Mafia 57 Matrix

[Jamiet99uk]

Hi Jamie, sorry that you are so agitated, you are correct in that I have no excuses lol

How come you didn't post for the entire phase, and then the moment I come in and endvote you, you suddenly have something to say?

Scum. Obvious scum.

[e.m.c^42]

I'm struck with the tinfoil that the scum isn't in our lurky/sub players but in more active posters like Tom, due to how lost the former seem to be and how...not lost the latter are despite circumstances.

[e.m.c^42]

Hi Jamie, sorry that you are so agitated, you are correct in that I have no excuses lol

How come you didn't post for the entire phase, and then the moment I come in and endvote you, you suddenly have something to say?

Scum. Obvious scum.

Recently, I have reminder set up for last 5/6 hours before phase end in case, like I did lmao

[Jamiet99uk]

Do NOT let EMC get off the hook here.

Do NOT let HR have a sudden "change of mind" and save him for a third time.

Lynch this tomato.

[Jamiet99uk]

Do NOT let EMC get off the hook here.

Do NOT let HR have a sudden "change of mind" and save him for a third time.

Vote out this tomato.

Sorry. EBWOP.

[Hamilton Brian]

@EMC, care to run that Jamie angle together? With what would you start? Vote count? Interactions with their wagons? I’ve got some time but I just need a focus.

[e.m.c^42]

@EMC, care to run that Jamie angle together? With what would you start? Vote count? Interactions with their wagons? I’ve got some time but I just need a focus.

The problem is, just about all my cases and reads are meta-based, and since no one else has really pinged anything as different from Jamie I don't know if I'm just misreading somewhere.

But I guess I'll build on previous reads and make em more detailed

[Ezio]

I'm gonna ##vote Foxcastle.

This is because I townread everyone on the wagon. It's shocking a priori that Ghug was wrong so much this game, but I believe that ppl were just scummy.

Tom looks like Tom does. I always townread him. When his townreads line up with my own, I feel very good.

IIRC Goldie was a much more lurky scum than he's been this game.


As for the actual EMC for Foxcastle, Foxcastle should have done much more by now than he has. I expect this play from EMC, not Fox.

Jamiet's play still strikes me as scummy.

BismarckAlive is my biggest townread by far though. Idk who he is, but he's gotta be town. I'd love to see him hop onto the Foxcastle wagon as well to give me a much better feeling about this whole thing.

[e.m.c^42]

But I guess I'll build on previous reads and make em more detailed

I have some reason to believe that Jamie's scumread and anger at me is played up to recall his town aggressiveness, and not all that genuine. He's mimicking Bungo's points, which he didn't really engage with when they were being made the first time around. If these are his actual thoughts why did he wait until now?

Objectively speaking I am not the most absent player this game, nor the more lurky-meta prone player, yet he doesn't get pissy at the others.

His scumread is valid enough in a general sense, considering it's based off of the logic that I've been, well, not here. However some parts don't really match up to what I know he knows of my meta. Activity is near NAI and I'm almost always calm. My reads are always soft and not absolute. These are pretty consistent things that I think anyone who's played more than a few games with me would know.

[e.m.c^42]

HB is probably my strongest townread at this point, the previous reasons of meta-difference in assertiveness combined with the fact that he's trying at this time (where for scum, it's likely easier to coast), as well as how the progression of his thoughts and what he's willing to engage looks natural.

[ghug]

I'm gonna ##vote Foxcastle.

This is because I townread everyone on the wagon. It's shocking a priori that Ghug was wrong so much this game, but I believe that ppl were just scummy.

Tom looks like Tom does. I always townread him. When his townreads line up with my own, I feel very good.

IIRC Goldie was a much more lurky scum than he's been this game.


As for the actual EMC for Foxcastle, Foxcastle should have done much more by now than he has. I expect this play from EMC, not Fox.

Jamiet's play still strikes me as scummy.

BismarckAlive is my biggest townread by far though. Idk who he is, but he's gotta be town. I'd love to see him hop onto the Foxcastle wagon as well to give me a much better feeling about this whole thing.

Have you read the whole game now?

What do you make of bo's play?

[e.m.c^42]

As for Foxc. I'm under the impression that he has two main methods of playing scum - one of which is to lurk to kingdom come and spew spreadsheets, the other to be oddly confident and to push 'scumreads' as a middling town leader. He may or may not be more prone to algorithm based actions (policy, VCA, mechs, all the spreadsheet-able stuff etc...) as well, but there's not enough recent games to say.

At first, I townread him on the basis of his play being neither confident or overly lurky, as well as him passing on the opportunity to generate empty activity from spreadsheet discussion, which I'm pretty certain he would've taken as scum.

However, his slowly increasing absence from the game kind of takes it away.

[Foxcastle]

With town's goal to be trying to coalesce on a reasonable suspect, I would expect there to be greater discussion.

Why aren't EMC and Foxcastle making an impassioned plea about why they aren't suitable wagons? Because they both are? With 5 hours to go, there's nothing.

Why aren't the replacements putting in anything? Because they're scum too?

Is Jamie scum? They've played a very engaged game up until the past 2 days, but to go quiet now?

