a perfectly reasonable question and Hamilton Brian gave a weak answer, sure, but that's not my fault and is not a good reason to scumread me, which apparently you do.

[bo_sox48]

Well, sort of. He said he thought it's you, HR and someone of macca/summit/rivera. He never gave a reason for a summit scumread and hardly mentions him otherwise. So to end on summit when HR was a close option just doesn't make sense.

Why do I feel like you're bussing?

No idea. Why do you feel like I'm busing?

Probably because you've moved to Hamilton at the end of each day so far while voting someone else all day, like you really just want to be on his wagon.

Why did you scumread HB before his dumbassery voting summit?

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE BOZO because if he's town with me I don't want to win anymore.

[Hellenic Riot]

Alright Bozo, I've decided to put the game into a medium you might understand:

https://i.gyazo.com/4b3992f4b9957db9a9c ... 57d41e.png

[Jamiet99uk]

Engaging with Bozo in this frame of mind is like having sex with a dictionary.

There are a lot of words but the overall experience is painful and unsatisfying.

[Jamiet99uk]

Alright Bozo, I've decided to put the game into a medium you might understand:

https://i.gyazo.com/4b3992f4b9957db9a9c ... 57d41e.png

HahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh my god that's making me laugh more than it should

[bo_sox48]

Vecna has been dethroned as the king of MS Paint

[bozotheclown]

Alright Bozo, riddle me this:

You're spending the whole day trying to find the *scum-motivation* for HB's actions. This is putting the horse before the cart. Try it the other way around - What are the *town-motivations*?

HB spent the entirety of D2 saying I was scum with Jamie - and pushing me much harder than Jamie. He however voted Jamie while doing this - apparently to keep us both as options. I pointed out at the time (repeatedly, but I'm sure you failed to notice) how this was just a blatant move to keep Jamie & I at each other's throats by solidifying the options as me vs him, but sure, there can be town motivations for doing that.

However, the only time HB mentioned Summit as scum was in a pool of people for where the other one 'probably was'. HB comes in toward the EoD. He sees that Jamie has not taken off as a wagon, but I am the lead wagon and the only other wagon with more than one vote is summit. WHERE IS HIS TOWN MOTIVATION FOR VOTING SUMMIT? He thinks I am scum. He has stated so for the entire day. He sees his top scumread as the lead wagon. *Why does he not vote it?*. What possible logic is there to conclude that he should not vote his top scumread but instead he should vote someone he's barely mentioned?

There is none. He was not using his vote to find the scum. And therefore, I do not give a flying fuck if you think I've spent the entire game bussing him, because HB is scum no matter what, and he dies today. The End.

OK, but if he is scum and you are town, he also could have just voted for you. That is why it seems he may have been trying to prevent you from being the kill at that point.

Why are you sure I failed to notice what you pointed out about HB scum reading you and Jamie when I just mentioned you, HB, and Jamie as a possible scum team based on things like that?

[Hellenic Riot]

Alright Bozo, riddle me this:

You're spending the whole day trying to find the *scum-motivation* for HB's actions. This is putting the horse before the cart. Try it the other way around - What are the *town-motivations*?

HB spent the entirety of D2 saying I was scum with Jamie - and pushing me much harder than Jamie. He however voted Jamie while doing this - apparently to keep us both as options. I pointed out at the time (repeatedly, but I'm sure you failed to notice) how this was just a blatant move to keep Jamie & I at each other's throats by solidifying the options as me vs him, but sure, there can be town motivations for doing that.

However, the only time HB mentioned Summit as scum was in a pool of people for where the other one 'probably was'. HB comes in toward the EoD. He sees that Jamie has not taken off as a wagon, but I am the lead wagon and the only other wagon with more than one vote is summit. WHERE IS HIS TOWN MOTIVATION FOR VOTING SUMMIT? He thinks I am scum. He has stated so for the entire day. He sees his top scumread as the lead wagon. *Why does he not vote it?*. What possible logic is there to conclude that he should not vote his top scumread but instead he should vote someone he's barely mentioned?

There is none. He was not using his vote to find the scum. And therefore, I do not give a flying fuck if you think I've spent the entire game bussing him, because HB is scum no matter what, and he dies today. The End.

OK, but if he is scum and you are town, he also could have just voted for you. That is why it seems he may have been trying to prevent you from being the kill at that point.

Why are you sure I failed to notice what you pointed out about HB scum reading you and Jamie when I just mentioned you, HB, and Jamie as a possible scum team based on things like that?

Because you failed to notice just about everything else.

You're not engaging with my point at the bottom - I do not care if you think I'm bussing, HB is not town under any circumstance.

[kgray]

Why do I feel like you're bussing?

No idea. Why do you feel like I'm busing?

Probably because you've moved to Hamilton at the end of each day so far while voting someone else all day, like you really just want to be on his wagon.

Why did you scumread HB before his dumbassery voting summit?

Almost none of his posts seem like they come from a town perspective. Did you read what he said about why he flipped between damo and Jamie D1? It's complete nonsense and I find it very unlikely to come from a town mindset.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Bozo: HR is already asking this but because you're not really answering it:

Do you think there's a serious possibility Hamilton Brian is town?

If so, how? Explain his votes from a town perspective?

If you're sure he's scum, why are you so reluctant to vote for him?

[bozotheclown]

The idea that both myself & HB have engaged in double-bussing for the whole game and Jamie as our partner has been on the verge of it himself is hilarious and I really wish it were true, because that's some top tier troll strats

Who is your and HB's partner then?

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE HAMILTON BRIAN because this exchange just reinforces my view that his behaviour doesn't make sense as town.

[bozotheclown]

@Bozo: How is that second one even an "odd interaction"?? I asked a perfectly reasonable question and Hamilton Brian gave a weak answer, sure, but that's not my fault and is not a good reason to scumread me, which apparently you do.

It is HB's voted and posts that make you look like his partner if he is scum.