Mafia 57 Matrix

[ghug]

Let’s game it out shall we

14 alive

We use the AV and I get NKed, 12 alive, 7 town/5 mafia

We try to use the AV and one scum on the ship outs to stop it, I get NKed and one town dies to virus shot, 12 alive, 6 town/5 mafia/1 virus, we have a tied vote for the outed mafia and the virus, even if we win the vote it goes to 11 alive (6/4/1), two NKs make it 4/4/1, and virus/mafia win

We kill bunny today to go to 13, I get NKed and it goes to 12 alive, 7 town/5 mafia


So first and third outcome have the same result (using AV doesn’t buy us an extra kill btw, I’m not sure where that idea came from?), except third option doesn’t have the downside of the first.


(I’m ignoring the “try to kill mafia on the ship” options for now)

Wait, do scum also get an NK if the ship antiviruses a non-virus? I think that would make it not even a question.

[BunnyGo]

Let’s game it out shall we

14 alive

We use the AV and I get NKed, 12 alive, 7 town/5 mafia

We try to use the AV and one scum on the ship outs to stop it, I get NKed and one town dies to virus shot, 12 alive, 6 town/5 mafia/1 virus, we have a tied vote for the outed mafia and the virus, even if we win the vote it goes to 11 alive (6/4/1), two NKs make it 4/4/1, and virus/mafia win

We kill bunny today to go to 13, I get NKed and it goes to 12 alive, 7 town/5 mafia


So first and third outcome have the same result (using AV doesn’t buy us an extra kill btw, I’m not sure where that idea came from?), except third option doesn’t have the downside of the first.


(I’m ignoring the “try to kill mafia on the ship” options for now)

Wait, do scum also get an NK if the ship antiviruses a non-virus? I think that would make it not even a question.

Yes. If ship shoots anyone but me with the antiviral gun, scum get a second NK for a night.

[Nanook]

Let’s game it out shall we

14 alive

We use the AV and I get NKed, 12 alive, 7 town/5 mafia

We try to use the AV and one scum on the ship outs to stop it, I get NKed and one town dies to virus shot, 12 alive, 6 town/5 mafia/1 virus, we have a tied vote for the outed mafia and the virus, even if we win the vote it goes to 11 alive (6/4/1), two NKs make it 4/4/1, and virus/mafia win

We kill bunny today to go to 13, I get NKed and it goes to 12 alive, 7 town/5 mafia


So first and third outcome have the same result (using AV doesn’t buy us an extra kill btw, I’m not sure where that idea came from?), except third option doesn’t have the downside of the first.


(I’m ignoring the “try to kill mafia on the ship” options for now)

Wait, do scum also get an NK if the ship antiviruses a non-virus? I think that would make it not even a question.

If ship AVs non virus scum get an extra NK, yeah

[ghug]

Yeah ok we 100% have to kill bunny.

Let's not hammer so that people have to post and Bunny has the opportunity to post with helpful thanks before ascending.

[goldfinger0303]

Idk if I can rn tbh

It just uh

It pushes the pro-scum agenda, yeah? I don’t know how to quantify it and my head hurts too much to figure out how to lol

But yeah basically I think it was pushing a pro scum agenda in a way that scum who isn’t in the ship but is in a PT with bunny


Or it’s just bad town

Idk him well enough to distinguish between the two with confidence

Okay, so let's work this through, Nanook.

It pushes a pro scum agenda (your words, I personally disagree) in a way that scum who isn't in the ship but is in a QT with Bunny.

First - if I was scum and there was another scum on the ship, I would already know the truth. There would be no reason to try and obfuscate who the real virus is. Scum would not advocate for a daykill that could potentially hit one of them when the alternative is a free NK.

Second - I sent that before QTs went out. I told you I hadn't received it yet and GM confirmed. So how would I have time to arrange something with Bunny in a separate QT if I was scum and the QTs weren't even out yet?

That’s the thing though, QTs were out

Also like...you were pushing for me specifically to die, and if you were scum you’d know I was town to....I don’t understand point one.

GM confirmed they weren't though, Nanook. Wrong QT was sent and then deleted. You want to fight the GM's word, take it up with them, but I had no PM when I logged on. Why in the fuck would I make that post if I knew you were on the ship?