I know I'm just throwing darts in random directions. I'm not seeing anything outstandingly suspicious in words, and the conflicts between players aren't really revealing anything to me.

Well, as I said, I've been busy and I am trying to get far enough ahead on my job to spend the next several hours playing the game. Also, Bunny's win kinda clocked the game for me. I know we still have our win condition open, but I seem to be reacting like "someone won, it wasn't me, therefore I lost, therefore the game is over" anyway.

Also, do you really think either EMC or myself can make any plea that will swing town's opinion? We're the two easiest people to kill here, which is presumably why we've been pushed for several days now.

[Foxcastle]

As for the actual EMC for Foxcastle, Foxcastle should have done much more by now than he has. I expect this play from EMC, not Fox.

I have been active up until now because I have had time to play during the day. I can't control my work assignments since Monday, and I certainly can't tell my boss that things are going to be late because I have a forum game to play.

[Foxcastle]

As for Foxc. I'm under the impression that he has two main methods of playing scum - one of which is to lurk to kingdom come and spew spreadsheets, the other to be oddly confident and to push 'scumreads' as a middling town leader. He may or may not be more prone to algorithm based actions (policy, VCA, mechs, all the spreadsheet-able stuff etc...) as well, but there's not enough recent games to say.

At first, I townread him on the basis of his play being neither confident or overly lurky, as well as him passing on the opportunity to generate empty activity from spreadsheet discussion, which I'm pretty certain he would've taken as scum.

However, his slowly increasing absence from the game kind of takes it away.

I try not to devolve to Jamiet's level is disparaging you, EMC, but you sometimes make that really hard.

[ghug]

With town's goal to be trying to coalesce on a reasonable suspect, I would expect there to be greater discussion.

Why aren't EMC and Foxcastle making an impassioned plea about why they aren't suitable wagons? Because they both are? With 5 hours to go, there's nothing.

Why aren't the replacements putting in anything? Because they're scum too?

Is Jamie scum? They've played a very engaged game up until the past 2 days, but to go quiet now?

I know I'm just throwing darts in random directions. I'm not seeing anything outstandingly suspicious in words, and the conflicts between players aren't really revealing anything to me.

Well, as I said, I've been busy and I am trying to get far enough ahead on my job to spend the next several hours playing the game. Also, Bunny's win kinda clocked the game for me. I know we still have our win condition open, but I seem to be reacting like "someone won, it wasn't me, therefore I lost, therefore the game is over" anyway.

Also, do you really think either EMC or myself can make any plea that will swing town's opinion? We're the two easiest people to kill here, which is presumably why we've been pushed for several days now.

What makes you easy to kill, to your mind? I haven't been able to get meaningful traction on you until today.

[Foxcastle]

With town's goal to be trying to coalesce on a reasonable suspect, I would expect there to be greater discussion.

Why aren't EMC and Foxcastle making an impassioned plea about why they aren't suitable wagons? Because they both are? With 5 hours to go, there's nothing.

Why aren't the replacements putting in anything? Because they're scum too?

Is Jamie scum? They've played a very engaged game up until the past 2 days, but to go quiet now?

I know I'm just throwing darts in random directions. I'm not seeing anything outstandingly suspicious in words, and the conflicts between players aren't really revealing anything to me.

Well, as I said, I've been busy and I am trying to get far enough ahead on my job to spend the next several hours playing the game. Also, Bunny's win kinda clocked the game for me. I know we still have our win condition open, but I seem to be reacting like "someone won, it wasn't me, therefore I lost, therefore the game is over" anyway.

Also, do you really think either EMC or myself can make any plea that will swing town's opinion? We're the two easiest people to kill here, which is presumably why we've been pushed for several days now.

What makes you easy to kill, to your mind? I haven't been able to get meaningful traction on you until today.

Dunno, people read me as scummy no matter my alignment. It has been a constant trend in previous games. I keep thinking that eventually people will accept it as a baseline meta, but nope.

[Foxcastle]

Am I misreading that today is MiLo?

[e.m.c^42]

As for Foxc. I'm under the impression that he has two main methods of playing scum - one of which is to lurk to kingdom come and spew spreadsheets, the other to be oddly confident and to push 'scumreads' as a middling town leader. He may or may not be more prone to algorithm based actions (policy, VCA, mechs, all the spreadsheet-able stuff etc...) as well, but there's not enough recent games to say.

At first, I townread him on the basis of his play being neither confident or overly lurky, as well as him passing on the opportunity to generate empty activity from spreadsheet discussion, which I'm pretty certain he would've taken as scum.

However, his slowly increasing absence from the game kind of takes it away.

I try not to devolve to Jamiet's level is disparaging you, EMC, but you sometimes make that really hard.

Er, do you disagree with my (admittedly shrunken to tiny) townread on you?

[e.m.c^42]

Dunno, people read me as scummy no matter my alignment. It has been a constant trend in previous games. I keep thinking that eventually people will accept it as a baseline meta, but nope.

Not quite true, iirc some games after that game we were scum together people townread you correctly. What's so foolish with what I wrote on you? I'll never learn if you don't provide details.