Also, laying out options =/= pushing for you to die. Bunny's done that a thousand times this game and nobody has characterized that as pushing for someone to die.

[Foxcastle]

I'm not going to let BunnyGo win just because. ##VOTE NO-KILL

[Nanook]

Okay, so let's work this through, Nanook.

It pushes a pro scum agenda (your words, I personally disagree) in a way that scum who isn't in the ship but is in a QT with Bunny.

First - if I was scum and there was another scum on the ship, I would already know the truth. There would be no reason to try and obfuscate who the real virus is. Scum would not advocate for a daykill that could potentially hit one of them when the alternative is a free NK.

Second - I sent that before QTs went out. I told you I hadn't received it yet and GM confirmed. So how would I have time to arrange something with Bunny in a separate QT if I was scum and the QTs weren't even out yet?

That’s the thing though, QTs were out

Also like...you were pushing for me specifically to die, and if you were scum you’d know I was town to....I don’t understand point one.

GM confirmed they weren't though, Nanook. Wrong QT was sent and then deleted. You want to fight the GM's word, take it up with them, but I had no PM when I logged on. Why in the fuck would I make that post if I knew you were on the ship?

Also, laying out options =/= pushing for you to die. Bunny's done that a thousand times this game and nobody has characterized that as pushing for someone to die.

No uh

YOU didn’t have the ship QT

I did

So it works on the assumption that you had access to your scum chat (I don’t see why you wouldn’t) but not the ship QT.

[Nanook]

I'm not going to let BunnyGo win just because. ##VOTE NO-KILL

If you’re town you really really really need to pay attention to the reasons people like myself and ghug have laid out for why we’re getting rid of bunny

[ghug]

I'm not going to let BunnyGo win just because. ##VOTE NO-KILL

This is so forced

[ghug]

Hi Bing [Bot]

[BismarckAlive]

##vote Hellenic Riot

I can see ghug is not gaining traction. So then I have to town!read:

EMC
Tom Bombadil
Ghug
Nanook

With 9 dead, we have 14 now. BunnyGo being the Virus and if HR is scum (which I have thought and said so in the thread before) then daykilling HR leaves 4 scum in the other 8, which will be 50% chance of hitting scum D5 daykill. Higher percentage when we do detail analysis on the HR scum flip. And we don't waste a mislynch on the Virus.

Come on Town! Vote HR!

[BismarckAlive]

And, from the people voting BunnyGo right now, I would have to scum!read Jamiet.

[ghug]

##vote Hellenic Riot

I can see ghug is not gaining traction. So then I have to town!read:

EMC
Tom Bombadil
Ghug
Nanook

With 9 dead, we have 14 now. BunnyGo being the Virus and if HR is scum (which I have thought and said so in the thread before) then daykilling HR leaves 4 scum in the other 8, which will be 50% chance of hitting scum D5 daykill. Higher percentage when we do detail analysis on the HR scum flip. And we don't waste a mislynch on the Virus.

Come on Town! Vote HR!

Are you taunting us?
Have you read the thread?
Why does my not gaining trafficking make you townread me?

[ghug]

Traction*

I don't traffic shit.

[ghug]

Well not since I got detained at the Canadian border.

[Foxcastle]

I'm not going to let BunnyGo win just because. ##VOTE NO-KILL

If you’re town you really really really need to pay attention to the reasons people like myself and ghug have laid out for why we’re getting rid of bunny

No no, I got them. And I was wondering if there was a way to risk it until the anti-virus argument was made. Killing Bunny is the only safe thing to do. But I don't have to go along with it.

[Foxcastle]

I'm not going to let BunnyGo win just because. ##VOTE NO-KILL

This is so forced

I changed my mind. ##VOTE GHUG

[ghug]

I'm not going to let BunnyGo win just because. ##VOTE NO-KILL

This is so forced

I changed my mind. ##VOTE GHUG

Jamie's reaction is organic. Yours is bullshit.

[ghug]

Hi BismarckAlive

[Foxcastle]

This is so forced

I changed my mind. ##VOTE GHUG

Jamie's reaction is organic. Yours is bullshit.

This isn’t my reaction